Skip to comments.Pakistan Did Not Give Permission For Latest Missile Strike
Posted on 09/23/2008 10:27:58 AM PDT by swarthyguy
why is it so hard to get any straight information out of the Americans and Pakistanis? Turns out Pakistanis did not give permission for the latest strike in South Waziristan which killed six insurgents and destroyed a container load worth of arms/ammunition. By saying the strike developed as a result of Pakistan-US information sharing, US was implying - to our mind, at least - that all was on the up and proper. Moreover, Pakistan intelligence sources said they had been notified of the strike. But now it turns out the Pakistan government was not in the loop, and the Pakistani intel lot are refusing to say if the information was received after the strike.
So if the Americans and the Pakistanis want to play games till the cows come home, we at Orbat.com say: "please be our guests". All we are saying is: (a) isn't it time the US dropped the fiction it and Pakistan are on the same side in this particular war; (b) who does the US think it is fooling by pretending its unilateral strikes - which we feel are justified - are collaborative operations; (c) we trust the US has fully thought out the effect of its unilateral strikes on the Pakistani people? They are already in a very ugly mood and its going to get worse the more strikes take place; (d) we trust the US is not confusing Pakistani intelligence - which BTW is a sworn enemy of the Americans - is the same thing as the Pakistan government.
In reality, what Pakistan intelligence and the military say goes, no one gives a hoot about the Pakistan Government. But US cannot have it both ways: pretending it has the cooperation of the government and the people, when all it has is the cooperation of Pakistani intel double-gamers who are helping to kill American troops in Afghanistan with one hand, while with the other hand they accept handsome payments courtesy of the US taxpayers to help the Americans.
Orbat.com warns the US Government: one day the full story of Pakistani intelligence's double deals and how US has gone along with the double-dealing is going to come out. The US people are not going to be happy. Heads are going to roll, careers and reputations will end, and US intelligence plus US military will be discredited in the eyes of its own people.
You cannot knowingly deal with a double-gamer who delivers one insurgent to you while helping other insurgents kill 10 Americans/NATO/Afghans, and then come before the American people and say your hands are clean. And that too, the insurgent is one who threatens Pakistani intel/military control of the insurgent groups, i.e., the one person who actually honestly believes in his cause, however inimical the cause may be to US security.
This is getting to the point Americans are as morally and legally guilty of causing American/Allied deaths as America's sworn enemies.
Also BTW: whoever embarks on an investigation of this sordid game can save themselves much time by not coming to the Editor to ask/demand what information he has. He will say he has pretended to be in the know to inflate his own ego, and he knows nothing. It is not his job to do the Americans' job.
And last BTW: Please no one say that the Editor is basing his allegations on what he is told by the Indians. Such very few Indians in positions of authority as may still know who the Editor share one characteristic with the Editor: both despise the other as traitors to India and have nothing but complete contempt for the other. So don't insult the Editor by saying these are rumors the Indians are planting.
And that's a GOOD thing.
That is the prime reason the strike was a success....
“Turns out Pakistanis did not give permission for the latest strike in South Waziristan which killed six insurgents and destroyed a container load worth of arms/ammunition. “
Target. Match. Fire.
Nicely done. The Paks should be sending thank you notes instead of complaints.
Touchy, touchy, aren’t we.
Sorry, I get it, no alternative views or analysis allowed.
After all, this is a discussion board.
No discussion allowed, LOL!
Got any more pearls of wisdom there?
“Pakistan Did Not Give Permission for Latest Missile Strike”
They didn’t???? Oops.
Well, my question would be, why didn't the Paki's take them out? And furthermore, if they didn't want to, or couldn't, why didn't they give us permission to do it? Sounds like plausibe deniability, to me. How come the media can nuance things for foreign nations, but not the U.S.?
The PAki gov't soesn't have sovereignty of Islamabad, much less the border areas.
That’s what I enjoy about FR sometimes, but only sometimes.
The reasoned, intelligent response.
Hit a nerve, didn’t he.
You can either ignore them, orbat 'em over the head.
But I still stand fully by my comment who gives a blank what information Orbat.com thinks or wishes it was entitled to.
Since when did international diplomacy or war ever require governments to openly say what they are planning or doing?
Does Orbat believe in the Tooth Fairy?
The Pakis idn’t give their permission?
Or didn’t even know it was going on?
Either way, p on ‘em.
Thats a GOOD THING.
Who knew or said what? Who gives a rats ass?
I agree with his comment on the press...
A bigger bunch of half-wit, half-educated people is hard to find..
We periodically slam the American press for its imbecility, so we are overjoyed to find the Euro press can match the Americans fair and square in this respect.
Thanks, though this guy is based in DC and has had many past runins and disagreements with the Indians, as his last few lines state.
His comments on the press are rather acerbic and he’s been railing against US media war coverage for ages.
How valid his insights are is a matter of individual judgement, but I do check him out almost daily.
I would like to get an objective assesment of who they are before having an opinion.
I did notice that after all that "handwringing," they neither suggest what should be done to fix any perceived problem.
On the other hand they are no more entitled to classified information than my pet rat.
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