Skip to comments.Obama campaign cracks down on misleading TV ads
Posted on 09/27/2008 1:36:34 AM PDT by GeeMoney
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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Just FYI for others - not trying to be snarky!
How about if the Obama campaign cracks down on misleading debate performances, meaning his.
Dissent vill not be tolerated!!!!!!!
Truth squad, death squad....what’s in a name?
First Ammendment, anyone?
By the way, why are libel and slander illegal? I mean, what am I harming when I slander Obama? His reputation? Obama’s reputation is not his property. What gives him claim on ideas in other people’s heads? (That’s my libertarian rant for the day.)
BARACK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM bumper sticker - will that land you in jail in Missouri?
Further down the first page is a special bumper sticker I put together (selling at cost for single orders) for Missourians (or others) who wish to put it on their cars, and fight this issue... For more info. and to see the bumper sticker; click on the the link below and it will bring you to my post on DFU's thread.
Since when do libertarians not believe in libel and slander laws? Have things changed that much since I left the LP 6 years ago?
What if it is the Obama Campaign that is lying?
how about this......
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A MARXIST MUSLIM!!!
there I said it!!! you gonna put me in jail???
I dare you!!!
The DNC is turning into a sub-cult of Scientology.
I should’ve added: There’s a difference between THINKING something and saying something with malicious intent (libel), or publishing lies with malicioius intent (slander).
Now, in this particular case, in looking at the actual laws on the books in Missouri, Obama has no grounds to do this - and a VERY tough time even suing for libel or slander as a public figure running for election... :-)
Also, there are laws that this may violate in regards to elected and appointed state officials and officers of the court acting as an official part of an electoral campaign, but that’s separate from these speech issues anyway (well, for the most part they are).
That’s what I was saying throughout the debate last night every time he lied...
Someone needs to call the Missouri Truth Squad on Obama because his lies were broadcast on EVERY station in the entire STATE last night! ;)
Even though it’s clearly a naked attempt at intimidation, when you watch the story, it’s really about a bunch of Democrat prosecutors and sheriffs who will go on TV to “tell the truth” about the Messiah. Shame on the POS Democrat-run station for treating this as if it were a legit news story. This should be grist for the FOX news mill, and I think that there will be a backlash in Missouri, especially with Obama ads like the “Limbaugh and McCain are anti-Hispanic Racists” running. Sounds like some St. Louis area station.
So Obama is pulling out of the campaign in Missouri?
Libel and slander are lies told with malicious intent. You do believe that one has a right to protection from those who would do one harm, don’t you?
“Since when do libertarians not believe in libel and slander laws? Have things changed that much since I left the LP 6 years ago?”
I’m not a member of the party, so I have no idea what they belive in, except in broad strokes. But I remember reading the jist of what I said in a Lysander Spooner book, I think. Or maybe it was someone else. Anyway, it makes sense to me. On a theoretical level, how can you own other people’s thoughts? On a practical level, how can you make sure the public only believes things about a person that are true? If you want to combat vicious lies, I say fight fire with fire, not fire with lawsuits.
“You do believe that one has a right to protection from those who would do one harm, dont you?”
Not legal protection. Fight lies with the truth!
It’s very true about not being able to own another’s thoughts. However, damage to reputation through libel and/or slander can lead to real-world damages (especially dealing with businesses, careers, etc...).
But, anyway, we could probably debate this all night, and I don’t think either of us really want to hijack this thread too far! :-)
EXCELLENT GRAPHIC! And, SO true!
Just Words.... (as Obama Axelrod would say) ;-)
“I shouldve added: Theres a difference between THINKING something and saying something with malicious intent (libel), or publishing lies with malicioius intent (slander).”
No need to add that. Libel and slander are malicious because they harm something, namely the victim’s reputation. It is my contention that our reputations do not belong to us because they are no more than thoughts in other people’s heads. If someone harms your reputation, I say you slap them with your glove and challenge him to pistols at dawn (or flame him in an internet chatroom at dawn). Leave the courts out of it.
Okay, you posted your truce suggestion before I got to my reply. I’d just like to add that plenty of things can lead to real world damages without being against the law (what’s next, rumors and gossip?)
The thing is that there are laws against elected officials, and officers of the court actively campaigning. I’m not familiar with Missouri’s laws directly related to this, but seeing as these people’s secretaries will be the ones collecting the information for McCullough I would say that it most likely DEFINITELY violates whatever laws they have on the books.
(Usually the law indicates that you CANNOT work as part of a campaign during the time you are normally at work in your capacity as an employee or elected official of the state - you may do it on your OWN time, but NOT using state resources.)
LOL... No problem. :) It’s a fascinating subject though. I’d love to discuss this another time...
I cannot believe that there are legally trained American's willing to behave like the GESTAPO. This is intolerable!
You know, I hadn't thought it through that far, but you're absolutely right. Political activity while drawing a salary from the people's taxes must be illegal as hell. Somebody from the Missouri GOP ought to be all over this. And here I was only looking at the ethical side of the matter. Good catch!
Anyone who notices that Obama’s campaign is not completely truthful can reach Jennifer Joyce at:
1114 Market St.
Mel Carnahan Building
St. Louis, MO 63101
Telephone: (314) 622-4941
Facsimile: (314) 622-3369
I am sure that Jenny wants the Obama Campaign to live up to the high standard that she is imposing on the other Campaigns.
I had the beginnings of that idea earlier tonight, and in re-posting some of the information on this thread it occurred to me that DougFromUpland’s phone call, and the comments of McCullough’s secretary to him is PROOF that they are conducting these campaign related activities while on the clock, and using resources paid for by the taxpayers.
Yep, illegal as hell. I would hope some people would be preparing recall petitions tomorrow morning and/or filing something with the state on Monday!
...FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC ENEMIES...........nuff said
Thank you for posting that... I wrote her earlier tonight, but may write her again as I’ve thought of a few things that are even more important, and damning against these people than just the ethical side of things...
IMHO, It would be ESPECIALLY helpful if Missouri residents would remind her that conducting these OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN activities while acting as an officer of the court, and during BUSINESS HOURS while she is paid by the taxpayers, and is using State Property (paid for by taxpayers) is illegal... (I would have to go look it up, but everywhere I’ve ever lived there are strict conditions regarding campaign activities conducted by state employees and elected officials during the regular business day - especially while at work).
You got that right, but equally disturbing to me is that any television that broadcasts over the public airwaves would tacitly endorse this kind of behavior. Then again, St. Louis (or "little Chicago with an inferiority complex", as I liked to think of it the two years I lived there) is the city where a Democrat can always find a "judge" to hold the polls open, if the Party needs the votes.
ROFL @ “Little Chicago with an inferiority complex”. My Grandmother (may she rest in peace) would’ve laughed so hard at that! (She was born and raised in Canton, MO and moved to Illinois during the depression as a young bride).
I didn’t realize that St. Louis was that bad regarding Dem politics, but I guess it shouldn’t surprise me. I grew up in the Chicago suburbs, so I’m very familiar with how things work there! (Another reason why Obama scares me... I KNOW how corrupt one needs to be to make it in Chicago politics).
Like your site and good work on the debate...I fell to sleep before it started, the drone of the TeeVee pundittos is better than rain on a tin roof for putting one asleep.
This morning I watched parts of the debate and IMO Obama was really, really bad, he looked like a petulent teen, full of himself and very jealous of McCain. MsCain on the other hand, ignored the ‘teenager ‘ and that really got BO’s goat!
McCain won big and I think it was obvious who is best able to lead.
I’m filing a request for records under the Missouri Sunshine Law. If you need a template for your letter you can visit the Missouri Attorney General’s website http://ago.mo.gov/Open-Government.htm
"Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining something called the "Barak Obama Truth Squad". Two high profile prosecutors are part of the team and we met them this afternoon in the central west end...They are Jennifer Joyce from the City and Bob McCullough the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney. They will be REMINDING VOTERS THAT BARAK OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN WHO WANTS TO CUT TAXES FOR ANYONE MAKING LESS THAN $250,000 PER YEAR....THEY ALSO SAY THEY PLAN TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY TO ANY ADS OR STATEMENTS THAT VIOLATE MISSOURI ETHICS LAWS....
Jennifer Joyce said: We want to keep this campaign focused on issues.... we don't want missouri voters distracted by these divisive character attacks,so we are here to respond to any character attacks and to set the record straight.
Bob McCullough said: Whether it is directly attributable to the campaign or one of the soft money operations, if they're not going to tell the truth then somebody's got to step up and say "That's not true... THIS IS THE TRUTH"
The Obama campagin tells us that other prosecutors and sheriffs are part of the team including some from the Kansas City area and from Rural parts of the state and that the Truth squad is expected to include Jefferson County Sheriff Glen Boyer...."
If Missouri Sheriffs and Prosecutors are going to censor websites, editorials, election campaigns and the news - who is to say it can't spread like kudzu to your city or state.? BTW, Since Obama was never baptised and Reverend Wright is/was a Muslim too - are they Christians?
Who defines who is or isn't a christian? And can my county sheriff order me to cease and desist my republican campaign website that contains videos from Youtube? or news feeds from GOP and conservative sources? How did the Obama campaign get Missouri Legal system to become their censors? Obama likes to clear the field of all competition so these two items ( being a non christian and tax increases/decreases for the under$250k crowd) must be hot topics in focus group discussions
Who can stop the government from supporting Obama? This is identical to the government support of those who oppose the anti-muslim crowd action in Germany last week. The police lined up with the promuslim liberals and destroyed a demonstration against the largest mosque to be ever built in Europe. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2090887/posts
You must not be from Missouri - it's not 'just democrats' its pressure to keep your job and pressure to conform to the propaganda lies or face a job loss. The government is populated with democrats who know they are right to suck the lifeblood out of the population. This is only a test - it will be coming to your city too soon if we don't act now and scream from every window...
This is a good reason to repeal/ignore all the antigun laws out there.
I dare them force me to shut up and volunteer me for his serious f@g farces and corrupt pedophile acts.
That being said, I’ll hold my self amnestizing fire for now... you know, free houses bailouts and identity theft of illegals. I too can self amnestize like those cops and prosecutors dare try.
Let me see how this revolution and strife they provoke is gona go, all the way to the cross... As a believer, nay, I’ll wait for the right amnesty and the right punishment at the same time... nice and definite and multifaceted bidirectional.
This is my voice, my community and my integrity and my gun.
This is a response to the Sarah Palin dare, guns and all. It’s to intimidate the GOP and the right.
Why do you think AIG is insolvant and scandalous calls for amnesties and bail outs are going on? Why this provocation for revolt and prosecuting the right?
They are trying to foment a mess. Barak and his illegal sbirs should be thrown in jail. Very bad idea Obambi. The b@st@rd child knows also Russia’s posting nukes in Bahamas and Venezuela and is ready to betray it all to save his own neck. Watch the muslim f@g do his tard job.
You forget that the left defines what the truth is, and redefines it when necessary.
I’m not a lawyer, but I believe libel and slander are civil matters, not criminal.
A sheriff or prosecutor should not be involved. St. Louis County should be absorbed into Illinois. We should split more of KC with Kansas so the liberals can be absorbed by more real people. Missouri would go Pubbie every time.
They are clowns. I will not vote for any person that disrespects the United States of America.
I believe you are correct and that’s just one more reason why this is so incredibly wrong...
Interesting thoughts on annexing St. Louis into Illinois! It would be nice to have a solid Conservative majority in the state I’d bet. :)
Thank you so much for the compliment on my site. I really appreciate it. :)
I was reviewing parts of the debate again this morning, and you are so right... At one point Obama kept looking at McCain, and using his name, and McCain was busy writing notes, and seemingly ignoring him completely. And you are right, it REALLY did not make Obama happy. I didn’t realize last night how much that particular thing got to him. Obama was trying to anger McCain, and get him to engage in a verbal argument vs. a debate. McCain was too smart to let him do that... And, every time that did almost happen, McCain was quick to slam Obama (especially during the Kissinger exchange(s). Reviewing it, as I said, makes this all the more apparent!
All in all I think it was a very good debate, and I think McCain did very well. :)
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