Posted on 10/03/2008 12:05:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With current talk of possible ‘meltdown’ in the world economy, trillion-dollar bailouts and the like, I was reminded of a newsletter article I wrote some 18 years ago.1 This was at a time when a major Australian newspaper had issued a dramatic call for ‘the churches to “preach” ethics and morals to the embattled Australian business community”. Why? Because they clearly saw the link between declining morality and the then-deteriorating economic health of our country
Australia had been sinking into banana-republic-type foreign debt, then undergoing ‘the recession we had to have’.2 High-flying entrepreneurs who were public heroes in the 80s had been increasingly revealed as at best, irresponsible paper shufflers creating artificial debt bubbles, and at worst, corporate criminals whose schemes were done through loop-holes on the very edge of the law. They had severely damaged this country to the tune of many billions of dollars, for which all Australians were going to have to pay...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...
ping!
Creationism -- Centralized Design -- Socialism
Oh, for cryin’ out loud. There were financial panics and meltdowns long before evolution became mainstream science.
:::Rolls eyes::: Sounds like something a leftist would say.
“If anything, so-called Darwinian analogies applied to business could be better described as Lamarckian analogies, because they involve the transmission of characteristics acquired through an organism’s conscious efforts to adapt to its environment. While it is true that social cooperation may not be guided by a single designer, that is not because the process is driven by random variations but because it results from the intelligent choices of innumerable designers interacting with each other.”
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1163
Funny that -
historically it’s been evo-atheist ideologies that have undergirded collectivist governments.
The Judeo-Christian worldview inherently respects the value of the individual and the respect for private property - ie, capitalism.
The author never suggested otherwise. He is merely drawing a connection between evolution, the breakdown of morality, and economic deterioration.
And that is absurd. Y'all need to stop making evolution a bug-a-bear for every social ill. If you want to disagree with the scientific concepts associated with evolution, fine. I don't agree with every premise of the theory myself. But history has gone through cycles of morality and immorality long before Darwin hit the beach in the Galapagos. Look for the roots of such in the human heart and the dangers of the mob instead of in a scientific book.
Funny, I see plenty of flaming pinkos in various churches, who base their redistributionist viewpoints in the Gospels.
Smells like,.... the French Revolution?
There may be a verse here or there, that, when taken out of context, or extravagently extrapolated (like evolution), could be taken to justify collectivism,
but the basis of the Christian worldview is in the respect for and protection of private property, to be used (stewarded) for the Glory of God, at the choice of the person entrusted with it.
Hyperbole -- Ridiculous Conclusions -- steve-b
Aman! To paraphrase Mark Twain: "Only Adam ever saw any thing happen for the first time."
So then tell me how serfdom and landless peasantry, at the pleasure of the nobles that ruled them, was the state of most Christians for centuries?
I’m not sure how that relates to a violation of private property and I’m not going to indulge your need to snipe at religion.
Sorry that you hate God & Christianity so much.
Take it elsewhere.
So because I take issue with a broad, sweeping generalization of yours, I must hate Christianity. Gotcha.
Gee, I can't wonder why, other than the fact that the vast majority of people under feudal systems were forbidden the basic rights of property that we have. And the medieval church often buttressed the claims of the nobles to their rights of absolute control over peasants.
You see, I see that as a failing of man, not Christianity. However, one cannot sweepingly say that Christian principalities inherently support property rights and enterprise, because history shows otherwise.
Ah, but the French Revolution, like all revolutions, was made and guided by the beloruchki,the "white, smooth hands". Class envy-- in its endless variations-- is their trump card, and the flotsam and jetsam of society their willing tools.
“...And that is absurd. Y’all need to stop making evolution a bug-a-bear for every social ill. If you want to disagree with the scientific concepts associated with evolution, fine. I don’t agree with every premise of ...”
Ease up. He was making comparison.
You should hear my comparison/contrast with the Big Bang theory and the Genesis creation model. (Hint: Genesis wins and yes I have a science based degree!)
And it's inane, quite frankly. We had financial panics due to greed and dishonestly long before Darwin.
So tell me, what was Christian about them?
The Christian Church at the time buttressed the claims of nobles that God gave them the right to have absolute rule over the lives of the peasantry, for starters.
And back then people thought greed was bad and tried to stop being greedy, as opposed to the more evolved strategy of claiming victim hood embraced today. It's only a stretch if your mind is no longer capable of grasping the concept of right and wrong
So blame victimhood, not evolution.
It either is Science or it isn't.
My degree is in Cell and Molecular Biology. That is a Science degree not a “science based degree”.
What degrees do you consider “science based”?
Here is Madison weighing in on the subject....
“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”
Pres. James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 1785
Cardiopulmonary Physiology.
Is that “science based” enough to suit you?
As full disclosure, I am now in real estate due a severe hearing loss and 25 years of burnout.
I didn't know school offered degrees in “Cardiopulmonary Physiology”. Is that your specialty or your degree?
Specialty, B.S. degree
That would argue against being Christian, I should think.
James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 20 June 1785
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html
Thanks for the ping!
With even your shampoo these days “scientifically” cleaning your hair I wondered if perhaps it was some “social science” or “political science” degree, which of course have nothing to do with Science.
My degree is in Cell and Molecular Biology, and Cardiac signal transduction (heart failure)was my area of research.
“social science” or “political science” degree
Ha! I don’t consider that science. It is mostly speculation.
Trade talk and meaningless jargon is how I would summarize the intellectual endeavors of the Social ‘sciences’.
Off topic:
I am making my liberal friends go bonkers!
I’m telling them if Obama wins, I will quit working and collect Social Security along with my disabilty pay.
I’m begging them not quit their jobs because Obama is going to add 35,000,000 more non-tax paying citizens to the ‘economy’. He’s promising 95% will get a tax cuts. I tell them 30+% don’t pay taxes so how can 95% get a cut?
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
Ha! This is fun! They are going crazy trying to do the math. Math hell, it is 8th grade armithic
There are alot of cults out there...and I can’t imgine anyone in a bonafide Christian church in these parts that thinks Jesus was a community organizer, much less engage in class warfare.
But then again I don’t live in downtown Chicago where my pastor routinely screeches “GD America” ether.
evolution = godless liberalism/secular humanism = NEA socialized failed schools backed by lawsuits = class envy warfare = communism
creationism = Christian/conservative/capitalism = NON NEA run liberal school programming = freedom = parental choice
Pong.
Super fast ping!
Hehe...
I’m slow sometimes.
That’s 1 - 0. Who knew I had such talent?!? Move over Forrest, there’s a new kid in town!!!
Ok, now I’m confused!
Ping-pong...super fast ping (to your pong)...score = 1 - 0...hidden talent...move over Forrest (Gump)...etc, etc.
If you haven’t seen the movie Forrest Gump, seeing it would help!
I saw most of it a very long time ago.
Thanks for explaining ;)
BTW, your other thread ‘Are You Too Dumb to Understand Evolution?’ is up to 1932 posts.
I’m thinking it’ll hit 2000 before long.
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