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Russia To Stage Largest Air Force War Games Since Soviet Times
The Telegraph ^ | October 3, 2008 | By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow

Posted on 10/03/2008 7:43:20 PM PDT by Fennie

Their progress watched closely by increasingly jittery western militaries, dozens of nuclear bombers will take part in the exercise. Tu-95 Bear bombers will fire cruise missiles at targets in sub-Arctic Russia for the first time since 1984.

While Russia insists that the war games are not meant as a gesture of aggression, the West is growing increasingly uneasy about the scale of the manoeuvres.

The aerial exercises, which will take place close to American airspace in Alaska, are part of a month-long war game known as Stability 2008 that Russia claims is the biggest for 20 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; energy; geopolitics; iran; iraq; islam; israel; kgb; mahdi; nuclear; oil; proliferation; putin; russia; soviet; suntzu; wargames
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1 posted on 10/03/2008 7:43:21 PM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Need to buzz them with our latest aircraft … scare the crap out of them. ;-)


2 posted on 10/03/2008 7:45:29 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019

There are a *bunch* of former Russian Cryptolinguists who would love to get back into the game. Sign me up!


3 posted on 10/03/2008 7:47:41 PM PDT by tenger (If we don't stay on 'em, they're gonna get it wrong. Joe Soucheray)
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To: Fennie

Russia has Putin and we are in danger of getting Obama


4 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:02 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: doc1019
The aerial exercises, which will take place close to American airspace in Alaska,

Palin has more forien policy experice than Obama and Biden combined.

5 posted on 10/03/2008 7:49:20 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (No longer holding my nose to vote - McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: Fennie
"The aerial exercises, which will take place close to American airspace in Alaska..."

Obama will flex his national security threads by pointing out that the russians don't dare conduct these exercises near Illinois airspace.

6 posted on 10/03/2008 7:49:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: doc1019
The last near-Soviet display involved Chechnyan thugs driving what can best be called Somalian style "technicals" ~ that is, pick up trucks with machineguns mounted in the back.

This might b more interesting but I doubt it. Well, maybe they could sink another submarine filled to the brim with barbeque sauce and supersonic torpedos or something.

7 posted on 10/03/2008 7:50:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Inyo-Mono

No argument from me … ;-)


8 posted on 10/03/2008 7:52:32 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
I once saw a show ( I don't remember what channel it was.. could have been the Military Channel ) about our military tech... and one guy said that “ you see all the stuff that was on the movie star wars ? been there done that “ ..... and later in the show, they showed planes ( animation of course ) that when it crossed over into different territory.. the planes would change colors and become the same color of the terrain... it would be camouflaged with it's surroundings....
When this show aired... this guy said that we had currently 18 black projects going on at that time... this was about 3 or 4 years ago.
9 posted on 10/03/2008 7:53:24 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Fennie

Russia perceives America as weak. Partly because the alternative media do not have nearly as much influence overseas. Thus they underestimate America’s resolve.

And they are trying to jockey for superpower position to fill the power vacuum that CNN has tried to create.


10 posted on 10/03/2008 7:53:48 PM PDT by LongTimeMILurker
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To: Fennie

Sometimes I think the fall of the USSR was not such a good thing. At least they were contained. mMaybe I’m naive.


11 posted on 10/03/2008 7:57:03 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: Fennie

Russia is a regional power....nothing more......Putin looking to change the topic as he popularity dives along with the Russian Stock market....


12 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:03 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: LongTimeMILurker

Considering where the US is in fighter technology … “games” would be the correct operative word for these flight exercises by the Russians. ;-)


13 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:11 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: Fennie

I wonder how many Bears and Backfires we could bag if we didn’t play fair?


14 posted on 10/03/2008 7:59:31 PM PDT by stboz
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To: informavoracious
We could start a cold war with Canada.
15 posted on 10/03/2008 8:01:40 PM PDT by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: Fennie

bet the navy is happy they closed keflavik now.


16 posted on 10/03/2008 8:01:57 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: stboz

As many as they put up. And, as quickly as they put them up.
The timing of this is sorta weird though. I don’t think this would be helpful to the Magic One among independents.


17 posted on 10/03/2008 8:05:51 PM PDT by BIV (typical white person)
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To: Fennie

I am not into predictions about the future but hopefully this won’t contribute or be a part of the Web Bot prediction of an event worse that 9/11 on October 7, 2008.

Additionally, Putin in the King James Bible interpretations numerically equals 666 or the Anti-Christ.


18 posted on 10/03/2008 8:07:17 PM PDT by mbr
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To: BIV

Slammers to the max!


19 posted on 10/03/2008 8:08:10 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Fennie

“While Russia insists that the war games are not meant as a gesture of aggression, the West is growing increasingly uneasy about the scale of the manoeuvres.”

Considering the dismal performance of the Russian Air Force in Georgia, where they missed more targets with PGMs than they hit, they definitely need the practice.


20 posted on 10/03/2008 8:10:49 PM PDT by neutronsgalore (ROPERS DELENDA EST!!!)
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To: mbr

“Additionally, Putin in the King James Bible interpretations numerically equals 666 or the Anti-Christ”

His name would have to add up to that in Hebrew letters, or else it wouldn’t count (assuming that this is the correct understanding of the “666” passage anyway, which isn’t a given).

And Putin is hardly in the position to say “I am the savior of Israel”...


21 posted on 10/03/2008 8:11:43 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: tenger
There are a *bunch* of former Russian Cryptolinguists who would love to get back into the game. Sign me up!

I got out of the Army in '92. Two years later they sent me a letter asking me to come back. I think they'd take us with a foot half in the grave :)

The only problem is those language skills. Man, do I need to brush up on those!

One way I'm going to start is by watching the more amusing stuff on on Russian YouTube.

And in case you missed it, here is the link to an article the other day of a Russian LT who rapped his way to Siberia because he complained to the министр обороны about the crappy conditions in the Army. He did a great job with the rap so make sure you watch it.

22 posted on 10/03/2008 8:13:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: Fennie

We have any 22s in Alaska? This would be an excellent time to booger a few Rooskie aircraft and then just disappear.


23 posted on 10/03/2008 8:15:33 PM PDT by stboz
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To: DevSix
Russia is a regional power....nothing more......Putin looking to change the topic as he popularity dives along with the Russian Stock market....

You know, he can't be this stupid. His market isn't going to stage a comeback with this saber rattling. I think this is going to give him the opening he needs for further consolidating his grip over Russian society.

24 posted on 10/03/2008 8:17:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: doc1019

They might encroach; shoot some down; it’s good for them.


25 posted on 10/03/2008 8:24:53 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: stboz
We have any 22s in Alaska?
Any?

More to the point: how many?

Lets put it this-a way: A bunch.
26 posted on 10/03/2008 8:25:09 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Fichori

This could be entertaining if done well.


27 posted on 10/03/2008 8:26:31 PM PDT by stboz
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To: mathurine

Would be great training for both countries! ;-)


28 posted on 10/03/2008 8:26:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: Fennie

two wars, a nuclear Iran, a transition in N. Korea, a growing Chinese threat, and the return of the Russian Bear. A perfect time to elect a pacifist whose stated goal is to eliminate our military development programs.


29 posted on 10/03/2008 8:27:51 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: doc1019

Problem is, our latest aircraft buzz them without them noticing the buzz!


30 posted on 10/03/2008 8:29:29 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
His market isn't going to stage a comeback with this saber rattling.

Why do you think Putin cares a whit about the Moscow Stock Exchange?

Russia's income is derived from exporting natural resources, particularly gas and petroleum. How is that dependent on the stock market? The West will consume oil and gas, regardless.

31 posted on 10/03/2008 8:40:11 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Russian stupidity? Who would have guessed? Its only the Russians that think they aren’t stupid.
Putin has about as much real sense as his buddie amanutjob.
They are really going to “surprise” us with those Bears which are about as far from stealthy as you can get.
USSR being a real challenge to us back then was no different that the sham bailout.


32 posted on 10/03/2008 8:40:41 PM PDT by dusttoyou
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To: krb

ROFLMAO! Great point. Put on the “air brakes” for an instant, then disappear again. And/or take pictures and send then to puty pute in an album. ;-)


33 posted on 10/03/2008 8:42:02 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: Fennie

FRiends, this Putin is a dangerous lunatic.

Not that any of us are surprised.


34 posted on 10/03/2008 8:46:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Fennie

“The aerial exercises, which will take place close to American airspace in Alaska”

I guess Governor Palin had a point.


35 posted on 10/03/2008 8:50:04 PM PDT by dervish (bailout, on America, that's what the Senate and House just did.)
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To: Fennie

CRASH


36 posted on 10/03/2008 8:50:35 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (I think faster than I type, lousy proofreader, deal with it.)
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To: dusttoyou

He would sacrifice the Tu-95 crews as fake out. Also their cruise missiles could be used against targets in the classic stand-off. I’d have to look up the range of the AS-16 (think they’re still active) but that’s what they use against carriers.

Fortunately our SM-3’s are now deployed.


37 posted on 10/03/2008 8:57:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Fennie

oh yahh, take a look at our 40 year old technology!!!! We’re really going to impress the hell out of..............ourselves!!!!


38 posted on 10/03/2008 9:07:11 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Joe 6-pack

lol


39 posted on 10/03/2008 9:22:33 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

So, pretty cool that Sarah mentioned you last night. Maybe she was a freeper...;0)


40 posted on 10/03/2008 9:23:22 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

Mark Steyn wrote about me extensively today, too!


41 posted on 10/03/2008 9:26:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mbr

Can you explain that? I am not being smart, I would just like you know how you came to that conclusion about Putin. How did you interpret it to a number?

Thanks,
PTBAA


42 posted on 10/03/2008 9:27:06 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: uncbob

Reminds me of when McCain says he sees KGB when he looks into Putins eyes.


43 posted on 10/03/2008 9:27:46 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: mbr

Additionally, Putin in the King James Bible interpretations numerically equals 666 or the Anti-Christ.
******

What the H*** are you talking about?

Are you drinking?


44 posted on 10/03/2008 9:29:31 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to get Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; there might be show trials in Feb09)
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To: CondorFlight

We were just talking about this on another thread...the Obama dress (barf) and someone said the antichrist is sometimes called The Assyrian, which (I figured) would be he would rise out of the rebuilt Babylon that is being worked on now.


45 posted on 10/03/2008 9:29:35 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: Fennie
The aerial exercises, which will take place close to American airspace in Alaska,

If I were a Republican strategist, which I'm not because we havent' hammered the blame for the Mae/Mac debacale home, I would be making real political hay over this. Like, they're not-flying-over-Illinois-or-Delaware-hay.

46 posted on 10/03/2008 9:33:38 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: CaptRon

I have a strange feeling they might fly over Illinois....pray that they don’t. I will be.


47 posted on 10/03/2008 9:36:38 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I have an uncle who once told me the same thing. He had been a lifer in the Air Force having been discharged from the Army Air Corp at the end of WWII "for the convenience of the Army" so he could become a member of the new Air Force.

With 11 months to go before retirement he was sent to Alaska for a year. Though he lives 300 miles from me we get together fairly often and he has said to me, "Ron, what you read in the spy novels isn't even close to what we really can do". And that was 20 years ago. He laughs at James Bond movies.

48 posted on 10/03/2008 9:40:37 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

I don’t feel the need to pray. We’re badder than we know.


49 posted on 10/03/2008 9:42:22 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Alter Kaker
Why do you think Putin cares a whit about the Moscow Stock Exchange?

Because it's one of the last symbols they have of showing the world they are for democracy and free trade.

Get rid of that and they can crank up the Soviet stock exchange.

50 posted on 10/03/2008 9:44:29 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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