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Again...let the chips fall where they may.
1 posted on 10/05/2008 2:06:07 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 10/05/2008 2:06:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Please sir, may I have another!")
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To: rabscuttle385

You'd be nuts to oppose this!
3 posted on 10/05/2008 2:10:07 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: rabscuttle385

This must be a parody? Surely tax and spend socialism has not betrayed these blue states and left them begging for loans? Say it ain’t so.


4 posted on 10/05/2008 2:10:45 AM PDT by WildcatClan (The world is full of fatheads; so I invented Diet Shampoo)
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To: rabscuttle385

MA, then CA. Who’s next, MD?


5 posted on 10/05/2008 2:12:41 AM PDT by MDformerDem
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To: rabscuttle385

Another Blue State goes belly up?

Which State is Barney Fag from?

No Money.

Make them sell land to the fed for nuclear waste.


6 posted on 10/05/2008 2:13:00 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' Barney Frank 9-10-03)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hmm, first California asks to be bailed out. Now Massachusetts. The two most liberal states in the nation. Broke and now grubbing for other people’s money to pay their bills. Think people will make the connection? Should be obvious, but I’m not hopeful.


8 posted on 10/05/2008 2:15:09 AM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: rabscuttle385

NO MORE FORIEGN AID!


9 posted on 10/05/2008 2:19:44 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: rabscuttle385

Blame Bush time again.....gimme a loan......

Of course the Democrats need cover in Massachusetts when they bring in option two: RAISE TAXES.

Here in PA our own Democrat governor Ed Rendell is dropping hints of a gas tax hike.

One GOP state rep. in my area said a few days ago that tax increases are coming in PA.

They passed a budget with a billion dollar hole last summer and now they say its two to three billion.

Our gambling money is dedicated to limiting school property tax increases with band aid drops of money.

The gig is up for liberal tax and spend policy and now is the time to ride like Paul Revere.

“Higher taxes are coming....higher taxes are coming...”


11 posted on 10/05/2008 2:20:12 AM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Massachusetts has a Rainy Day Fund of 2.5 Billion dollars and the state treasurer is looking for a low interest loan to cover a 223 million dollar shortfall! To my corrupt state politicians .... it is raining.


14 posted on 10/05/2008 2:41:05 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: rabscuttle385

It is good for the banks to be in line first for the government handouts, before the treasury runs dry. Printing more money will just lead to hyper-inflation. And if that happens, hang on! You best get your house in order now.


18 posted on 10/05/2008 3:24:15 AM PDT by rawhide
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The state administrators are asserting that the problem is caused by a lack of access to short term debt.

I believe that they are correct in their assessment. They are most certainly having problems accessing short term debt.

But what they cite as the problem - is really an excuse.

The problem is incompetent fiscal policy - pure and simple.


19 posted on 10/05/2008 3:30:29 AM PDT by palomonte (see the light or feel the heat)
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As heavily as they tax their residents, Massachusetts STILL needs a bailout???? Of course, their answer will be HIGHER taxes, instead of realizing that if they LOWER taxes, it will bring business in to their state, increase employment, and increase revenue by making the pie larger. No, they would never, ever do that.


22 posted on 10/05/2008 3:44:58 AM PDT by Purrcival (Palin runs Alaska. Obama runs his mouth.)
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Massachusetts and California? Why don’t these liberal havens just raise taxes to meet expenses? But, they don’t have much to worry about with Kennedy, Frank and Pelosi in their corner.


23 posted on 10/05/2008 3:46:50 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: rabscuttle385

Soooo,
What happens when the federal govt. loans say Calif. or Mass. a passel of money and the state defaults on the loan?
Does uncle sam just write it off?
You all just keep overspending on all those liberal social programs you damned politicians.


25 posted on 10/05/2008 3:53:00 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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Governor Patrick could easily negotiate an outright gift of the necessary funds from Moscow, in exchange for which the Russians would make only a few merely nominal demands, such as, e.g., a Russian naval base in Boston Harbor. There aren’t many Massachusetts residents who would object to that.


28 posted on 10/05/2008 3:56:29 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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Can centralize planning and funding by the ruling class in Washington, DC soon take over all satellite states in this newly formed Western Socialist States of the Americas?


Be proud little proletariat's, and work hard for your mother, the State, or you won't get your pudding.

29 posted on 10/05/2008 3:56:30 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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Blue state economics work so well, let’s do it on a national level! Yeah!

Dayum....


30 posted on 10/05/2008 3:59:19 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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Mass is in the MESS they are in because of it’s corrupt LIBERAL government and politicians and liberal tax and spend policies. They have been pooping in their own bed for years. Now that they have reached the point where they can not tax their people any higher and the masses are leaving the state in droves they expect you and me to come to the rescue with our precious tax dollars. NOT ON YOUR LIFE! YOU MADE THE MESS, YOU CHOSE CADILAC PATRICK, NOW CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OUT OF OUR POCKETS!


31 posted on 10/05/2008 4:06:05 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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Massachusetts Politicians have done so damn much damage in the past 50 years. They have been about as destructive as it's possible to be. America would be a better place if we placed Massachusetts on probation for 50 years. They could not vote in National Elections for this amount of time until they returned to being a responsible entity. Massachusetts needs to live within its means like MOST of the other states. I get sick to my stomach when I hear about MA or CA asking for Federal help. Who is going to give that help? Pathetic. Let Massachusetts rot for all I care.
36 posted on 10/05/2008 4:21:14 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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Is this the line for the government shoveling money out the door? I brought my dump truck.

Free money, this is great!


37 posted on 10/05/2008 4:23:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Should we turn Alaska or Texas into our Galt's Gulch?)
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The NYT’s has plenty of money, borrow it from them. Tee Hee Gufaw Gufaw


39 posted on 10/05/2008 4:36:20 AM PDT by Waco ( G00d bye 0'bomber)
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California, now Massachusetts, the line is going to get pretty long.


40 posted on 10/05/2008 4:39:57 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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The Massachusetts state treasurer has asked the federal government about lending the state money under the same favorable terms given to banks and investment firms during the financial crisis.

To be fair, Mass state treasurer, is not asking for a bail out, as you title implies, he is asking for credit terms from Uncle Sammy that are much better than terms he will get in the private sector.

Credit terns have moved up dramatically as of late, (I wonder why !)

Is he irresponsible to ask? Probably not as to try and save the state money.

Congress started this mess by being the "white Knight" saving the day by loaning cheap money, they need to fix it before every entity asks for the same great terms

43 posted on 10/05/2008 5:00:18 AM PDT by Popman (Don’t worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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Or they could ask all the Democrat thieves to turn in the millions they already bilked from the US taxpayers during the Big Dig. Those billions should get them over the hump.
The US taxpayers owe absolutely nothing to MA.


51 posted on 10/05/2008 6:02:46 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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Sell the “Scaramouche!!!”


52 posted on 10/05/2008 6:03:49 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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..lending the state money under the same favorable terms given to banks and investment firms

Those terms would require MA to post Treasuries or high quality commercial paper as collateral in order to borrow from the Fed. The article isn't clear what, if anything Mr. Cahill is proposing Massachusetts post for collateral.

If MA had those collateral items, they should easily be able to arrange a short term loan through a bank at a small premium to the Fed rate. Since they can't get credit at a reasonable rate, it's fair to assume they don't have the collateral. Therefore, any loan they got from the Fed would not be under the 'same favorable terms given to banks and investment firms.'

MA problem with tight credit markets is the same as CA's. Those with money to lend have learned it isn't a good business practice to loan it to those who might not be able to pay it back.
60 posted on 10/05/2008 6:53:41 AM PDT by javachip
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Why in the world would the federal government loan money to such an incompetently run and corrupt state as Massachusetts? So Mass can continue to pay for the Third Harbor Tunnel Mess?; So they can insist on having high paid police officers work as glorified flagmen at construction sites?; So they can continue to subsidize the education of students at State Schools who are getting four year degrees that qualify them to do nothing?


61 posted on 10/05/2008 7:05:45 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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Screw Massachushits the state that gave us Barney Frank.


70 posted on 10/05/2008 9:04:44 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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Facing Shortfall, Massachusetts Inquires About a Federal Loan [bailout alert]

Dear Uncle Sam,
Thanks to The Parliament of Wh-res (with apologies to working girls)
the floodgate has been opened to every incompetently-operated
entity in the USA (and some foreign ones as well).

After giving out $700 BILLION to some of "the smartest guys in
the room" on Wall Street...
and an additional $150 BILLION to average dimwits.....
...don't be shocked when you're BESIEGED with cries to print more
devalued dollars in order to keep all these WHINING BABIES happy.
71 posted on 10/05/2008 9:18:03 AM PDT by VOA
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74 posted on 10/06/2008 6:16:45 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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