Posted on 09/21/2008 10:21:42 AM PDT by kronos77
BELGRADE, Serbia: Serbian police say nationalists have attacked a gay gathering, injuring three people, including a U.S. citizen. Police official Slobodan Vukelic said Sunday that two attackers have been detained. Human rights groups say masked assailants targeted the so-called Queer Festival held Friday in a cultural center in downtown Belgrade. The groups report that an unidentified American citizen suffered a concussion and a broken arm. The statement adds that two female activists were also injured. The groups are demanding that Serbia's pro-Western government curb extremism to "show they are for democracy, rule of law and respect of human rights."
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Typical, extremists demanding protections and calling the rest of the world basically, the extremists. Perhaps if they stopped flaunting their extreme debauchery and depraved behavior in public, the "Pro-Western government" wouldn't need to protect their right to do so! People with a backbone, need to stand up against all this and label it what it is. Extreme indecency, which by the way, there are laws against. However, few have the backbone, and consequently, decency laws only apply to decent people.
Soro’s crew is off their game if they think the Gay Mafia is going to ram their agenda down the craw of western Europe and the US. The Easterners are not as nuanced in their response.
Homosexuals deserve equal protection from assault. The do not deserve special status, i.e. hate crime protection, but they certainly don’t deserve to be physically attacked.
If this was something like the Folsom Street Fair in S.F., the gays should have been rounded up on public indecency laws. The public has the right to set up and enforce standards of proper behavior in public.
It is possible to imagine a place that is for all those things, and against perversion.
Doesn't the "rule of law" also include the freedom to set their own social standards?
Unlike these activist groups, most people, even in the U.S., do not agree that perversion is a "human right."
I also find it humorous that the very same people who have jettisoned the concept of nationality (American? what's that?) insist of introducing the suggestion that "American", a resident of the U.S., and a citizen of the U.S. are interchangeable. They are not.
And then there are the AINOs... "Americans in name only"; claiming all rights and privileges, but accepting no obligations.
Isn't it wonderful?
I can safely say that most of us agree with that completely, but there is a huge difference between unprovoked attacks and invited, or provoked attacks calculated to create worldwide attention and victim status; in foreign countries.
IMO, prevention is worth a pound of cure. What these extremists, ie: indecency on parade, are doing is inciting violence. While normal folks are taught to respect other peoples boundaries, and that they are right to set their own, these folks invade those boundaries, and it isn't surprising that a few folks snap. It isn't right, but it is like yelling fire in a crowded place, and then claiming to have the right to, even though the one who yelled it falsely got trampled by the masses he put into panic mode. There are cause and effect rules in play, and consequences, however denied, for actions. Most people would never ever turn to attacking people. But we are not all that even tempered or rational.
If these people forcing these parades on an unwilling public, do not like repercussions, they should simply stop forcing them. Win win.
Completely regardless of what the gathering was about, if this American citizen was in a foreign country making trouble, I have no sympathy.
These are the people that make the rest of us look bad.
I’m discussing abortion in another thread, and it really comes down to the same thing. Immoral people have no limits. They don’t accept the wickedness of what they do, so they see no harm in practicing their wickedness in public. In fact, they would probably claim I’m the wicked one for wanted to restrain their evil.
In the past, our culture had the will to keep this and other evils down. Sure, evil people still did what they wanted, but they kept it private. This is as it should be, but we are now constantly told to be open and accepting of all manner of perversions.
We all know the line has to be drawn somewhere, but these folks rebel against all authority, including God’s. From my perspective, the rebellious are winning, and they always keep pushing the line further and further.
You know, I once had doubt about Bible prophecy on “Sodom and Gomorrah” in the end times. Now I know that’s exactly where we are heading. We could turn this around for a time, but I really doubt society has the will to do so.
Agreed. If they are citizens and they pay taxes, they deserve the same protection that the rest of us have.
And the great irony here is that just a few months ago, the Eurovision Song Contest -- the "gayest event in Europe" -- took place in Belgrade with no problems. In 2007, the Eurovision winner had been a Serbian Gypsy named Marija Serifovic, who "declined to state her sexual preferences" and was celebrated all over Serbia for her 2007 win, in spite of the fact that she and her public performance had rather obviously Lesbian leanings. The song she sang was called, "The Prayer", and musically it was really good.
And in a further twist of irony, Marija Serifovic openly and publicly supported the radical Right, and that almost cost her the "Eurovision Intercultural Ambassadorship" that the Eurovison Board had granted her. So, according to the Eurocrats, you can't be gay, a patriot and "acceptable to the EU". Isn't that a "surprise"?
I have a few good friends who are gay, and both of them have said that they may be gay but that they also find a lot of the ostentatious "rubbing the public's nose in their gayness" to be obnoxious and counter-productive. It only irritates the non-gay public -- and like many of us, they think that "sex belongs in the bedroom" and not on TV in front of children.
“Homosexuals deserve equal protection from assault.”
“Agreed. If they are citizens and they pay taxes, they deserve the same protection that the rest of us have.”
Refreshing posts as opposed to the Talibanesque remarks by plenty of others on this thread. Since when does being gay authorize being beaten?
A kindergarten level statement if I ever heard one.
Going to a foreign country to bait and provoke others into beating you to claim victim status and get world-wide publicity is another matter altogether.
Extreme activism has its price, and the foofers are unwilling to pay it.
What do the governors, senators, mayors, legislators, etc. of our area, as well as the large corporations, do about this abomination? They heartily support it, and in many cases compete to sponsor it!!!!
What did I do about this event? I stayed out of the city altogether during the whole week, until Saturday evening (i.e., the evening of the day of the event, and well after it was over). Then I treked into the city. and attended Orthodox Vespers at a cathedral church (not my own parish). The next day, I attended Divine Liturgy at the same cathedral, and received Holy Communion.
I would not have felt right about going into the city, for business or pleasure, without symbolically cleansing the city by doing the above things.
We have got to stop prostrating before the "gays", and the horrible "human rightser" globalist operatives like Soros who stand behind them, and use them to degrade our our culture, as well as the cultures of many other countries. I sympathize totally with those cities (e.g., Belgrade, Moscow, Warsaw, Jerusalem) in which pervert parades cannot take place without violent disruptions. But the parades should not be allowed to be held in the first place, for the sake of our children and our future!!!!
"If this was something like the Folsom Street Fair in S.F., the gays should have been rounded up on public indecency laws. The public has the right to set up and enforce standards of proper behavior in public."
I agree with everything you said and you said it better than I could.
....Human rights groups....are demanding that Serbia’s pro-Western government curb extremism to “show they are for democracy, rule of law and respect of human rights.”....
This statement shows the TRUE aim of the “human rightser” sponsors of “gay” parades, “gay marriage”, etc.—to destroy all Serbian patriotic and Orthodox Christian (so-called “extremist”) groups, and leave Serbia a soulless peon province of the globalist empire!!!!
Make no mistake about it. The “human rightsers” want to similarly destroy the soul of America, and the souls of countries throughout the world!!!!
It’s time to dump the “human rightsers”.
“Refreshing posts as opposed to the Talibanesque remarks by plenty of others on this thread.”
Point out which specific posts are “Talibanesque.”
I hope their event wasn’t being held in a public toilet.
You know, if "human rightsters" actually fought for real "human rights", it would be one thing. But they don't. They take a marginalized group like "the poor", "homosexuals", "abused women" and they exploit them to promote a political agenda that elevates selected political groups above everyone else and shoves them down our throats. This is typical communist methodology for pitting groups against one another to reinforce the strength of "The State" as the arbiter.
Want to undermine them? Take away their ammunition!
If we exhibit a "conscience" in dealing with our fellow man according to God's Rules, we don't need the human rightster's phony "conscience" to guide us or to enforce politically what we ought to be doing for our own spiritual salvation! It is for this reason back in the 1980's, while some Protestant preachers were yelling that "AIDS is God's condemnation to homosexuals", an Orthodox Christian monastery opened the first charitable AIDS hospice in the country. It is for this reason, that the Greek Archbishop Iakovos marched arm and arm with Martin Luther King Jr in Selma and was one of the few white religious leaders to do so.
Because injustice has a spiritual dimension first, and only when it goes uncorrected can that injustice be exploited, politically and by evil forces who would use it for their own ends.
Want to defeat these political and evil forces, again I say, take away their ammunition! Correct the injustices so that they have nothing to exploit!
Thanks.
PS I am bookmarking that Teddy Rooselvelt quote on your homepage!
Hoplite is reportedly the injured American, hence his lack of posting on here recently. Since his outing, he’s been house hunting in the San Fagcisco Gay area, hence again his lack of postings recently.
Hoplite is reportedly the injured American, hence his lack of posting on here recently. Since his outing, he’s been house hunting in the San Fagcisco Gay area, hence again his lack of postings recently.
FROM WND’S JERUSALEM BUREAU
Violence in Israel caused by ‘gay’ event?
Rabbis link troubles to approval of World Pride parade in Jerusalem
By Alex Traiman
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
I support the right of any nation to set their own social order.
There is nothing here to indicate that these homosexual activists were engaged in anything other than a peaceful protest march. The masked attackers are the ones using the tactics of extremists.
Perhaps if they stopped flaunting their extreme debauchery and depraved behavior in public, the "Pro-Western government" wouldn't need to protect their right to do so!
Unless there was lewd or indecent behavior going on in public here, the marchers were doing nothing more than taking an unpopular position. In a democracy, people have the right to take such a position and government is supposed to protect such people from others who would violate their rights.
Extreme indecency, which by the way, there are laws against.
There is no indication that this was anything other than a peaceful political march, until the thugs showed up.
most people don’t remember that greek immigrants (legal) were lynch “back in the day” in atlanta.
The reason you don’t hear much about them is that they organized in order to education and assimilate into the american dream. They did not apply “victimology” despite the insanity they faced. (being forced to sell businesses that attracted too much success, beatings for dating the wrong woman, living in the wrong neighborhood)
ethnic origin was just as much in the bullseye as skin color.
What you propose is incredibly dangerous for the functioning of a free society. Forget that this is a gay rights parade and look at this more generally- if a society allows violence to be used against peaceful protestors, no matter how unpopular their position, then the right to protest becomes meaningless.
I totally agree.
However, I also think that these gay rights protesters wound up on the receiving end of Serb frustration from being drug into the New World Order, kicking and screaming -- and by force --, whether they want to go or not. "A Gay Rights Parade" is just "a symbol" of all the Soros leftist policies to them that are being shoved down their throats against their will, in their own country.
This is not in any way "an excuse" for thuggish behavior, just a long-view of what may be happening.
LOL!
Hoplite is in Serbia!?
I should look after my behind... I mean, realy I should!
:))))))
LOL!
Gay gathering was organised by “Queeria” organisation, gay extremist organisation known for its antichristianity in form of mochery of Christ and Crusifix, portraying Jesuss as gay, virgin Marry as lesbian, Catholic Pope and Serbian Patriarch as worst enemies of “freedom”, protests of public presence of Church on public gatherings etc...
“Queeria” organisation is not actual gay organisation as it is Soros funded anti-Christian sect.
Of course, not a word from them against Islam and treatment of gays in Islamic countries... Or descriving Muhammed as gay...
In the sam etime there are gay-gathering places in Belgrade, and no-one is making troubles for gay population.
Organisations funded by Soros and I may say Gay-nazis, are copy of their SA and SS detachmants from Europe of 1930es.
“Going to a foreign country to bait and provoke others into beating you to claim victim status and get world-wide publicity is another matter altogether.”
So I take it you’re of the same mind with regards to these folks?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1869111/posts
If not, why? Say what you will about these gay activists but at least their actions didn’t directly fund the Taliban and put our troops lives at risk!
“Say what you will about these gay activists but at least their actions didn’t directly fund the Taliban”
What do homosexual activists and Taliban share in common? They both accept sodomy, child abuse such as beardless dancing boys, cross dressing and man-luv Thursday. They are both rabidly antichristian, and if you don’t accept their perversion, they will try to destroy you. But in the end, they both lose.
Homosexuals and the Taliban have so much in common.
Surely we are called to almsgiving, as well as fasting and prayer, or else our fasting is useless. Every Orthodox parish around here donates to local food banks. Not only Archbishop Iakovos, but also Lutheran pastor Richard John Neuhaus (now a Roman Catholic priest and the editor of “First Things”) marched with Dr. King. Orthodox monasteries were taking in the incurably ill long before their were regular hospitals or hospices, and way long before HIV/AIDS made its appearance.
Nevertheless, poverty and injustice will not disappear from the world until Christ comes again in glory. So if we needed to remove injustice in order to defeat the “human rightsers”, that would be impossible.
However, the “human rightsers” do not work by exploiting poverty and inequality. Instead, they invent new “protected groups”, like the “gays”, and new “rights”, such as “gay marriage”, the “right” to stage “gay pride” parades of exhibitionism, and to render whole cities uninhabitable for the duration, and the “right” for “gays” to disrupt Roman Catholic Masses and to disrupt Christian meetings on the cure of homosexuality.
The “human rightsers” defend the “rights” of Muhammadans to migrate in large numbers to Western countries, and to require non-muslim children to obeserve Ramadan fasting regulation during the school day. They defend the “rights” of muslims to create enclaves in which sharia law is enforced, and to use Western countries as bases to finance jihads all over the world.
The “human rightsers” demonize Serbia and Israel. They make screaming propaganda defining Serbia as the “war-criminal nation”, and work to push Serbs out of homes their ancestors lived in for hundreds of years, to break off more and more pieces of the Serbian homeland, and to rob Serbia of its heart, Kosovo. They require Serbia to extradite its former leaders to face show trials in The Hague. Even when Serbia goes for a quisling government that prostrates before the “human rightsers”, it still is not enough to satisfy them!!
The “human rightsers” do not work to correct injustice (whether in an exploitive way or not). They create injustice!!!!
Yeah, i guess we he was trying to cop a feel because no one knew what that he was trying to say “Pusi je kurac”. so, somebody smacked him upside his brain housing group.
Many “gay” activist organizations (if not all of them) are actively anti-Christian and anti-Jewish. In my Blue state, “gays” have disrupted and desecrated Roman Catholic Masses, and staged disruptive “demonistrations” (blocking entrances, etc.) against meetings in churches on curing homosexuality.
Citizen Blade, I would not call “gay” parades “political demonstrations”. They are gross displays of decadence and exhibitionism. Many people cannot go into a city center on “gay pride” week, for work or for other reasons.
Quite a few years ago, “gay” activists, who had no intention of becoming members, swarmed in large numbers into a Lutheran parish that I once loved. (They were led by one actual congregation member who “came out” as a homosexual.) They turned Sunday morning into a “gay” circus. A sizeable groups of long-time members, including myself, left the congragation for another Lutheran parish in the suburbs. (I am as of this year an Orthodox Christian.) Although those “gays” are long gone from that once-great parish, the parish is sunk low in feminazi and “gay” pseudo-theology and worship.
It is because of that incident that I have no sympathy whasoever for “gay” activists. Now that they are backed by New World Order money (not only in places like Serbia, but in America), that goes double!!!!
Anyone who does this should be punished for violating the law. But I agree that, in many cases, our authorities are too PC to actually enforce the law in such cases.
Citizen Blade, I would not call “gay” parades “political demonstrations”. They are gross displays of decadence and exhibitionism. Many people cannot go into a city center on “gay pride” week, for work or for other reasons.
I fully support arresting people for violating public nudity and lewdness laws. But there is no indication that this protest in Serbia involved any of these things.
Quite a few years ago, “gay” activists, who had no intention of becoming members, swarmed in large numbers into a Lutheran parish that I once loved. (They were led by one actual congregation member who “came out” as a homosexual.) They turned Sunday morning into a “gay” circus.
A vile situation, I'm sure. But I don't think there's amything illegal about it.
It is because of that incident that I have no sympathy whasoever for “gay” activists.
Is there any indication that this gay protest in Serbia was lewd or in any way involved illegal acts?
Media supporting Bosnia's first gay festival threatened
Bosnia's journalists' association warned Monday that local media supporting organisers of the country's first-ever gay festival were being threatened and called on police to investigate the cases.
Three radio stations and an independent weekly magazine were receiving threat letters for offering "unbiased and ethical" reports about the four-day Sarajevo Queer festival which is to open on Wednesday, an association statement said.
"Letters containing open and very serious threats are an attack on personal safety of the employees of these media outlets as well as safety of their family members and their property," it said.
The association requested that police identify the persons behind letters sent to IFM Student Radio, BH Radio 1, Radio Sarajevo and the Dani magazine and publish their names.
Announcement by gay and lesbian rights group Association Q that it was organising the Queer Festival has run into a storm of criticism, particularly upsetting the Muslim majority as it will fall during the holy month of Ramadan.
Many others, including members of various ethnic political parties, have gone as far as declaring homosexuality an illness and its behaviour deviant.
Such statements have been accompanied by a broader hate campaign, with posters declaring "Death to Homos" appearing in the capital and a torrent of abuse on Internet forums.
They have been met by condemnation and calls for tolerance from rights groups like Amnesty International and the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).
The police were preparing special security measures for the festival labeled a "high risk" event.
Homosexuals and the Taliban have so much in common.
So right. They have Thanatos - Death - in common.
Homosexuals are death (thanatos drive ) wishers and Islam is a total culture of death. It is nothing more or less than bowing to the god thanatos.
Hmm...if the Taliban and homosexuals are equivalent, shouldn’t we be concerned that McCain recently recieved the Log Cabin groups’ endorsement? Or that his chief strategist just spoke before them? Is McCain going to hell now?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/key-john-mccain.html
This is where we disagree, HS.
I never suggested that we eliminate ALL poverty and inequality in order to defeat the human rightsters. ("For the poor will always be with us".) But human rightsters DO exploit problems that already exist, and then use them to their own ends.
For example, if we were to eliminate all the government social programs for the poor, tomorrow, do you really think that this would be it, over and out? Of course not, we would need a massive charity outpouring to displace voluntarily at least part of what we were contributing in taxes, involuntarily. The difference is that we could demand accountability for what we contribute, and have the option of withholding from those organizations which don't spend it wisely -- unlike our relationship with our government.
In this case, homosexuals have been treated throughout history like they are some sort of "human subspecies", even though they are (secularly) taxpaying citizens who should have the same rights as you and I, and (theologically) no more or less humans made in the Image of God, as you and I. That they are "sinners", yeah, who isn't? That they are "sexual sinners"? Then, everyone who looks at pornography, everyone who cheated on their spouse -- everyone who ever had sex outside of marriage -- should be denied their civil rights as citizens? That's insane!
I don't know what the experience of your parish is like, but I can tell you that in the Serbian Orthodox parishes I grew up in -- and with the community I grew up with -- homosexuality is simply ignored as though it doesn't exist. People are people. What anyone else would see as "the gay guy", wasn't "the gay guy" to us -- he was (his name), "Joe and Anna's kid", a lawyer, etc. I can recall the subject of homosexuality being brought up to a priest, and his response was "sex outside of marriage is sex outside of marriage, period -- it's a sin, no better or worse than any other form of fornication".
Re "are homosexuals deprived of their rights as citizens?", I can tell you that when I was at UCLA years ago, I recall asking a frat boy friend about his weekend and he said that he and his buddies had "a real good time on Saturday night when they went over to West Hollywood and beat up some queers". I said, "What? Why?" His response was, "For fun. We just waited why one or two of us would get these guys alone, then we'd all show up and jump them and beat them blind". I was appalled. I KNOW that this kid was never arrested or prosecuted. And I heard more, similar stories over the years. Hell yes, there was "a problem" before gays ever politically organized.
That some homosexuals are "anti-religious" also shouldn't be a surprise, given the level of hostility that many churches have shown toward them. Those radical, anti-religious homosexuals are however a minority.
“Homosexuals are death (thanatos drive ) wishers and Islam is a total culture of death. It is nothing more or less than bowing to the god thanatos.”
Absolutely I agree. It’s sad to see Truth turned on it’s head these days—good is evil and evil is good. But then again, this was in prophecy.
“Hmm...if the Taliban and homosexuals are equivalent, shouldn’t we be concerned that McCain recently recieved the Log Cabin groups’ endorsement? Or that his chief strategist just spoke before them? Is McCain going to hell now?”
I don’t know why you brought this up, but yes, we should be very concerned about McCain and the Log Cabin Republicans. Homosexual activists are in error, and they—plus anyone who accepts their error as truth—needs to be set straight.
I don’t know if McCain is going to Hell. Only God can judge a man’s heart. But God clearly tells us that homosexual behavior is sinful and that we are to flee from it. It’s wrong to embrace it and say it’s normal and a right.
Love the sinner, hate the sin. Be courageous and honorable enough to call homosexuality what it is—a sinful perversion. Speak the truth in love.
I do not deny the rights of those who consider themselves “gays” as citizens.
But I do not—in any way, shape, or form—accept the “essentialist” argument that “gays” are a particular class of human beings, like African-Americans. Those who call themselves “gay” have rights as citizens, but should have NO special rights whatsoever as “gays”. And as Church members, they are just sinners, with their own special sins, just like you and I.
I say NO to “gay” parades, to requiring teaching about homosexuality in the public schools, to accepting “gay” attacks on the churches, to mayors appointing special liasons to the “gay community”, to Canadian “human rightser”courts persecuting Christian clergy who speak out against “gay” culture, etc., etc, etc.
In the Church, discussions of homosexuality belong mainly in the confessional, except for sermons against the decadence of the secular culture that invades our lives as Christians.
As for Serbia, as shown by the repeat of the “gay” parades even in “Bosnia”, it is obvious that the New World Order is using the “gay” ethos to ready all these countries (and especialy Serbia) for assimilation into the decadent, soulless EU beast. They also would prefer that the Serbian birthrate continues its decline, so that they can get rid of Serbs altogether. NWO money is behind the “gay” movement in US churches, etc, as well.
Serbs need to follow the advice of the new Orthodox renewal movements in their country (Justin the Philosopher, Serbian Gates, 1389), and of their good Bishops who are behind these movements. They need to be VERY Orthodox, marry, and have larger families, to fight the “white plague”. They need to find ways to develop their economy, like Singapore and Hong Kong, etc. If they do these things, God may use them as an example to Russia, and maybe to us, too. Neither Serbs nor anyone else need Western European-style decadence!!!!
As for social programs to help the poor, as a classic social conservative, I support most of them, as long as they do not foster dependence, the breakdown of family structures (blame the feminazis), and corruption. As with our charities, we need to hold our representatives accountable for these programs, and use our charities as examples, even for government.
At last, we agree HS!
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