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First-Ever Non-stop, Biodiesel-Fueled Cross-Country Trip Kicks Off Today in NYC
www.pr.com ^ | 09/22/2008 | Nik Bristow and Brian Pierce PR

Posted on 09/22/2008 6:12:32 AM PDT by Red Badger

Nik Bristow and Brian Pierce with Fitzgerald+CO advertising raising nationalawareness for alternative fuels with the help of Willie Nelson’s BioWillie® Premium Biodiesel.

Atlanta, GA, September 22, 2008 --(PR.com)-- Nik Bristow and Brian Pierce, copywriters with Fitzgerald+CO in Atlanta, are two guys on a mission to change the way Americans view alternative fuels. At 10 p.m. EST tonight, they will depart from SoHo in New York City on “Willie Run ‘08”, the first-ever non-stop, cross-country trek powered entirely by Willie Nelson’s own BioWillie® biodiesel.

“I know the trip sounds crazy, but it’s more important now than ever,” said Bristow. “We’re on the cusp of a very important election where oil and energy are universal top concerns, and biodiesel is one of the cleaner, more viable fuel alternatives out there. We need to get the word out.”

While working their “day jobs” at Fitzgerald+CO, Bristow and Pierce linked their passions of advertising, promotion and biodiesel when they encountered the BioWillie® brand with which they ultimately developed an informal pro bono relationship. This work led to the design of what they call an “outlaw” grass roots approach for creating awareness for alternative fuels.

“We’ve had a lot of people asking why we’re doing this. Well, not only are Nik and I are longtime biodiesel supporters, but we are also communicators by trade. We’re lucky to be affiliated with Fitzgerald+CO, where we’re connected with a large group of enlightened, innovative folks who have made this run a reality. It’s good to be able to put your skills to work for something you personally believe in,” said Pierce.

Bristow and Pierce will follow the route of the infamous Cannonball Run and anticipate arriving on Wednesday morning in Los Angeles. They won’t stop for fuel. They won’t stop to go to the bathroom. In fact, excluding driver changes, they won’t stop for anything for almost 3000 miles. However, rather than race from NYC to LA the fastest (a typical “Cannonball Run” route), they are trying to travel on the least amount of gallons of fuel to prove the effectiveness of alternative fuels.

The “Willie Run” is sponsored by Power Service Products, which manufactures a complete line of diesel fuel additives. Diesel is different – and when it comes to diesel, the pennies spent on additive returns more performance for the dollar. For more information about the run and other sponsorship opportunities, please visit www.willierun.com.

About Fitzgerald+CO Celebrating its 25th anniversary in 2008, Fitzgerald+CO (www.fitzco.com) is one of the leading brand-building agencies in the Southeast, with over $200 million in billings. Part of the Interpublic Group of Companies (NYSE: IPG), the global agency specializes in advertising, media, brand development and public relations. Fitzgerald+CO’s client partners include AFLAC, Amway, Black&Decker, Coca-Cola USA, Durex, Georgia Power, Havertys, InterContinental Hotels, Pergo, QUIKRETE, Raymond James, St. Joe, Time Warner Cable and UPS.

About Power Service Products Power Service Products’ headquarters and 26-acre manufacturing facility are located in Weatherford, Texas. The company began in 1956 in a small one-car garage, but has grown into one of the industry’s greatest success stories. The company’s research laboratory is a recognized leader in the development of a complete line of proprietary formulated diesel fuel additives. The products are available at truck stops and automotive retailers nationwide. For more information about Power Service, call 1-800-643-9089 or visit the company’s Web site at www.powerservice.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: auto; diesel; energy; fuel; transportation
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Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....

If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST just FReepmail me.....

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....

1 posted on 09/22/2008 6:12:33 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; sausageseller; ...

BioWillie KnOcK!......On the road again...........


2 posted on 09/22/2008 6:13:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger

3000 mi @ 100 mpg requires 30 gallons. The Jetta in the picture doesn’t have a stock 30 gallon tank. The website appears to be mute on just how large they have made the “tank”.


3 posted on 09/22/2008 6:24:41 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (PUMA))
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To: Paladin2

Following close behind........

4 posted on 09/22/2008 6:27:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger

One thing though: what vehicle will they use? Will it be a 2009 Volkswagen Jetta with its new 50-state legal turbodiesel engine fitted with fuel tanks to carry 40 US gallons of biodiesel fuel? My guess is that someone driving a stock 2009 Jetta turbodiesel sedan could drive from New York City to Santa Monica, CA with only five fillups.


5 posted on 09/22/2008 6:28:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88; Paladin2

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/09/willie-run-on-t.html

2006 Jetta TDI with a “extra large tank”..........


6 posted on 09/22/2008 6:42:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger
I converted our 91 8-cyl Oldsmobile station wagon Custom Cruiser with 95500 miles on the odometer to include 4 HHO generators powered by the cars 12-volts battery, distilled water and a little of BS (Baking Soda)!

Before installation = 225-250 miles per gas tank!!

After installation we are getting 350-365 miles per tank. See www.waterbeatsgasprice.com!!!

7 posted on 09/22/2008 7:05:53 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

Sounds like a whole lotta BS to me........Not Baking Soda, either.............


8 posted on 09/22/2008 7:07:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger
“I know the trip sounds crazy, but it’s more important now than ever,”

Aaaaa, no, it's just crazy. A pointless publicity stunt. It's just like when Virgin Airlines ran one of their jets on coconut oil. One plane, one engine, from London to Paris, using the oil from 150,000 coconuts. Just another meaningless stunt.

9 posted on 09/22/2008 7:22:37 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sara Palin: Americas' last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Red Badger
Sounds like a whole lotta BS to me........Not Baking Soda, either.............

Good for you, pal!

It cost me less than $400, including having my mechanic do the installation. The website tells you how to build it yourself for under $20 per unit!!

100+ extra miles @ $4,00 gallon, is quite a savings, me laughing all the way to the bank, and at the same time contribute to LESS carbon emission to the atmosphere and no pinging sounds either. As you are still laughing more, maybe you really should check out their website that gives you the techie information you need before saying BS. Have a great day!!!

10 posted on 09/22/2008 7:33:15 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco; Abathar; thackney

Until you can provide scientific evidence and not just your word that the said devices “work” as advertised I will remain skeptical. The 2nd law of thermodynamics will not be trifled with.............


11 posted on 09/22/2008 7:37:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger

Default Willie Run ‘08 (mystery revealed)
My name is Nik Bristow and I’m one of the drivers in Willie Run ‘08. Though my status still says “newbie” I’ve been a member here for two and a half years and have likely spent hundreds of hours reading these forums. I love the TDI club and have learned a lot from you folks. Thank you.

First off, let me say that yes, I was the guy on here about a year ago asking what the best suspension set-up was for carrying a lot of fuel. And yes, this was the reason. Cats out of the bag. And kudos to whoever remembered that post.

Here’s the short of it. I love diesels. And I love biodiesel. And I was getting sick of people squawking about hybrids that got fewer miles to the gallon than my now decade-old A3. So, about a year ago I came up with the idea for the Willie Run.

The idea is to drive a 2006 Jetta TDI coast-to-coast on B100 biodiesel without stopping for fuel. Yes, this means that you have to carry your fuel with you and refill on the road. No, this is not cheating. Why? Well, because I made up the rules.

Why are we doing this? The aforementioned frustration with diesels not getting enough exposure is the main one. I know that argument is sure to find an audience here. Second, to put a stop to some of the biofuel bashing that’s been going on in the media the last year. Biodiesel, as most of us know, is not ethanol. And though soy-based biodiesel is not without its drawbacks, it’s hard to argue that ethanol can even hold a candle to it when it comes to bang for the gallon. And third, we just wanted to do something that made MPGs kinda cool. I mean, let’s face it. A Prius looks like a dust buster. That’s not cool. Driving coast-to-coast, peeing in condom catheters and not stopping for fuel? I guess that’s kinda cool.

Or how about giving a 1971 Ferrari Daytona a decent run for it’s money 37 later in a Volkswagen. That’s definitely cool.

For those of you not up on your Cannonball Run lore. The original Cannonball Run was won by a 1971 Ferrari Daytona I believe. It took Brock Yates and Dan Gurney 35 hours and 54 minutes to go from Midtown Manhattan to Redondo Beach, CA. But they used a whole bunch of gasoline in the process and therefore had to stop a whole bunch. Stops add up. So much so that the second place team, a bunch of goofballs called the Polish Racing Drivers of America came in less than an hour later in a Chevy Van. They’d stayed close to the speed limit the whole trip and just carried drums of gasoline with them. If they’d pushed their speed just a tiny bit more they might’ve won.

That’s really how the idea was born. What if we set a new cross-country record? Not one of speed, but one of efficiency. But not hyper-miling, wrap-the-seams-of-the-car-in-tape-and-coast-down-the-hills efficiency. American style efficiency—where you can still cruise at real-life highway speeds and do it with more MPGs and less pollution.

If we get lucky and get close to the Ferrari’s time, great. But that’s not the goal. We’re establishing a brand new cross-country record. And we sincerely hope it’s beaten next year. That’s right, we’re planning Willie Run ‘09. But more on that later.

And for the record, though we weren’t originally inspired by the Car and Driver guys in Non-stop Jetta Act II, we have read that article over and over again, borrowing from its wisdom and laughing our asses off at its wit. If you haven’t read that article do a search for it here. It is laugh out loud funny. Seriously. Check it out.

So, I’m a TDI club member. Have been for several years. I love these forums. I love the guys who have helped me even though they may not have known they helped me. In one weekend this site saved me several grand in repairs when I fixed my “broken computer” with a 3-inch piece of ECM hose and found my “blown head gasket” with a leaky heater hose. I can’t count the number of problems this site has helped me fix. I’m very grateful.

If you’d like to become a sponsor of Willie One, and we’d love to have you be one, visit our website, willierun.com where for $5 we’ll put your name on the car and for $25 we’ll put your name on the car and give you the official Willie Run ‘08 t-shirt. Which, in my humble opinion, is the dopest/flyest shirt you can currently find with a Jetta TDI and butterflies on it. Guaranteed.

If you’ve got any questions, obviously you can post them here and I’ll try to check back often. Or you can PM me. Or you can email us at info@willierun.com

Thanks TDIers. Hopefully this stunt gets a little more attention for the cars we all know and love and the fuel we all know and some of us love.

Nik Bristow
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12 posted on 09/22/2008 7:37:18 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (PUMA))
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To: Red Badger

In about 1989 my brother was running out of fuel in his VW Rabbit diesel. He couldnt’ find a station that was open with diesel, so he stopped at the grocery store and put in a couple of gallons of soybean oil.

He said it ran great, smelled like a popcorn popper and got 40mpg. Trouble was it was very expensive.


13 posted on 09/22/2008 7:45:23 AM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: All

I think this has been done before.

every time becomes the “first time”


14 posted on 09/22/2008 7:49:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SampleMan

we see your brother being creative,

the state and federal governments see the loss of THEIR tax money.

alternative fuel is a nightmare to the taxing authorities because they have to way to tax and control.


15 posted on 09/22/2008 8:01:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SampleMan
Trouble was it was very expensive.

And still is. One thing about veggie oils, they are NOT biodiesel. Your brother's 1989 vintage auto would run on straight vegetable oil (SVO) but today's diesel would not. The injectors of today's computerized, precisely metered diesel engines will not handle SVO because it's too thick.......

16 posted on 09/22/2008 8:01:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger
Unfortunately, that's an older Jetta with the 90 bhp TDI engine that uses the now-obselete Pump Deuse fuel injection technology. I'm surprised that VW didn't offer them a 2009 Jetta with its common-rail pressurized direct fuel injection engine rated at 140 bhp, because this would be one very good way to publicize the fuel economy of turbodiesel engines and how clean they are nowadays.
17 posted on 09/22/2008 8:15:58 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

The newer PIEZO-ELECTRIC FUEL INJECTORS don’t like biodiesel...............


18 posted on 09/22/2008 8:17:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger
However, it's not just any biodiesel fuel these guys are using. They're using biodiesel fuel from Willie Nelson's company, which have to meet much more stringent standards for fuel delivery system reliability, especially since even diesel engines used on tractor-trailer rigs are starting to switch to common-rail direct fuel injection to improve fuel economy.
19 posted on 09/22/2008 8:22:48 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

The problem is not the biodiesel’s purity or it’s formula, but it’s viscosity. It’s too viscous for the injectors. It has to be “thinned out” with, guess what? ethanol!............


20 posted on 09/22/2008 8:28:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: danamco

In 1965, my wife and I made a trip from Burbank to Las Vegas, while we were there the accelerator pump on the Rochester carburetor of my 1956 Olds 2-door quit squirting and I had no tools with me to fix it.

I told my wife that I’d take care of it when we got home. From that point on, driving was a new experience; the only way to keep from stalling leaving stops was to just gently depress the gas pedal until I got up to about 25 MPH and then use a light foot on out.

The morning we left I filled the tank in Vegas and started home.

We cruised through the desert at about 70 MPH for almost the whole way with only a few times needing to baby the throttle.

When we arrived in Burbank I refilled the tank and it only took 15 gallons.

20MPG, that thing never got over 12MPG before.

Sadly I fixed the carb - getting tired of little old ladies blowing their horns at me at stop lights.


21 posted on 09/22/2008 8:45:51 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger

If you could squeeze all the Hydrogen out of the water and get it to burn in sequence with the gas, you’d need about one gallon of water for every gallon of gas to get 2 pounds of H2 to theoretically replace 6.6 pounds of gas.

But the energy from your engine still has to be used to power the alternator to electrolyze the hydrogen.

That’s where the 2nd Law of td comes in.

Thes HHO thingies purport to do this with just a quart now and then of water/electrolyte mix.

BUSTED!


22 posted on 09/22/2008 8:51:55 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger

This abstract covers basic fuel requirements for many applications:

http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/MultipageDocumentPage____35313.aspx


23 posted on 09/22/2008 9:02:40 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger

David Blume says you can make alcohol with kelp, cattails or mesquite.

Alcohol Can Be a Gas!
http://permaculture.com

Biofuel for the Future (interview with David Blume, pdf)
http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/Sept08_Blume.pdf


24 posted on 09/22/2008 9:04:02 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: Red Badger

Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 ^ | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts


25 posted on 09/22/2008 9:09:07 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: Red Badger

Blends containing more than 5% ethanol cause MPG to go in the toilet while peak power goes down as well.

Don’t try this at home, fuel system components will be at great risk.


26 posted on 09/22/2008 9:28:29 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger
“I know the trip sounds crazy, but it’s more important now than ever,” said Bristow. “We’re on the cusp of a very important election where oil and energy are universal top concerns, and biodiesel is one of the cleaner, more viable fuel alternatives out there. We need to get the word out.”

"And since we support the far-left aganda, I remind you all that the US will burn 7 times the food needed to feed all of the starving people in the world in this year alone," Bristow added. /sarcasm

Isn't it ironic that the issues that the rest of the world dislikes most about the US come from the left.

27 posted on 09/22/2008 9:59:55 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Red Badger

“Not for gas, not for food, not for the bathroom.”

- Well, they will have empty cubies onboard.

note: 99 VW NB TDI with GreaseCar WVO conversion. I bet I can rig something up where I dont have to stop also, but on V100 not B100.


28 posted on 09/22/2008 11:06:18 AM PDT by trappedinnj (Missing Something)
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To: Red Badger
Until you can provide scientific evidence and not just your word that the said devices “work” as advertised I will remain skeptical. The 2nd law of thermodynamics will not be trifled with............

There is no need for me to persuade "one-minded" individuals with blindfolds on!

"Work" as advertised is a grass root website for education of skepticals like you where the saving evidence provided on a system that approx, is 100 years old!!

However, if you don't want to save dollar$ on your gas use and participate in a cleaner environment for the planet and especially for your own property, namely your car, that is sure your prerogative. For my own part, I am happy to experience an increase in mileage from previous 250 miles to 350 with an affordable investment of a very simple HHO system powered by water and baking soda (BS) and installed an adjustable Mapsenser Enhancer to the car's own Map Sensor. The system draws a meager load between 3 to 4 amps from the battery. Yet, all sceptically here, I am still increasing my mileage from 225-250 to 350+ from the information at www.waterbeatsgasprice!!!

So if you feel comfortable dole out $4 @ gallon to line oil company/government's pocket, please be my guest. I took another route by taking the matter in my own hands, and now I am very happy by putting some of these hard earned money in my OWN pocket, Hey just keep "trucking" on with skeptical views that will get you going ???

29 posted on 09/22/2008 12:56:09 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco
...and installed an adjustable Mapsenser Enhancer to the car's own Map Sensor.

Ahh, the truth finally comes out! They are fiddling with the car's pollution controls! Making the computer sense something other than what it's supposed to! They are leaning out the mixture to compensate for the other fuel source. Sure the CO2 goes down but the NOX goes up! A FEDERAL CRIME! You will report this to the EPA of course...................BTW, it also increases the wear and tear on your engine.......

30 posted on 09/22/2008 1:14:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: Red Badger

I’ll second that after two sets replaced in same number of years .........tried every which way I could to make such work in my cummins. The injectors failed pretty fast ......

One set failed on bio diesel purchased from the pumps in Santa Fe NM and other set failed on a local boys home brew with a freedom fuel still with WVO refined in his shop. All his ford and chevy vehicles run fine on the stuff. The piezo injectors in my 06 Cummins Dooooooge hate the stuff !


31 posted on 09/22/2008 3:46:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Red Badger
A FEDERAL CRIME! You will report this to the EPA of course...................BTW, it also increases the wear and tear on your engine.......

Really???

How stupid can you be, it is MY car, NOT the FED's. Yes, you bet it will be reported, at least you got that part right. Because they are even generous enough to give me $2,000 back per car, (and I have two of them) in tax credit for my effort!!

The original Map Sensor is being installed by the manufacturers (in the industry also called the Detroit SCAM) so that you only using 25% effectiveness of the gasoline to move the car forward, while the other 75% is heat, waste and garbage. That causes your car wearing out and "destroyed" before the warranty is up, and forcing naive customer to buy a NEW car with the same scam coughing up another 20-50 grand!!!

P.S. Again you are wrong, the ping disappears completely, my wife loves it, she says, WOW, what a difference no shaking, no ping noise, it feels like riding in jet plane. As a matter of fact, it kind of steam cleans the engine for the advance of longevity. You know, I am extremely happy with my savings of about $25 per tank at the pump per week. That is about $2,400+ a year plus I have noticed a significant less use of motor oil as well. Yes, I understand this is TOO simple a system for a fancy "Techie" to understand. However, you don't need to take my word for it, since some sharp minds have explained it all on their website www.waterbeatsgasprice. com Happy mileage, son.

32 posted on 09/22/2008 7:52:36 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

How much water and baking soda do you use between tanks of gas?


33 posted on 09/22/2008 7:59:07 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
How much water and baking soda do you use between tanks of gas?

The four units hold about 24 oz. distilled water and 1 tsp B.S. in each container. After two trips Miami-Tampa using less than 1-gallon distilled water (@ $1.25), and used 1/4 +- to top up after each trip. I would estimate less than 1 gallon water per 1000 miles!!!

34 posted on 09/22/2008 8:26:12 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

I don’t want to hear so much as a sigh out of you when you have burnt valves and a hole or two in your pistons. You can repair the engine with all that money you “saved”...............


35 posted on 09/23/2008 5:29:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: danamco

The math just doesn’t work. I cannot believe your claims. What you state is impossible.


36 posted on 09/23/2008 5:41:24 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: danamco
91 8-cyl Oldsmobile station wagon Custom Cruiser

Before installation = 225-250 miles per gas tank!!

After installation we are getting 350-365 miles per tank.

If you were only getting 10~11 mpg to start with, you had other problems that got fixed at the same time. Any car in desperate need of a tune up is going to see this type of improvement regardless of the other garbage you pile on it.

Try leaving out the water. You will find you still get the same improved mileage. No way it should have been that bad in a properly maintained 1991 Custom Cruiser, even if you had the 5.7 liter.

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1992-oldsmobile-custom-cruiser-6.htm

http://fueleconomydb.com/specs/1991/OLDSMOBILE/CUSTOM%2520CRUISER

37 posted on 09/23/2008 6:09:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
If you were only getting 10~11 mpg to start with, you had other problems that got fixed at the same time. Any car in desperate need of a tune up is going to see this type of improvement regardless of the other garbage you pile on it.

Fortunately, I am blessed with a REAL mechanic, who take care of our cars. Who is not just a part "replacementer," but knows how to repair cars and he is working with me on these projects!

Your math is wrong, from the gauge shows empty including warning on the dashboard dinging and reading "Low in fuel," I have never been able to squeesh more than 16.5 gallons into the tank. That meaning about 15.15 mpg even slight better than your posted city driving = 14 mpg. On the road is different story, because my wife brings half of the house stuff with her making the cargo load very heavy and not meeting the 23 mpg mark!!

This week we will go to Orlando for a family reunion and we will then go to Daytona Beach to meet with the guy from "Techfuel," who sells the part used, and we sure will have a blast showing him all the negative posts I have received from skeptical Freeper techies!!!

38 posted on 09/23/2008 8:29:04 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

A 1991 Custom Cruiser has a 22 gallon tank.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1991/oldsmobile/customcruiser/1812/specs.html


39 posted on 09/23/2008 8:31:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
The math just doesn’t work. I cannot believe your claims. What you state is impossible.

Travis, I take it as you are saying I am lying, but truly you don't need to take my words for it.

As I have said before, I found this information posted online at www.waterbeatsgasprice.com I bought the e-book and a totally whole new "world" on this issue was revealed that I did not know of before. It was very educational for me, as a skeptical doubting "Thomas"!!

You can try it out for yourself, and THEN come back with proofs of me being untruthful!!!

40 posted on 09/23/2008 8:40:28 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

I do not believe it. It cannot work as you claim, it’s impossible. I didn’t say you are a liar, I’m saying what you claim to be true is impossible. As others have said, there is something else at play here, like a tuneup. Did you replace spark plug wires, etc?


41 posted on 09/23/2008 8:59:56 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: thackney
1991 Custom Cruiser has a 22 gallon tank.

Yep, my manual says the same. I bought this car two years ago, but I have never been able to bunker it with more than max. 16.5 gallons with hundreds of fuel topping. My calculations are made from the fuel receipts received at the pump, pure and simple, the "22 gallon tank" is irrelevant in this equation!!!

42 posted on 09/23/2008 9:06:21 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Travis T. OJustice
I do not believe it. It cannot work as you claim, it’s impossible. I didn’t say you are a liar, I’m saying what you claim to be true is impossible. As others have said, there is something else at play here, like a tuneup. Did you replace spark plug wires, etc?

As President Reagan once said: "Here you go again...." LOL, see my post 38!!!

43 posted on 09/23/2008 9:19:08 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

You need to peddle your scam on a less informed audience.


44 posted on 09/23/2008 10:46:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: danamco

Does your mechanic have as poor an understanding of the laws of physics and thermodynamics as you and the other suckers who bought his snake oil?


45 posted on 09/23/2008 10:53:12 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: thackney
You need to peddle your scam on a less informed audience.

Your elitist and close mind blindfolding "superiority" views speaks for itself on this site. Actually you sounds like joe biden. Keep on trucking and I wish you happy mileage!!!

46 posted on 09/23/2008 11:11:23 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Are you a newcomer troll???


47 posted on 09/23/2008 11:14:20 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

I may be new to Free Republic, but I know what I’m talking about. You cannot make the same claim.

Btw, it’s generally not supportive of your side of the discussion to have to resort to personal insults. That’s a tactic most people outgrow by middle school.


48 posted on 09/23/2008 11:22:39 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: danamco
Your elitist and close mind blindfolding "superiority" views speaks for itself on this site.

So, having an understanding of the laws of physics and thermodynamics, which have yet to be broken by anyone at any time, make Thackney elite? I wouldn't say so, necessarily, but it certainly does indicate he is correct in his refutation of your clearly spurious claims.

What's with the personal attacks?

49 posted on 09/23/2008 11:26:48 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice; thackney; Red Badger
What's with the personal attacks?

Personal attacks???

I would suggest you take a look at yourself in a mirror!

If it is good enough for police cars, it certainly is good enough for our cars as well!!

Just for you armchairs keyboard techies, here are some interesting YouTube experiments, who are doing the real experiments to educate the doubting “Thomases” like you, instead of badmouthing the real deal.

Interesting it has spread to “Old Europe” as well, since their fuel prices are double compared to U.S.’s. Here is a “primitive” physic lesson from a “Lime Juicer” you should be able to understand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5yMgTkGrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbXLGIL_fc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvlyBhcAzo4

I have four of these babies in our 91 Olds Custom Cruiser, and they work perfectly, preventing extra gas money leaving my wallet!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRCnSQA37Zs

Just to prove you wrong, here is another funny experiment, before the pioneers got it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MlR0yjhMak

Maybe "Willie 08 Run" should have looked at this before heading out across country when it comes to diesel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fr7amsgv7I

Or:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaJEhrUFCZU

Finally, pop a beer for this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2S_blU1LQo

Just have a little fun with this, guys, and let not your hearts be troubled! However, the technology is improving day by day as we speak, because we share trial an errors with one another instead of criticizing, hello!!!

50 posted on 09/23/2008 5:05:34 PM PDT by danamco
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