Posted on 09/11/2008 1:44:48 AM PDT by tomymind
IT'S WIDELY ACCEPTED now that Barack Obama would be better off if he'd picked Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate instead of Joe Biden. Obama had his reasons, particularly his discomfort with her as his actual vice president if he's elected. Still, Obama sacrificed a stronger ticket by rejecting Clinton.
Absent Hillary, the contest between Obama-Biden and the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin is throwing the Democrats into disarray. The consequences of Obama's veep decision appear mostly to favor McCain. And if Obama had picked Hillary? Here are a few of the differences.
No Palin. Okay, McCain might have picked her anyway. He was looking for a running mate who would help him shake up the campaign. And Palin has delivered spectacularly on that. But choosing her would have seemed far less of a game-changer had Obama picked Clinton. Palin would have been merely the second female running mate in 2008. And her appeal to those who had voted for Clinton in the primaries would have been reduced if not nullified altogether. As a result, the prospects of the other potential game-changers McCain was considering--Democratic senator Joe Lieberman and pro-choice ex-Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge--would surely have risen. And while it's unknowable whether McCain would have picked Palin if Obama had gone with Clinton, selecting Palin would have been a lot less likely.
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“As a result, the prospects of the other potential game-changers McCain was considering—Democratic senator Joe Lieberman and pro-choice ex-Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge—would surely have risen.”
yeah the snooze team. zzzzzzzz
If Obama picked Hillary, the race would be over no matter what McCain did. He’d pick a VP who had nothing to lose.
With Palin there, Hillary has almost no chance of a 2012 win for President.
So maybe VP now or for sure nothing ever.
I still think Hillary would have turned down the VP spot even if offered. She wants to be the top dog, and that would only delay it. Plus, if she thinks Obama is a loser, getting tied to him could be grim.
Having said that, it’s hilarious to watch Obama get zinged for it. Even Biden’s admits he’s the wrong guy. LOL!
I agree.
Palin would have taken all she had to, Biden would be gone and nobody would get to ask anything of Hillary in a debate.
Perfect and quite typical Democrat party stuff IMO.
another point: if Hillary was on the ticket, Obama could then lay claim to the Bill Clinton years of balanced budgets and a strong dollar. Now he risks being tied to Carter and Europe
you don’t seem to understand. Obama supporters hate Hillary. It’s not just about Barack and his wife.
That would lead to a clinton presidency. Obama would be a puppet while hillary and bill ran the show. They would demand nothing less for their support.You all saw what the got away with at the convention, Obama would fold like a pack of cards - again.
I feel the same exact way. People often assume Hillary would take the VP position if offered. If I was her, I’d say no. For all the reasons you stated.
It’s not Plugs that’s the problem for the donkeys, it’s Barry “Can’ts say the middle name” Obama.
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Plus she’d insist on having the 20 million debt of her campaign paid off, and Obama right now doesn’t have that kind of money to throw around.
Hillary as VP as this point is simply not going to happen.
Otherwise why is Biden saying that Hillary would have been a better choice and that she may be more qualified, and why this mysterious meeting between Obama and Bill Clinton in NYC tomorrow?
Something is up. If it does happen, I wonder if we'll hear a lot of talk from the media about "Hail Mary passes"?
Obama may be a leftist, but he's not stupid. He knows he screwed up.
because Biden is a dork. he always says stupid things.
Had Obama tapped Hillary Clinton I would not have been lining up to sell him life insurance, that’s for certain.
Would of...could of...should of.
This is the USA, not New Jersey. A switcheroo at this point would backfire in a big way, and a feigned “health problem” by Biden would not be believed either.
Don't know if they could wait that long. Thirty states have some kind of early voting and I doubt they could change the ticket once voting started. The whole country isn't New Jersey, if they really want to dump Biden (which I strongly doubt would happen) they need to act soon.
Michelle wouldnt allow a hillary Veep
I agree. As one FReeper put it yesterday; "There's your October Surprise".
And ditto what you said about the timing.
Say...less than two weeks before the election and after the debates. There'd be no time to really respond.
Then again, Hillary isn't exactly popular outside of the PUMA supporters, but it wouldn't stop that group from voting for the ticket.
OK, let's assume for a second that you're correct in your thoughts. How would this revelation play out in public perception? Especially now, after Biden's own little revelation, essentially that he's less qualified than Hillary to be on the ticket? The meme has been planted, Obama's judgment is being questioned (not just by us but by the left), a more qualified woman is being percieved as having been passed over ... I see little downside to this. Should Biden actually be thrown under the bus for Hillary, then there's a whole 'nother set of thorns for Obama to contend with. His own most ardent supporters are misogynist. He will be overshadowed by his own VP. The longer we can keep them chasing their collective (and I do mean collective) tails over this, the longer they remain in complete disarray.
But remember what Gov Bill "Judas" Richardson (D, New Mexico) said Hillary told him after he decided to endorse Obama. "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."
I think she realizes exactly what happened. Obama's Hopey McChange routine won him the nomination, and was on track to run out of steam. There's a lot of Wright sermons, Ayers links. Hillary knows what the last 2 months of the election will do to a sham candidate.
Sadly, Obama never got a chance to run out of steam on his own. Sarah Palin turned the coronation into the Hindenburg disaster. Obama is already disintegrating, weeks before the election. And McCain hasn't even really started hitting him. Just playful jabs this far, and they're hitting like sledgehammers. What's Obama going to do against ads showing him smiling in the audience while Wright thunders "God damn America"?
Hillary saw it all coming. "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win." No way on Earth she'd go near his candidacy. You may as well hope for Santa Claus to join the ticket.
In Obama’s first big test of Presidential Authority, he fumbled the ball. Big Time.
He could have put this race away in August by swallowing his pride and selecting Hillary Clinton for the ticket. It was a move so obvious, with a pay-off so huge, that a third-grader could have gotten it right. Pick Hillary and win, or pick somebody else and risk losing. In that situation, prospective President Barack Obama picked Joe Biden, and made losing a very real possibility.
The Biden pick revealed deep insecurity and weakness. It showed insecurity because Obama accepted the criticism that he is a policy lightweight who needs others to add heft to his campaign. It showed weakness because he allowed himself to be cowed by others who hate Hillary and by Hillary herself.
In his first test of Presidential decision making, Obama revealed himself to be an insecure and weak deal-maker, who looks for the easy way out, even if that way clearly leads to disaster.
And the Donks have the nerve to criticize the Republican choice for VEEP.
There is so much dirt on Clinton, volumes could be whipped up in a New York minute.
and that ain’t happening (Santa Claus joining) because the North Pole is in Alaska and Santa is a strong Sarah Palin supporter :-D.
McCain saw something in Palin that "WE, THE PEOPLE" have been asking the Republicans for, over and over....A CONSERVATIVE. It was listening to, "the people", not politics and the media as usual, that helped him in his decision.
There's a lot of irony in all this.
Our forefathers anticipated "socialism". They set up the Senate and the Electoral College to combat it. Unfortunately, the Senate has not lived up to its' responsibilities.
We need a change IN CONGRESS and THE SUPREME COURT to get back to what was intended by our forefathers.
Just the image in people’s mind of Obama dropping Biden and putting Hillary on the ticket would look bad ? right ? the campaign dollars would drop off dramatically when they ( donors ) see that the ticket is losing or is in trouble by the fact that Obama has to CHANGE his VP in mid stride in this last stretch to the election.
It's not just low. It's nonexistant. Look, pretend you are a Democratic voter, and you'd be perfectly happy with Clinton or Obama.
Ask yourself this. "What will I and all of my Democrat friends say the day after McCain wins?"
(Aside from, "No fair, I think they only counted three of my votes.")
They're going to say, "Damn. We should have gone with Hillary."
She's doing the exact right thing. She ran a good race, she was magnanimous at the convention, now she's fading away into the background to nurse her wounds. When the Democratic party needs a champion, she'll be back. And the Democratic voters will say, "We should have gone with Hillary LAST time."
Too easy. Why muddle things up by jumping on the ticket now, just as that ticket is taking a mach 5 nosedive into the pavement?
If Hillary had run as VP with Kerry, they would have won and she MIGHT be running as Kerry’s successor. Sometimes, No. 2 is the right step to take. Egomania is a shortcoming.
The BDS has crippled the lefts thought process and they missed a golden oppertunity with the biden pick.And they damn well know it.
we’ve needed 2 things: a conservative and someone who can connect with people, like Reagan.
“There is so much dirt on Clinton, volumes could be whipped up in a New York minute.”
well the obama people realized that the clinton’s were exactly what we’ve been saying all along. I don’t think the reason why Hillary wasn’t vetted was because of spite...
Hillary probably didn’t expect Palin to be a future contender. She probably thought mccain would pick some very conservative guy or some boring guy and she’d run against him.
Rusgh’s Operation Chaos is still working!!!!!!!!!!1
Am I missing something here? Aren’t Hillary’s negatives still above 50%? What would replacing one liar with another really gain Barry? Does Hillary really want to be compared to Sarah?
“Unfortunately, the Senate has not lived up to its’ responsibilities....”
hmmm...mash here...
http://www.articlev.com/repeal_the_17th_amendment.htm
“Our forefathers anticipated “socialism”.
That’s a provocative thought. Collectivism existed in various forms throughout human history. I believe the Founders clearly understood totalitarianism, a product of socialism, and despised the practice and wrote of the stench of dictatorship in our Declaration of Independence. They just didn’t have the word “socialism” available for use or they might have penned something like “Socialism Sucks!” but in a much more eloquent way.
As I said, your statement is provocative but I don’t want to think too hard this early in the morning.
:-) (I think the coffee is ready!)
I should think that if the proposed scenario that is chugging about slightly under the radar about Hillary to replace an “ailing biden” soon, that she would become a female “also ran”.
Seems to me that Palin has stormed the scene sufficiently to put “female no matter who” in such a position.
Hillary would take a number of votes from McCain/Palin, but insufficiently to warrant her joining up with loser “O”. People celebrate a winner, not a loser, and “O” is showing us what a loser he is recently.
It seems to me that it would be charitable of Clinton to join with the loser “O” at this time in the run. Not going to happen IMO, for the Clinton’s charity starts at home.
They set up the constitution to not allow it.
The constitution had to be changed to allow the income tax, the original constitution did not allow the income tax.
"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -- Benjamin Franklin.
You are spot on. Obama is stuck with Slow Joe.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Obama has to BIG of an ego... There is now way he will take Hillary as VP.. He has no respect for women, and will never admit a woman helped him into the White House...
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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