Posted on 09/23/2008 1:40:26 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
AURORA, Colo. (AP) - A Colorado fifth-grader says he's been suspended from school for wearing a homemade T-shirt that said "Obama is a terrorist's best friend."
Daxx Dalton and his father, Dann Dalton, say his First Amendment rights were violated.
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::sniff::
Any guesses as to when the aclu will come to his aid? /s
If the shirt had said McCain he would never had been suspended. The Liberal goons do run our schools.
Dad probably knew too that this would happen.
If he wants to make a statement he should do so himself, not put a 5th grader in the middle of it.
WAAAaaa!
Image of the offending T-Shirt at the link.
I wouldn’t have a problem with the school trying to avoid political controversy with a neutral rule banning political paraphrenalia in general, but I suspect, cynically perhaps, that the school’s problem with his shirt was that it didn’t support the right candidate. Colleges, and school’s which are strongly influenced by the NEA, afirmatively promote leftist politics while censoring dissenting viewpoints.
If the T shirt said “Bush lied” or “Buck Fush”, he would be made class president...
LOL, here, take my hankie.
This thread will be interesting to watch. I believe in the first amendment. It seems to me that if you allow this sort of thing in the fifth grade, pretty soon you have all sorts of shirts saying all sorts of extremely vile things.
Is it a good thing to escalate this type of thing to this level in the fifth grade?
On the one hand, it would open the eyes of kids to all sorts of issues they might not otherwise be aware of. It would also cause them to be floating in a sea of extreme accusations which are hard enough even for adults to sort out, and at a time when they would be years away from voting.
I’m not a big fan of activist shirts in the fifth grade.
I’m sure the teachers think it’s just fine to indoctrinate these kids into the globalist green and sexual preditor’s world though.
This is bullcrap..
A 5th grader?? Come on? The only thing he knows about terrorists is what he gets from his Dad. I would bet that this is a case of a child being used by a parent to make a poltical point or worse.
Conservative and religious children have it tough enough in the Government schools without people doing this sort of thing.
Or, maybe schools are for learning, not politicking.
Just sayin’.
But, who the hell names their kid Daxx?
A Deep Space Nine “Trekkie”.
C’mon now, our candidate for VP has chosen interesting names for her children.
Exactly. Thank you.
The article does not say that the school has a dress code, but dress codes have been upheld by the courts many times for this very reason.
The public have an interest in students behaving and dressing in a manner that is least likely to cause disruption to the learning environment.
I can't fault the administration for short-circuiting that.
I wish we had a pic of dad, as my guess is that he looks every bit the ahole that he acts like. The sentiment belongs to dad, as 5th graders rarely have an independent set of political beliefs. So either dad told him what to write, or he wrote what he heard dad say. And genius father allowed him to wear it to school, perhaps thinking it was funny.
Thank God that most of us were not raised by parents who were so weak and powerless that they needed to live through us, their children.
Father of the year not in the cards for this particular doofus.
I have four kids in public school. I also subbed and taught.
You wouldn’t believe the “socialist education” that these kids are getting from the “book publishers” integrating socialist causes in the books.
For example: integrating subjects. Math and English. Doing Math Problems using writing skills. Word Problems.
My kids pointed out the stuff to me, then I scanned the books.
Math: question about how many acres of the rainforest are being destroyed by first-world countries (for the US and Europe) on a yearly basis depriving the Earth and the native populations of natural resources, blah blah.
These types of questions go on and on. In the history books, history is being rewritten.
This is the chicken or the egg question: Who and What is driving the curriculum, book publishers, NEA, or both?
I 100 percent agree with you.
U N E S C O
Most people don’t know that the United Nation’s develops a lot of education materials for the United States, and the Department of Education and the NEA incorporate it into their teaching materials.
It may go to the publishers directly, but the DOE and NEA are signing off on it lock stock and barrel. Such a policy would have been signed off on at some point.
We should defund as much of this as we possibly can.
The federal education system should be pulverized, with local communities setting up their own private schooling. I would recommend incorporation. That way, if a union comes in and tries to take over the system, the corporation can be folded, another brought in and new people hired that will work outside of a union shop.
It’s time to play hardball with the education system.
Local community individuals should be getting their hands on these books, and denying them entry into their schools.
The fifth grader at Aurora Frontier K-8 School wore it on a day when students were asked to wear red, white and blue to show their patriotism.
There is a time and a place for everything. This was not the day to be making political statements.
The school was trying to teach a lesson about patriotism. That there are some times when we can put our political and personal differences aside and show our support for America.
What this kid did was in the same league as bring a "protest sign" to a rally honoring our troops, or wearing an "Impeach Bush" shirt to a 4th of July parade.
There is a time and place for everything, this was not the right time or place.
There is a time and place for everything, this was not the right time or place.
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Where does it say in our federal First Amendment that we have a right to free speech and press **except** when not the right time and place ( as determined by government employees)?
Just wondering.
Even if school districts were as small as a suburban subdivision, these government schools would be First Amendment and freedom of conscience abominations.
One group of powerful neighbors does not have the right to force other neighbors to fund their pet religious, cultural, and political worldview.
One group of politically powerful neighbors does **not** have the First Amendment right to force other people's children into government indoctrination camps and then order these parents and children to shut up, forbid free press, trash free assembly, and forbid free expression of religious belief for most of the time the children are incarcerated in these “schools”.
Also...since it is axiomatic that no education is religiously neutral, one group of neighbors does not have the right to incarcerate other people's children in government indoctrination camps and subject them to a non-neutral government religious worldview.
There really is only one solution: Begin the process of completely separating school and state.
While I didn’t go into the mechanisms of what I had in mind, I am all for eliminating the taxation related to education. Let those dollars be kept in the local community, and let those schools stand on their own without federal or state involvement.
Let them be bare bones schools where only the basics are taught, and let the parents fill in the blanks.
That should eliminate most of the problems you mentioned.
Get rid of the propagandist indoctrination now. Get rid of the gay and lesbian directives. Quit trying to push globalist and eco psychotic dogma down our kids throats.
I think most community people would object to this nonsense on a local basis, with hands on.
I refuse to accept that there aren’t still some solid reading, history, math, English, and other books out there, that we could do an end run with to eliminate the UNESCO and socialist goal oriented missions.
Does that help?
While it would be an improvement over what we have now, it still would **not** solve the First Amendment and freedom of conscience conflicts.
One group of powerful neighbors does not have the First Amendment right to incarcerate another neighbor's child using the threat of government police action. ( even if they do call it school.) ( And...even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
One group of powerful neighbors does **not** have the right to use the threat of police action to imprison another neighbor's child to shut up. ( Even if they do call it a school.) ( And...even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
One group of powerful neighbors does **not** have the First Amendment right to forbid free speech, free assembly, and free exercise of religion even if it is called a “school” ( really an indoctrination camp.)( And...even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
Finally, it is **IMPOSSIBLE** to have a religiously neutral school. All schools are either godless or God-centered. Godless schools are **not** religiously neutral. Instead they teach children that their religion, scriptures, and teachings of their church leaders are irrelevant to everything they are learning about our culture and all the moral and ethical problems that arise within the teaching about that culture. Godless schools teach children that religion is somehow shameful and must be hidden as if it were a bathroom activity.
Yet....Imprisoning children ( under threat of police action) in an environment where they are subjected to the religious teachings of the most politically powerful is equally abominable! ( even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
Threatening taxpayers to pay for this government school First Amendment and freedom of conscience monstrosity is also an abomination. ( even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
ALL of the above is true even if govenrment school districts were the size of a suburban subdivision. ( or...even if the district were no larger than 50 households.)
What is needed is **complete** separation of **school*** and state! I honest believe that if our Founding Fathers could have foreseen the monster of our government schools and how they crush freedom of conscience they would have included freedom from government education in our Bill of Rights. ( I seriously mean it!)
Thats just idiotic.
Shocked I haven’t gotten in trouble for wearing my McCain/Palin button and my anit-Obama political cartoons on all my notebooks.
Wow, thats so stupid.
What you seem to be advocating is to do away with anything other than home schooling, or perhaps a coop with like minded families. Is that your premise?
Yep!
agree, it will be hard, the NEA is so entrenched.
One of my friends didn’t want to join and basically the teachers are forced to.
liberals will do anything to scare or threaten people into not opposing them. Stand up to these libs every chance you get!
JoMa
What you seem to be advocating is to do away with anything other than home schooling, or perhaps a coop with like minded families.
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I attended Cardinal Dougherty High School in Philadelphia. There were 3,000 students. Does that sound like a “coop” to you? There was plenty of diversity in that school with children from families from every corner of the globe.
Are you determined to have one group of neighbors incarcerate children that are not their own, and indoctrinate them in the worldview of the most politically powerful?
That is was government schooling is, even if the district were as small as a suburban housing development.
What is needed is complete separation of school and state. Begin the process of privatizing now.
Really? Armed thugs came to their door held a gun to their heads and **forced** them to work and pay NEA dues? Really?
Sorry! I doubt that happened. The **truth** is that these teachers are willing to uphold, abet, and assist in the hurting of children, and they **willing** do it for a **paycheck***!
Thank you. I appreciate your comments. For some reason we don’t seem to be communicating well. By giving me an example I think you have helped me understand what you’re desiring. Take care.
See an article listing the “Tog Restrictions” from The Denver Post at: http://www.denverpost.com/mobile/ci_10541233
See a photo of the father, son, and offending t-shirt at: http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2114007
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