Posted on 09/12/2008 10:04:48 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
-"As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos". - www.johnmccain.com
I feel better now. Thanks.
Shhh. Don’t you know the single issue voters have spoken and thus it can not be undone?
Okay, on another thread, his “spokesman” was quoted as saying McCain supports embryonic research.
I hope that report was wrong or a spokesman is about to be fired.
If this is McCain’s position, then good for him.
Good.
Things tend to get out of control quickly - including here. That's why I felt the need to clarify the McCain position quickly for all concerned!
His spokesman has clearly stated that McCain is not backing down from that position.
The ONLY way that McCain will get my family's vote is if he backs down from embryonic stem cell research and makes it VERY clear in his speeches that he is doing so.
Isn’t this his official stance from his official web site?
Don’t be a jerk about people’s convictions. We support life. If we are to be consistent, embryonic stem cell research is the destruction of human life. Frankly, we need to oppose the overharvesting of in vitro fertilized eggs too. But, if life isn’t a single issue to take a firm stand on, nothing is.
I’m a two issue voter, by the way. I can forgive a multitude of sins and still hold my nose and vote. But hate Israel or be pro-choice and you have lost my vote.
How could he be so mean to Michael J. Fox?
What you are stating is contrary to what is the OFFICIAL POSITION on THE McCAIN WEBSITE. You make YOUR OWN decision, based on YOUR CHOICE, BUT IT IS NOT McCAIN’s POSITION.
His web site can say anything that it wants - but the facts are that McCain has vocally supported embryonic stem cell research, and his spokesman confirmed it today.
McCain should be ashamed of himself, repent of that sin, and make it verbally clear to the electorate that embryonic stem cell research (new OR existing) will not be tolerated by his administration.
Ah, we have an elite in our midst.
It’s not about “single issues” with McCain. It’s a combination of several issues which have been widely documented and discussed on FR. As we’ve seen over the past few weeks. McCain can’t win just because he’s not Obama.
I’m not going to defend single-issue voters. However, offending them certainly won’t endear them to McCain. Voting for McCain does not mean conceding to his views.
Can you not read? You would rather have Obama who wants to kill babies born alive?
Get real — this is about the future of our Nation and if you want to protect the unborn then get behind McCain/Palin or be stuck with a President that supports killing babies born alive after partial birth abortion.
The choice is clear!
LOL. Michael J. Fox...another reason we have Claire McCaskill as a Missouri senator. For now.
Politicket,
I hear you. What sealed it for me is that if McCain is elected more babies will live. If Obama is elected the genocide will be extreme.
Here are some parts of his statement on life that may give you some comfort. Palin only sweetens this pot.
John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.
Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.
However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, “At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level.”
Promoting Adoption
In 1993, John McCain and his wife, Cindy, adopted a little girl from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. She has been a blessing to the McCain family and helped make adoption advocacy a personal issue for the Senator.
The McCain family experience is not unique; millions of families have had their lives transformed by the adoption of a child. As president, motivated by his personal experience, John McCain will seek ways to promote adoption as a first option for women struggling with a crisis pregnancy. In the past, he cosponsored legislation to prohibit discrimination against families with adopted children, to provide adoption education, and to permit tax deductions for qualified adoption expenses, as well as to remove barriers to interracial and inter-ethnic adoptions.
Addressing the Moral Concerns of Advanced Technology
Stem cell research offers tremendous hope for those suffering from a variety of deadly diseases - hope for both cures and life-extending treatments. However, the compassion to relieve suffering and to cure deadly disease cannot erode moral and ethical principles.
For this reason, John McCain opposes the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes. To that end, Senator McCain voted to ban the practice of “fetal farming,” making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes. Furthermore, he voted to ban attempts to use or obtain human cells gestated in animals. Finally, John McCain strongly opposes human cloning and voted to ban the practice, and any related experimentation, under federal law.
As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos.
I'm not trying to be mean...but you are completely ignorant on McCain's stand on this issue if you truly believe that.
Let's not base our politics on "wishes". McCain needs to repent of this.
I just want to get McCain elected so I can bash him for the next four years.
But that all comes later.
First we crush Obama, the left and the MSM.
bttt
No - you really need to "get real".
I, of course, do not support Obambi and the blood on his hands from his position of infanticide.
I also do not support McCain and the blood on his hands from his position of infanticide.
I do support Sarah Palin and her support of life, but she would not be in the position to make that decision as Vice President.
Here's my question to you:
Is a killer that murders 4,400 babies a day worse than a killer that murders 400 babies a yesr?
Should we vote for either one of them? The biblical answer is "No".
This is what the news article says. McCain’s spokesman did not confirm that McCain would support EMBRYONIC stem cell research.
This week, campaign spokesman Ben Porritt cited McCain’s Senate voting record but would not specify whether a McCain-Palin administration would support federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. He said only that they would “support stem cell research,” which could refer to amniotic or reprogrammed adult stem cells.
A radio advertisement his campaign released Friday called “Stem Cell” says McCain would lead his congressional allies to improve America’s health with medical breakthroughs but doesn’t mention the word “embryonic.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-stem-cells-mccain_N.htm
We support non-embryonic stem cell research. I think Paln does too. McCain is moving that way. Let’s not give the left any more ammo than it has.
I don't vote for the "lesser of two evils" when it involves human life.
I'll debate someone on illegal immigration, taxes, etc. - but anyone willing to take innocent human life does not belong in elected office. Period.
Try to flip the question, politicket. If your vote could save the lives of 4,000 babies a year, is it biblically right to withold it because you can’t have it all?
This isn't an "internecine" battle - it's a battle for innocent human life. The Holy Bible is very clear what stand Christians should take, and folks like Sarah Palin have done that. John McCain has been hypocritical in his position and needs to repent of it. Otherwise, he is operating directly opposed to God's Word.
I’m looking at McCain from the aspect of saving human life. I know what I have heard from his own lips. It appears that his position is moving in our direction. I will vote for him because I believe many many more babies will live. If Obama gets in, we will have not only an abortion promoting president but a live born infant murderer. The comparison between the two isn’t exactly equal.
I will give you one last opportunity to ADMIT that you are MISTAKEN on McCain's position on this issue - OR PROVIDE a direct LINK to substantiate your erroneous claim that McCAIN "supports EMBRYONIC stem cell research".
Here is the DISINFORMATION link from the MSM that is carrying the RAT's water pail on disinforming McCain's position... WA COMPOST.
Is this the LINK that you are referring to???
I have no problem with non-embryonic stem cell research. Anyone here that has followed McCain for any length of time knows full well his position on ths issue. I have not heard him (actual words from his mouth) back down from his position. If he does it publicly and means what he says then my family will be more than happy to support the ticket - it is the only thing standing in the way, even though I disagree with him on a whole host of non-life issues.
From the thread on the new McCain stem cell ad:
‘The omission (of embryonic research from the ad) is not a signal that McCain is backing away from his record in favor of embryonic stem cell research, spokesman Brian Rogers said.
“Clearly, John McCain supports it,” he said, emphasizing that the ad is intended to refer to all forms of stem cell research, including experiments using human embryos and those using cells from adults.’
So, does this mean McCain supports stem cell research using embryos that already exist? How does one acquire these embryos without “growing” them?
I’ll give McCain the benefit of the doubt and assume there’s some communication snafu. But the McCain camp needs to stop sending mixed signals.
You are correct. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE from anyone that McCain supports “EMBRYONIC” stem cell research. The MSM is trying to cause confustion by OMMISSION of this fact in their article. And now we have some here on this forum trying to CAUSE MAYHEM (purposefully??) over this blantant misinformation. If they don’t provide direct evidence to support their MAYHEM, they are nothing more than NOBAMA accomplices.
Your CAPITAL letters are getting a bit old. I would also be very careful about who you call "ignorant"
Tell you what - why don't YOU go put the following terms into Google search: mccain embryonic stem cell - and then get back to me once you have a clue.
You are correct. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE from anyone that McCain supports “EMBRYONIC” stem cell research. The MSM is trying to cause confustion by OMMISSION of this fact in their article. And now we have some here on this forum trying to CAUSE MAYHEM (purposefully??) over this blantant misinformation. If they don’t provide direct evidence to support their MAYHEM, they are nothing more than NOBAMA accomplices.
BTW...I’m not trying to argue. I’m just trying to help clear this up so we can move on.
bttt
You are behaving like the holier-than-thou Jews in Luke 10:25-37(a priest and a Levite)who claimed to keep God’s Law perfectly but were hypocrites as they passed by the helpless man who was beaten by the highwaymen. The good Samaritan (Samaritans were considered to be the lowest form of heretic by the Jews) did right as he dealt with the situation as God would have it.
We have a clear choice in this election and McCain is 99.7% right on this issue and is moving towards 100%. Obama bin Liden is 100% pro-choice.
See my post #28. Unless he was misquoted, this “Brian Rogers,” a McCain spokesman, is contradicting McCain’s stated position.
"Since then, several prominent Republicans have come out in favor of limited stem cell research, including the United States Senators Orrin Hatch of Utah and John McCain of Arizona, as well as Nancy Reagan, the former first lady. But opponents of the New Jersey bill say it goes beyond limited research, and would allow a procedure called "somatic cell nuclear transfer," which some scientists consider a human cloning technique."
Sorry, my post was meant to go to LibFreeUSA...
You can cast all of the aspersions that you want.
The biblical facts are clear about the murder of innocents.
there is a line of available embryos used in stem cell research that has long been approved. The concern of pro-lifers is that children would be conceived and aborted to provide new embryos for the research.
By you not voting you are duplictous in getting Obama elected and are an enabler of his pro-abortion policies and that makes you an Acessory to the murder of innocents.
The current platform "recognizes" Bush's support for a limited amount of research on embryonic stem cells and praises his opposition to federal funding for the effort. McCain, in contrast, supports embryonic stem cell research, touting his position as evidence of the "straight talk" he offers to conservatives.
"We would very much like to see a resolution passed by the platform committee that would encourage a ban on killing of embryos for their stem cells," Parro said. "If that were introduced, we certainly would hope that Senator McCain would not oppose it."
I understand there a CELLS from the available embryos which have been approved for testing. That’s not my concern here.
Actually, I’m just trying to get the straight story.
McCain’s spokesperson screwed up or McCain is throwing us a curve. See this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2081385/posts
Nope - but good try.
God's Word tells us that He already knows how this election will turn out. We have a responsibility to participate in our civil government to the degree that we fear God and honor God first.
Our "job" is not to take credit for a candidate getting elected. All of that glory goes directly to our Heavenly Father.
Our "job" is to obey God.
Isn’t this his official stance from his official web site?Doesn't matter, only a personal phone call will do.
Evidence has been provided. Have you abandoned your thread?
You are a copping out just like the Priest and Levite and not lifting a finger but letting the innocent die. They thought they obeyed God too. But they didn’t in reality. Faith without works is dead.
Maybe their "caps" key broke?
yeah, I saw that thread earlier. I think the spokesperson misspoke. McCain has a very clean pro-life record going back decades, so advancing stem cell research (v. adult stem cells) would be counterintuitive.
A McCain spokesperson was quoted as saying McCain supports embryonic stem cell research.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2081385/posts
Me, I don’t need a personal phone call. Just accurate information. Perhaps this McCain guy messed up.
I realize that this is an anonymous message board and you don't know me - but quit being an idiot.
I have participated in the pro-life movement since the early 1980's.
I have taken women into my home so that they didn't feel foced to have an abortion.
I have gone "dumpster-diving" at night and sorted through trash bags full of bloody gauze and baby parts - holding them in my very hands - just so those babies could have a proper burial.
What EXACTLY have you done that gives you the right to cast the aspersions that you have - just because your "bloody-handed" candidate wants to get elected?
John McCain can repent of his position - and I'm praying that he does.
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