Posted on 10/02/2008 7:31:55 PM PDT by Natural Law
Biden just failed the constitutional exam. He said the pwers of the vice president are defined in article 1 when in fact it is article 2. He further misrepresented the constitution because article 2 states the VP shall be president of the senate but will not have a vote unless there is a tie. The powers of the president of the senate are not otherwise limited or defined.
I’d prefer Biden have the less power the better.
I too thought this was weird since the legislaure is in Article 1 and the executive in article 2. But I double checked and article 1 does state the VP’s role as president in the senate so perhaps he was referring to that? Wouldnt surprise me though if he just screwed up ... he has never known or cared what the constitution really says
“I’d prefer Biden have the less power the better.”
I’m sure Obama is planning the same thing.
Biden’s interpretation of the Constitution is pretty weird. It’s not the same Constitution I’m familiar with.
my husband is an attorney and caught it right away. said biden
totally screwed it up. will anyone call him on it?
No, it’s in Article I. Article II is about the president, not the VP, though the VP is mentioned WRT impeachment .
Art. 1 Sec. 3
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States.
He is lucky this time
What? Did Biden study in an Obama Constitution class?
You know the same class where Obama thinks
1) He can alter the Presidential Seal (illegal under Title 18 U.S. Code Section 713 Paragraph (a)).
2) Obama doesn’t put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem as described in Title 36.
And, and what's so embarrasing is he was correcting Cheney at the time!lol what an asswipe.
haha its fascinating what law school will do to you (i am a law student and before law school I wouldn’t have even thought about it).... guess the socratic method has drilled it into both your husband and me
The powers of the President of the Senate are defined by Senate rules - I’m guessing the rules of the Senate would allow for the VP to be there as the presiding officer whenever they wanted to, and not just be there to break ties.
No, it’s in Article I. Article II is about the president, not the VP, though the VP is mentioned WRT impeachment.
So, your attorney husband is wrong. He could look it up.
Exactly...and that is just what my husband and I were saying.
I’d prefer Biden have the less power the better.Don't worry, if he's VP he will find that power for the VP in the Constitution that wasn't there the first time he looked.
Who needs a vote, unless there’s a tie to break?
You’d think of ALL people, Sen. Biden would realize that the VP presides over the senate, which is more than simply deciding a tie. Granted, president of the senate is nothing compared to Speaker of the House, but it’s still a significant position more than breaking ties.
I stand corrected on the article, but I am neither a lawyer nor a senator. I was correct on the duties and limitations, though
What other Constitutional powers does the VP have?
My husband and I had a similar thought --- he can spout it when he needs to, the rest of the time it just doesn't exist as written.
“You’d think of ALL people, Sen. Biden would realize that the VP presides over the senate, which is more than simply deciding a tie. Granted, president of the senate is nothing compared to Speaker of the House, but it’s still a significant position more than breaking ties.”
It sounded to me like Sarah has every intention of exercising all Senate functions she can. They need a watchdog.
My sense is that if you did a fact check on all of his statements (where he was throwing out “facts”) you would find that he was wrong or lying at least 75% of the time.
There are three branches of government: legislative, judicial and executive. I am thinking the vp is in the executive branch, no?
Constitutionally, the VP has the power to break ties and preside over the Senate. Of course the presiding is incredibly boring and the president of the Senate has no power compared to the Speaker of the House, but it IS a constitutional position the VP holds that is more than ‘ONLY ONLY ONLY breaking ties,’ as the good senator said.
Now, now, that’s just Joe being Biden.......
Biden also made reference to it being a constitutional right for people of same sex unions to be able to visit each other in the hospital, share their properties, etc. I was shaking my head......wondering if I heard that right??
yes but I think his role as president of the senate is included along with the senate in article one... as i posted above, it is article 1, section 3... anything else of the position would be in article 2
I was really hoping at first it would be a huge screwup by Biden but once I looked it up, i guess it wasn’t
I was particularly angry by his depiction of Bork... when will he stop trying to legitimize his politicization of the judicial selection process?
Nor mine. Mine has a 2nd Amendment, but old Hairplugs' copy skips from 1st to 3rd. In all his years in the Senate he has never seen an anti-2nd Amendment bill he didn't vote for.
wow good point... didn’t even think about the practicalities of pre-12th amendment days
True that. Two duties: preside over the Senate and break tie votes. I understand that changes to the Senate rules some years ago have made the first duty nearly powerless.
Biden didn’t screw up the Constitution as much as Barry Hussein Obama will!!!!!
The Democrats ALWAYS misquote the PREAMBLE... if they can’t get something THAT SIMPLE right... What makes you think they give a **** about the REST OF IT!
“be there as the presiding officer whenever they wanted to, and not just be there to break ties.”
Yes. If I remember correctly, John Adams (as VP under Washington) presided—in person—over the Senate every day it was in session.
well darn.
well darn.
LainyDee, I heard this too, was going to post it, but thought better of it, thought I might have been mistaken.
I thought what? I am no constitutional expert, but was appalled to hear that.
No big deal. I mean, it’s not like he’s a lawyer or anything...oh, wait a minute, yeah, he is...
Bet him he’s wrong. You’ll win.
;-)
I’ll bet “The Great One” (Mark Levin) will have these indexed for tomorrow’s broadcast!! 770 WABC in NYC area - it makes the ride home a pleasure — sometimes I look forward to traffic...
As much as Obama is an empty suit.....Biden is a "cheap" suit...and it shows. I've watched him over the years during hearings on a variety of issues. He reminds me of a sleazy nightclub act....with his speech, mannerisms and thought processes. He is a serious fake and liar.
Neither am I....but I played one in college to get through 2 semesters of Gov't. LOL. Biden is a dolt. He lies and twists.......representing exactly what we don't need to make progress in this country or getting away from "politics as usual".
Biden also made reference to it being a constitutional right for people of same sex unions to be able to visit each other in the hospital, share their properties, etc. I was shaking my head......wondering if I heard that right??
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I thought this was really his biggest screwup, not the bit about the duties of the president of the senate. When he said what you refer to I immediately looked at my wife in stunned amazement to see if she caught it. He was making up constitutional references that don’t exist.
Joe makes a career out of making stuff up as he goes along....
But the MSM will instead ridicule Palin for mispronouncing a name.
“There are three branches of government: legislative, judicial and executive. I am thinking the vp is in the executive branch, no?”
The VP is as much a part of the executive branch as the president will allow him to be. The truth is, vps have no official executive duties outside of assuming office upon the president’s incapacity. What gives Cheney credence and what makes Biden look like a hair-splitter is the fact that the vp’s only constitutional authority while the president is alive and well is legislative in nature.
By the way, have we reached the point where Bden can call the outgoing vp “dangerous” without anyone batting an eyelash? In my opinion, that was outrageous.
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