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Jersey undergoing 'brain gain' despite drop in population
NJ.Com ^ | 9/17/08 | Ron Marsico

Posted on 09/17/2008 10:25:14 AM PDT by Clemenza

New Jersey has lost population in recent decades because low-income residents are fleeing to states with a reduced cost of living, while those moving into the Garden State are generally better educated and earn higher salaries, according to a Princeton University study released today.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: New Jersey
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1 posted on 09/17/2008 10:25:14 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza
New Jersey has lost population in recent decades because low-income residents are fleeing to states with a reduced cost of living, while those moving into the Garden State are generally better educated and earn higher salaries, according to a Princeton University study released today.

The study on migration, conducted by the Policy Research Institute for the Region at the university's Woodrow Wilson School, shows "a brain gain" in the state despite an overall net loss of residents.

The study found that there is a modest population gain in New Jersey residents with a college degree, particularly those with PhDs, while the majority of people leaving the state are at the lower end of the income and education spectrum. In general, the study found New Jersey's state income tax policy does not cause people to leave.

Additionally, the results show a 70 percent increase in the numbers of "half-millionaires" in the state between 2002 and 2006, jumping from about 26,000 to 44,000 during that time span.

"Further, migration out of the state is almost entirely due to low-income individuals moving to areas with lower living costs," said Richard Keevey, director of the Policy Research Institute for the Region, in a statement accompanying the survey results. "The most important step to reducing out-migration would be to improve the affordability of housing in the state, particularly for low-income residents."

Joseph Seneca, an economics professor at Rutgers University's Bloustein School of Policy and Planning, said he believes the state would be more prosperous if the cost of living were lower, allowing lower-income people to stay. He said he also was concerned about the current gloomy economic outlook.

"We have an unfolding national recession where costs are going to matter ... and there are going to be reductions in income ... ," Seneca said. "It changes a tight labor market into a weak labor market."

Gov. Jon Corzine lauded the results, saying it shows "people are not fleeing the state at the accelerated rates that some pundits would have us believe."

In a statement, Corzine added, "What this study shows is that migration is a byproduct of prosperity and not tax policy. At a time when the fundamentals of our national economy are faltering, this is positive news for New Jersey."

The study was produced by Douglas Massey, a professor at the Woodrow Wilson school, along with graduate students Cristobal Young and Charles Varner. They compiled and evaluated statistics from the U.S. Census Bureau and the New Jersey Division of Taxation's individual resident tax data.

Based on the results, they also determined the "modest net outflow of labor supply has been beneficial for workers and job-seekers" in New Jersey, with unemployment in part being transported to other states. But they concluded more study is required to understand the fiscal impact of the state's net loss of residents since at least the early 1990s.

"For example, adding one million people would greatly strain government services and amenities while also presumably bringing in additional tax revenues," according to the study. "In a very densely populated state like New Jersey, population growth may be more costly and difficult to manage than out-migration."

2 posted on 09/17/2008 10:26:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (Barack Obama: Black and White and RED all Over)
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To: Clemenza

Why do they keep electing democrats then?


3 posted on 09/17/2008 10:26:03 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Clemenza

If they are so smart, why are they moving to such a thoroughly corrupt, high taxing state?


4 posted on 09/17/2008 10:26:50 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Clemenza; Pharmboy; Calpernia; Coleus; Tired of Taxes; firebrand

Garden State Ping!


5 posted on 09/17/2008 10:26:59 AM PDT by Clemenza (Barack Obama: Black and White and RED all Over)
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To: b4its2late
"Why do they keep electing democrats then?""

Because, most of those "smart" people are the liberally educated snobs.

6 posted on 09/17/2008 10:30:30 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Clemenza

can you add me to the NJ ping list?


7 posted on 09/17/2008 10:31:08 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Clemenza
...low-income residents are fleeing to states with a reduced cost of living......the study found New Jersey's state income tax policy does not cause people to leave... - So, the study notes that people are leaving because NJ costs too much, and concludes that NJ costing too much does not cause people to leave. Personally, I'm not seeing a "brain gain" here.
8 posted on 09/17/2008 10:33:55 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: Clemenza

This research is just like the research on the minimun wage done years ago that claimed raising it did nit destroy jobs based on a couple of phone call to Burger King. High income individuals have been establishing tax residency in Florida and other low tax states in very large numbers. thats the fact


9 posted on 09/17/2008 10:36:27 AM PDT by cmwy
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To: the Real fifi
If they are so smart, why are they moving to such a thoroughly corrupt, high taxing state?

These are folks educated beyond their intelligence level. They've got the fancy degree paperwork, but not much common sense.

10 posted on 09/17/2008 10:37:49 AM PDT by Azzurri
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To: Clemenza

Fuhgeddaboudit.......


11 posted on 09/17/2008 10:37:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you're not part of the solution, then you must be part of the government............)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I guess....... Damn. I take smart as being intelligent and having common sense and those two rarely (except in FReepers) go hand in hand.


12 posted on 09/17/2008 10:37:57 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Clemenza

Why would anyone with intelligence and an education move to the Garbage State, a pay-more-get-less left-wing socialist paradise with traffic congestion, sky-high auto insurance costs, some of the highest taxes in the nation, and left-wing gun control laws???


13 posted on 09/17/2008 10:38:08 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Clemenza
I guess they don't call them Wiseguy's for nothing!

-PJ

14 posted on 09/17/2008 10:39:25 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never over-estimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Clemenza

When knowledge is not chained to wisdom, the results become obvious, narcissistic fools who think they are doing “good” when they are in fact destroying whatever they touch.


15 posted on 09/17/2008 10:39:37 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: the Real fifi
A lot of highly educated people are liberal democrats because with education they develop an elitist attitude and a strong belief in centrally planned economies. These people truly believe in higher regulations imposed by govt officials with titles and ivy league education.

Most PhD’s have little common sense and while they may be very good at their specific field have little street smarts which is all it takes to figure out the lies of liberalism.

San Francisco, New Jersey, Boston, Chicago.....all have a bunch of highly educated elitist liberals.

16 posted on 09/17/2008 10:41:42 AM PDT by Maneesh
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To: Clemenza

This study is not worth the paper it is printed on.

There has been a massive outflow of retirees with assets out of NJ to other states: Delaware, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina.

There is much more to come. The outflow has been stemmed due to people not being able to sell their houses in the NJ market.

NJ is a classic case of “Atlas Shrugged” and will be one of the first states to have a Federal bailout. There is not enough tax money to pay for upcoming bills, and there will never be.

I know. I lived there for 52 years. And the notion of a brain gain in NJ is laughable.


17 posted on 09/17/2008 10:42:28 AM PDT by exit82 (The only person that could get me to vote for John McCain is Sarah Palin -God bless her)
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To: b4its2late
re: Additionally, the results show a 70 percent increase in the numbers of "half-millionaires" in the state between 2002 and 2006, jumping from about 26,000 to 44,000 during that time span.)))

I hate this sort of thing. What does it mean? That someone has a net worth of half-a-mil or that they make $500K a year? Very different things.

18 posted on 09/17/2008 10:48:23 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Clemenza
Jersey Undergoing Brain Gain

Then why do I feel so stupid for staying here with all the 'Rats?

19 posted on 09/17/2008 10:51:08 AM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: exit82

after 51 yrs. there myself, left this past December. Couldn’t afford to buy a house there with the highest property taxes in the land...migrated over the border to PA, low property taxes definitely the draw for us.


20 posted on 09/17/2008 10:52:07 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42 - 12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Winged Hussar

‘cause its better than hangin with shoobies.


21 posted on 09/17/2008 10:53:10 AM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: Clemenza

Please add me to your Garden State ping list...thanks.


22 posted on 09/17/2008 10:56:55 AM PDT by jnygrl (A big mouth coupled with a small mind is a dangerous combination)
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To: tina07

Good for you!

I moved to Southern Delaware over 2 years ago. The only thing I miss about NJ is Cape May, which we visit often, via the Cape May Lewes ferry.


23 posted on 09/17/2008 11:04:58 AM PDT by exit82 (The only person that could get me to vote for John McCain is Sarah Palin -God bless her)
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To: Clemenza

How many of these educated people can’t afford to live in New York?


24 posted on 09/17/2008 11:13:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly (I'll tell you a little secret: we're smarter and more competent than the Left.)
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To: Clemenza

My firm recently moved many of its operation to NJ from NYC to cut costs. NJ may well be the recipient of outflow from other nearby areas which are suffocating from high costs of living, taxes, crime etc. People and companies that are fleeing don’t necessarily move to areas far, far away.

They just move to the lesser of two evils.


25 posted on 09/17/2008 11:17:29 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Clemenza

The brain gain will be reversed on the drop of a dime, which is happening right now as the finance sector is shedding jobs.

There is still another 200,000 finance jobs to be lost in the NYC metroplex during the next 18 months. That was the consensus view taken at a NYU SCPS roundtable I attended in April.

If McCain or Obama nationalize the health insurance industry, NJ will lose another 120,000 insurance jobs and an untold number of bio/pharma jobs too.

J&J have had a hiring freeze in place since March, for almost every subsidiary, to put it in perspective.


26 posted on 09/17/2008 11:18:32 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander (Obama wants to raise taxes and kill babies. Palin wants to raise babies and kill taxes.)
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To: Clemenza

But Joisy still hasn’t gained enough brains to stop voting democrat.


27 posted on 09/17/2008 11:22:47 AM PDT by wny
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To: bobsatwork
...low-income residents are fleeing to states with a reduced cost of living......the study found New Jersey's state income tax policy does not cause people to leave...

These two findings are not really contradictory. State taxes are a lot like Federal taxes- low-income people pay much less tax, even as a percentage of their income, than the well-off.

So, the taxes might not bug them, but low-income people might be leaving the state because costs of living are going up due to the fact that high-income people moving in-state tends to make everything more expensive.

28 posted on 09/17/2008 11:32:38 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Clemenza
Translation =
NJ - ECO-Cleansing of the Middle Class!
29 posted on 09/17/2008 11:33:41 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: Clemenza
(CORRECTION)
Translation =
NJ - ECONOMIC-Cleansing of the Middle Class!
30 posted on 09/17/2008 11:35:13 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: Clemenza

So much for diversity.


31 posted on 09/17/2008 12:26:06 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Clemenza

Gov. Corzine and his propagandists have a lot of moxie. U.S. Census Bureau data show that, nationwide, the number of college graduates aged 25 and up increased by 19% between 2000 and 2006.

The increase isn’t primarily due to immigrants from abroad: It’s due to the fact that people who were 25-30 years old in 2006 were far more apt to have college degrees than were people who were say, 50 and older, but these 25-30 year olds weren’t part of the mix in 2000.

In New Jersey alone, the number of college educated people increased by just a little over 16%. The increase was actually far less than the national average, and it reflects the fact that, on balance, the college educated are migrating out of the Garden State, just like people without college degrees are.

The whole “study” relies on people not being aware of the substantial nationwide increase in the number of college-educated people.


32 posted on 09/17/2008 12:31:29 PM PDT by willowsdale
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To: exit82

Good for you too! It’s been 8 1/2 months and I don’t really miss anything about NJ. We lived in an apt. complex for nearly 20 yrs. and I rarely think about that place any more! It was getting seedier and seedier.

My mother had sold her house in ‘01, so there was no going ‘home’ any more..brought her with us to PA, also my daughter, her husband and our only grandson moved here the year before, part of our decision too.

We, hubby and I, used to go to the Firemen’s Convention in Wildwood. Went to Cape May once but it was a rainy day, need to go when it’s nice!


33 posted on 09/17/2008 12:38:40 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42 - 12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Clemenza

“Jersey undergoing ‘brain gain’ despite drop in population”

this can only mean one thing: more democrats and RINO’s leaving than Conservatives.


34 posted on 09/17/2008 12:55:49 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Clemenza
"the majority of people leaving the state are at the lower end of the income and education spectrum."

I wonder what is defined as "lower end". Maybe I'm missing something, but could the study have counted the middle class as "lower end"? Anyway, I see the study is based on 2006 data. I wonder what the new data would tell us.

35 posted on 09/17/2008 1:25:00 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Clemenza
just what we need is more elitist snobs who think they know better
36 posted on 09/17/2008 8:55:45 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Very true. With the downsizing of the financial sector and the pharma sector, we should expect more folks to the right of the socioeconomic curve to leave the state.

I will admit, however, that there has been a sizeable exodus of the lower middle class to Pennsylvania and (to a lesser extent) Delaware as well. They are disproportionately affected by the high property taxes in the state. Many immigrants (of all social classes) are also spreading to places in the country with a lower cost of living.

37 posted on 09/21/2008 8:44:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (PRIVATIZE FANNIE AND FREDDIE! NO MORE BAILOUTS!)
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