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1 posted on 10/02/2008 10:23:32 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree
Remember, the Constitution first setup the VP as the person who came in 2nd in the presidential race. There was no intention for that person to be in the Executive branch.

The 3rd in line, in the Constitution is also in the Legislative branch: the Speaker of the House

2 posted on 10/02/2008 10:25:35 PM PDT by flyfree (Biden is no Palin and Obama is no McCain)
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To: flyfree

Someone ping Mark Levin ASAP


3 posted on 10/02/2008 10:26:36 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: flyfree

I haven’t studied too closely the rationale behind the VP being the president of the Senate. Was the intention for the second most popular man in the nation to act as a sort of Prime Minister to counterbalance the president?


4 posted on 10/02/2008 10:26:52 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: flyfree
Biden was making up a lot of things as he went along, and simply lying and making himself look foolish.. FOX (via Rove and others), Talk Radio, and the Internet will expose this but the MSM will ignore it.

I felt Sarah was constrained by her advisors and the campaign to be too much a cheerleader tonight and not allowed to just be herself and take the dems to task. Having said that, she certainly held her own with Biden and, much more importantly, she connected with the American people much much better than Biden.

That will be the key from tonight.

Biden bloviated all over the place and will be shown to have made glaring misrepresentations on McCain's record and his own.

But all of that pales in comparison to Sarah's ability, even when cheerleading for McCain, to connect with the American people in her style, in her wording, and in her demeanor.

Common Americans are naturally drawn to her. She speaks to them...speaks for them. All of the MSM attempts to the contrary, that is what she does and she McCain campaign needs to have her constalntly out in front of the people doing just that.


I'M VOTING FOR SARAH...AND SO ARE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE

5 posted on 10/02/2008 10:26:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: flyfree

Well, remember he did cheat his way through school, so he shouldn’t be expected to know these things.


6 posted on 10/02/2008 10:27:03 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: flyfree

Uh.... Joe Biden is always talking out his ass.


7 posted on 10/02/2008 10:27:54 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: flyfree

By the way, since when was Cheney “dangerous” for trying to influence the legislature? I can’t remember many scandals coming out of that. Mostly, he’s considered dangerous (by kooks) because he’s a war profiteer (Haliburton) and the secret president of the REAL United States. Can anyone fill me in on any evidence of his iron grip on the throat of the Senate?


9 posted on 10/02/2008 10:30:17 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: flyfree

I’d love to see her gavel in the Senate...

Senators, I’ve placed a copy of the Constitution on your desks & we’re going to go through line by line today.

I can dream, can’t I?


10 posted on 10/02/2008 10:30:46 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: flyfree
You can tell he has gotten complacent from years of shoveling Bravo Sierra to people who would not know Article I from an article of ladies wear .
12 posted on 10/02/2008 10:32:16 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: flyfree

The main job of a VP is play golf. ;-)


13 posted on 10/02/2008 10:32:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: flyfree

You present a good and cogent argument, that flew right over Biden’s toupee. Nevertheless, McCain’s camp should jump upon Biden’s limited understanding of the constitutional duties of the VP and his attack on Cheney.


14 posted on 10/02/2008 10:33:12 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: flyfree

Should we win this, I think VP Palin should insist on actively presiding over the Senate on a fairly regular basis, if only to annoy Senators Biden and Obama.


16 posted on 10/02/2008 10:33:44 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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To: flyfree
Well, Joe Biden did graduate in the bottom 1/5 of his class from the law school ranked 100th or so in the country, so we do need to defer to his loudly self-proclaimed expertise and intelligence.
17 posted on 10/02/2008 10:33:51 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: flyfree

As I posted in another thread, it’s not as if he teaches a course on the Constitution or something! /s


18 posted on 10/02/2008 10:33:59 PM PDT by VRWCtaz (Two Senator Lawyers verses a Senator Naval Aviator and a Governor Hockey Mom - You decide.)
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Considering that the vice president is the President of the Senate: it means that its role is legislative & not administrative - furthermore - the v p does not engage in much actual administrating.


21 posted on 10/02/2008 10:37:10 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: flyfree

As a Constitutional lawyer, Biden barely qualifies to opine on the content permissible to display on a bus stop bench. But then, as a U.S. Senator, he doesn’t have to really know the law...only how to pontificate about it. God help us...a commie radical and an old doofus. Dumb and Dumber seriously in the running for President and V.P. of the U.S. Why not a goat and a sheep...man o’ man, we need some serious help here!


22 posted on 10/02/2008 10:37:26 PM PDT by Stayfree (*************************************IF IT IS LEFT, IT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!)
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To: flyfree

And he’s been on the Judiciary Commmittee how long? And he served as its chairman for how many years ? And he has a say in who sits on the Supreme Court ?


25 posted on 10/02/2008 10:39:39 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: flyfree
Since Biden relishes in playing a major role in denying Judge Bork to the Supreme Court how about a little payback and we deny the brainiac Mr. Experience the vice-presidency!

A truly brilliant mind was rejected by the lesser cretins of the left!

37 posted on 10/02/2008 10:50:04 PM PDT by tflabo (:)
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To: flyfree
...the most dangerous Vice President we've had in American history

In my opinion, that would have been Henry Wallace.

38 posted on 10/02/2008 10:50:45 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: flyfree

That statement struck me as ridiculous and could only possibly appeal to the looney left of his base.

The ONLY person to whom Dick Cheney was remotely dangerous was the guy he accidentally shot!


42 posted on 10/02/2008 10:53:24 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Election 2008--It's all about the judges!!)
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To: flyfree

Support the President? You mean like Aaron Burr, who nearly stole the election from Jefferson, killed the former Secretary Of The Treasury, and fled south to start his own country?


48 posted on 10/02/2008 11:02:56 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Don't call us, Barry. We'll call you.)
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To: flyfree

Biden was “better in command of the facts” that he made up.


56 posted on 10/03/2008 12:26:37 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: flyfree

59 posted on 10/03/2008 1:21:40 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA YES: Prop 4 - Family notification. NO (Bonds): 1A, 3, 12. Vote McCain/Palin.)
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To: flyfree
Biden should know better, but he's Biden.........

Article I, Section 3, clearly states that when a Vice-President is presiding in the Senate, and there is no tie, then she has no vote. When the Vice-President is presiding in the Senate and there is a tie, she has a vote. A tie vote is not the only time a Vice-President presides in the Senate, according to the Constitution.

Article I, Section 3, also provides for a replacement for the Vice-President, during the times that the Vice-President is absent from the Senate (If you had a job, and they told you that whenever you wanted to take off, a temporary replacement would be provided, at no cost to you, what would you do, stay or go?), or, exercising the office of President of the United States (The President does not have to be dead in order for the Vice-President to do such. I am reminded of when Bush 41 was overseas and he gave Quayle the "Comm", and during that time there was an uprising in the Philippines. Leader of the Philippines, Aquino, asked U.S. for help, Quayle ordered air strikes, uprising thwarted.) As a side note, if I remember correctly, once when Bush 43 and Cheney were both out of the country, Condi Rice was given the "Comm".

Article II, section 1, clearly states that a Vice-President is assigned to the Executive, for the same length of time that a President is assigned to the Executive.

Amendment XII, clearly states that the President of the Senate (Vice-President) shall open all the certificates (electoral votes). Biden didn't seem to have a problem with a Vice-President doing this, when it was Vice-President Al Gore.

Amendment XX, Section 1, clearly states when a Vice-President's executive responsibility ends. The same amendment (Section 3) clearly states how a Vice-President assumes the Office of President should a President be dead at the fixed time to begin his term, AND, if a President shall not have been chosen before the start of his term (I guess it's possible that a McCain death, in a close race, at a weird time could possibly kick this one in), AND, if the President fails to qualify (Obama's birth certificate, perhaps).

Amendment XXV, Clearly states the cases - removal, death or resignation, whereas the Vice-President becomes President (Section 1). When the President declares in writing being unable to do the job (Section 3). When the Vice-President and a majority of "others" declare, in writing, that the President is unable to do the job (Section 4).

It would be a good idea for Biden to use his commute time to dust off his copy of the U.S. Constitution.........

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61 posted on 10/03/2008 4:42:25 AM PDT by AwesomePossum ("He who conceals a useful truth is equally guilty with the propagator of an injurious falsehood.")
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To: flyfree
Under the Constitution, the VP only has two things to do: break ties in the Senate and wait for the President to die.

That's what I always thought.

62 posted on 10/03/2008 4:58:12 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: flyfree

And it was done that way for a reason. The legislative branch, which is the representative branch, was to be the center of the government, not the executive branch. That was back when the Constitution was properly understood to create a governing framework for a Union of states, who each had their own executive, and their own prerogatives. Now we’re basically a giant megastate, where the president is governor, and all the states are mere counties. Hence the Senate in particular loses a lot of its original intent and character.


67 posted on 10/03/2008 6:28:00 AM PDT by Huck ("Lying rides upon debt's back." --Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: flyfree
Now, this wouldn't ordinarily be all that big of a deal, but Joe Biden is supposed to be Mr. Big Constitutional Lawyer who is going to cure all the excesses of Darth Cheney.

Actually it is a big deal - it isn't the fact it calls his credentials as "constitutional scholar" into question - it's the fact he doesn't even understand the Constitutional powers of the office he is seeking to be elected to!

73 posted on 10/03/2008 9:37:01 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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