Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

I will not vote for McCain or Obama!
Christianpatriot.com ^ | Monday, September 8th, in the year of our Lord 2008 | Pastor Rev. Robert Celeste

Posted on 09/10/2008 5:29:22 PM PDT by 30-06 Springfield

Psalm 15

My dear brothers and sisters in the Lord, please, please, please stop sending me things trying to convince me that I should vote for John McCain because he has anointed Sarah Palin as his running mate. Please understand this, I am not going to vote for either McCain or Obama.

Now, let me agree with you that Sarah Palin is the best of the four on the ballot for President and Vice President.

It is a sad day for the Republic and it is a sad commentary that the best the two major parties could come up with is Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin. But what is even sadder is the number of Christians who are so desperate for a political saviour that they are willing to put aside conscience, Christianity, and self respect to vote for McCain because he anointed the gal from Alaska. I cannot help but wonder two things, are you that desperate and fooled or is it that you can shave with your eyes closed so that you don’t have to look yourself in the face each morning? Are you not like those who rejected Jesus because He had not come as a warrior king?

Yes, Sarah Palin has been the saviour of the Republican party in Alaska. Yes she has been successful in the male world of politics. But at what cost? Her seventeen year old daughter is pregnant, unmarried and pregnant. While she has been successful as a politician and in a man’s world, how is she doing as a mom? Maybe, if Sarah had been content to be a Christian home schooling mom instead of mayor, political party saviour, governor and prima donna, her daughter might still be a maiden. Perhaps if Sarah had been at home when her kids got home from school her daughter might not be pregnant. Oh maybe she would be, but the odds are really against it.

Sarah is not at the head of the ticket, she is but McCain’s VP choice for the time being. And while you may wish to delude yourself into thinking otherwise, it is McCain, not Sarah who will be commander in chief if elected, just as it will be Obama, not Biden who will be commander in chief if he is elected. And there lies the rub. For the choice is clear, with McCain we get a hard headed, egoistical, hot tempered bully and with Obama we get a communist coward girly boy. And I am in no way convinced that having McCain the fascist bully as CIC is better than having Obama the communist coward as CIC. In either case I see neither as being any help to the Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian community of the world. For both will sign legislation making the preaching of the Biblical view of homosexuality a federal hate crime.

Now before you actually go and make your “X” for either McCain or Obama, I would like you to read a bit of Scripture, ponder it and then make your decision.

LORD, who shall abide in Thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in Thy holy hill? Will it not be he that walks uprightly, and works righteousness, and speaks the truth in his heart. He that does not backbite with his tongue, nor does evil to his neighbor, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbor.

Will it not be he in whose eyes a vile person is contemned; he honors them that fear the LORD. He that swears (makes vows to You) to his own hurt, and changes not. He that does not put out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that does these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15, a psalm of David expanded ACP/KJV)

Do you think David would have voted for McCain because he put Palin on the ballot with him? I don’t.

Back about 3500 years ago Israel was faced with a changing way of life. Moses warned them with theses words:

Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in His ways, and to fear Him.

For the LORD thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills; A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey; A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou may dig brass.

When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the LORD thy God for the good land which He hath given thee. Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping His commandments, and His judgments, and His statutes, which I command thee this day: Lest when thou hast eaten and art full, and hast built goodly houses, and dwelt therein; And when thy herds and thy flocks multiply, and thy silver and thy gold is multiplied, and all that thou hast is multiplied; Then thine heart be lifted up, and thou forget the LORD thy God, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage; Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint; Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that He might humble thee, and that He might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end; And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.

But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is He that giveth thee power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swear unto thy fathers, as it is this day. And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish. As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 8:5-20 ACP/KJV)

Can you find me a place in the Bible that even hints that you should put aside doing what is right to vote for the lesser of two evils? Can any of you dispute that John McCain is nothing more than the lesser of the two evils? Do you think that John McCain will turn his back on his friends, friends like the Kennedy’s the Kerry’s the Snowe’s and Collins of the Senate to serve you and your best interest once elected? Jesus said: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Instead of voting for the lesser of the two evils, wouldn’t it better to pray God would rescue us or a the very least protect us from the evil of both men?

Jesus further warned us: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Why would you put your faith and trust in a man with the political history of a man like McCain? A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Look, I don’t care how you vote, that is between you and the Holy Spirit that dwells within you, if you are Saved, but stop trying to convince me to compromise my values, to turn from God and His word to vote for the foul mouthed, egoistical, bully by the name of John McCain. For from this point on, with every email I get encouraging me to turn from Christ and to McCain, I am going to send, as a reply, this entire thought.

For I do not consider John McCain a success as a politician or Naval officer nor do I consider Sarah Palin a success as a mother. And I shall not vote for those I consider failures in their God ordained duties.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kittyfood; kook; loonietune; marines; mccain; nutjob; obama; palin; pantload; wacko; zot; zotbait
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-164 next last
Many of you new FReepers (after about 2002) will not remember Pastor Bob, but he used to post his thoughts here on FR every day until he did something and was banned. This is a very interesting article - read it, flame me if you want (my skin is a whole lot thicker than your weak words) but at least read through it. Go to the link for a complete list of his thoughts.

30-06 Springfield - Put meat on the table with the best cartridge ever developed.

1 posted on 09/10/2008 5:29:23 PM PDT by 30-06 Springfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Too long to read —— whoopie doopie


2 posted on 09/10/2008 5:30:42 PM PDT by BRL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Pastor Bob, is that you??


3 posted on 09/10/2008 5:31:17 PM PDT by Perdogg (Maverick - Barracuda 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Yo Momma.


4 posted on 09/10/2008 5:31:32 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
"(my skin is a whole lot thicker than your weak words)"

Ummm, nobody posted yet.

5 posted on 09/10/2008 5:31:59 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (NObama is the face of evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster; Squantos; Jeff Head; Lion Den Dan; the irate magistrate; Lurker; Larry Lucido

This just popped up - a voice from the past.


6 posted on 09/10/2008 5:32:05 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Well, if you want to keep reading the Bible, instead of the Quran (Koran), you had better vote McCain/Palin.


7 posted on 09/10/2008 5:32:13 PM PDT by EagleUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
You, therefore, being without sin, shall cast the first stone, eh?
8 posted on 09/10/2008 5:32:22 PM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Darn, thought I was the 1st!


9 posted on 09/10/2008 5:32:35 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (NObama is the face of evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
What exactly does he mean? McCain isn't saved? Is that it? So, don't vote. Who gives a hoot.
10 posted on 09/10/2008 5:33:40 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

If he wishes people to please, please not send him sh** urging him to vote for McCain, then why are you posting this crap here. If he doesn’t want to vote that is his choice, just don’t try to make it ours.


11 posted on 09/10/2008 5:34:43 PM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

News flash.

Man is corrupt.

There is no pure man to vote for period.

So the choice is down to corrupt people, some more than others. Grow up.


12 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:00 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

for a conservative to vote for no one is to vote for the Obamination.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:04 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Don’t really give a crap, Pastor Bob.
Who is Pastor Melissa Scott voting for?


14 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:19 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Let me guess why he was kicked out of FR. Perfect intolerance?

Peter denied Christ three times on the evening before his crucifixion. But Jesus told him that he was the rock on which he would build His Church. And we see him leading the Church and preaching to the multitudes in Acts, after God sent an angel to release him from prison.

And he’s saying he can’t vote for Palin because her daughter made a mistake but has corrected it, plans to marry, and plans to have a child of that marriage? Would he prefer that she had aborted the kid and kept it all under the radar?

Sorry, but as a Christian this whole incident makes me MORE inclined to vote for Palin and to admire her family.

We are all sinners. The question is, do we seek God’s forgivenness and by His grace straighten things out?


15 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Well good luck to the perfect candidate you’re promoting for President and Vice President then.


16 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:30 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
And we care... because...?
17 posted on 09/10/2008 5:36:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: arasina
McCain isn't saved?

How would this guy know?

Pure opinion!

18 posted on 09/10/2008 5:36:21 PM PDT by lonestar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Yikes! I thought all the liberals were the angry sounding people. This guy sounds angry and a bit like the baptist church folks who feel it is their duty to protest soldier funerals as past of their religious expression. And we wonder why people are not drawn to Jesus? I somehow think Jesus would not have been this harsh. When Jesus provided correction, he usually addressed it to those who were using their brand of religion to parade their flesh and to use it to beat down those they saw below themselves. I think this kind of rant is fuel to the fire of unbelief.


19 posted on 09/10/2008 5:36:32 PM PDT by truthingod
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calex59

Who cares? It’s your right.(To aid the dark side) May the force be with you grasshopper.


20 posted on 09/10/2008 5:37:14 PM PDT by refermech
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
McCain sacrificed a lot for our great country and he is going to make a great President. Sarah Palin is a great mother and she will make a great Vice President.

If this priest wants to defend the right to life of the unborn then he should vote for McCain because Obama is one of the worst abortionist to run for President.

21 posted on 09/10/2008 5:37:57 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
I will not vote for McCain or Obama!

Will you go away?
22 posted on 09/10/2008 5:38:10 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
"Why would you put your faith and trust in a man with the political history of a man like McCain? A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things."

Faith? Trust? Who EVER said anything about having faith or trust in McCain??? Certainly not me.

But sitting on your haunches while BOTH Houses of the Congress, as well as the Presidency, fall into the hands of the Mob is NOT my idea of being a faithful Christian.

Jesus wanted ACTS from his diciples, not just words of praise. And he sure had no use for Sophistry.

23 posted on 09/10/2008 5:38:19 PM PDT by justkate
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
he used to post his thoughts here on FR every day until he did something and was banned.

I think I see the problem.

He's a loon.

24 posted on 09/10/2008 5:38:26 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Carl LaFong

I think Whooptie Dooptie pretty much sums it up.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 5:39:00 PM PDT by melstew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: refermech
Who cares? It’s your right.(To aid the dark side) May the force be with you grasshopper.

What the hell are you talking about? My right to what and who cares what? What dark side? Voting for McCain/Palin is the dark side now? I think you read the wrong post and if you didn't perhaps you should take a reading comprehension class soon!

26 posted on 09/10/2008 5:39:48 PM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

“...because he anointed the gal from Alaska ...”??


27 posted on 09/10/2008 5:39:55 PM PDT by sofaman (Moses dragged us through the desert for 40 years to the one place in the ME with no oil - Golda Meir)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
Do you think David would have voted for McCain because he put Palin on the ballot with him? I don’t.

As King of a Theocracy, I don't know what David HaMelekh (`alayv hashalom) would have thought of voting at all.

David was, btw, very much a warrior king.

28 posted on 09/10/2008 5:40:01 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher-`asah lekha `Amaleq baderekh betze'tkhem miMitzrayim.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

“I will not vote for McCain or Obama!”

Neither will I. I’m voting for Sara and if that old RINO has to be part of the mix....so be it.


29 posted on 09/10/2008 5:40:26 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/index.php)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Does Pastor Bob have a 501(c)(3) foundation? Political messages are an IRS no no.


30 posted on 09/10/2008 5:40:42 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPPachyderm

Come to think of it, David wasn’t a very successful Father but God still used him.


31 posted on 09/10/2008 5:41:37 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield; All

I don’t care what Pastor Bob thinks.. He is a twit..


32 posted on 09/10/2008 5:41:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

I can read this, or I can scoop my right eye out of my skull like a grape.

I’m still deciding.


33 posted on 09/10/2008 5:41:52 PM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
Can you find me a place in the Bible that even hints that you should put aside doing what is right to vote for the lesser of two evils?

What if voting for the lesser of two evils is doing what is right? After all, not voting for McCain basically equals voting for Obama - who even "Pastor Bob" acknowledges is the greater of the two evils - so not voting for McCain is in actually HELPING the greater of the two evils, which I'm pretty sure isn't what god wants real Christians to do.

"Pastor Bob" seems to be under the erroneous impression that Christians have the duty to "Christianise" the government (which is why he seems insistent that we should only vote for born-again Christians). This suggests (and I don't know, but am extrapolating some seemingly logical conclusions) that his views are some sort of Reconstructionism or some other related heresy that depends on amillennialism and the notion that the "church will bring in the kingdom". If this is so, I would suggest that "Pastor Bob" invest some time re-reading the relevant portions of Scripture, rather than lecturing us all on how we should vote.

34 posted on 09/10/2008 5:41:55 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: melstew
Apparently this man just doesn't understand what a privilege it is to vote so he scoffs at it. My family already has the lost vote to make up for his decision not to vote. I might suggest someone revoke his privilege if he's not going to use it. People like this shouldn't be given that right. I swear some people are too dense.
35 posted on 09/10/2008 5:42:28 PM PDT by cosmic_me (Stop picking your nose. People are watching.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
but at least read through it.

I made it through the first sentence.

36 posted on 09/10/2008 5:42:59 PM PDT by E=MC2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
I suggest the right Rev do some more praying on the subject and specifically ask the questions of " the lesser of two evils?" and or, "Is there and has there ever been a perfect politician?"

Thinking as he does, he would likely vote for the end times "Mr.Perfect" who is supposed to be coming and if true, may be here already. (I once thought it was Clinton)

I don't like McCain worth a damn and don't expect much from him and his, but the Messiah Obama scares the hell out of me.

37 posted on 09/10/2008 5:43:05 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calex59

Will do, I just skimmed it. Thought you were saying something else. My apologies.


38 posted on 09/10/2008 5:43:15 PM PDT by refermech
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
Another one with his head in the clouds. Im glad that we have your piousness to look up to...”so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good”, ring any bells??
39 posted on 09/10/2008 5:43:22 PM PDT by TheGunny (God is love)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EagleUSA

Obama trashing the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=4FCNKwHRCQM&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i1.ytimg.com/vi/4FCNKwHRCQM/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLSHRcTE4OxSV-n9dlO4Wsx&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1


40 posted on 09/10/2008 5:43:50 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a friend and pal in SARAH!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

I think you might be on to something. The job of POTUS may be God’s punishment. You know He does have a sense of humor - proof that we are made in His image.

Just thinkin’ out loud.


41 posted on 09/10/2008 5:43:53 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Satire - a heartbeat away from the truth!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield
Banned?
Palin not a success as a mother?
No perfect candidate? duh!
Hey pick ten things that are important and vote for the team who comes closest.
If I ran for office I would be the perfect candidate for me 9 outa 10 items.
No one is a perfect candidate.
Huh banned?
42 posted on 09/10/2008 5:44:12 PM PDT by svcw (http://baskettastic.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cosmic_me

Added to my post above...

To everyone no matter what party you are affiliated with. No matter who it is you support. PLEASE get out and vote. We take this privilege way too much for granite. Don’t be a fool and walk away from it.


43 posted on 09/10/2008 5:44:23 PM PDT by cosmic_me (Stop picking your nose. People are watching.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Yeah, I didn’t realise that people got to vote back in ancient Near Eastern theocracies. Vote David/Benaiah 960 BC, anyone?


44 posted on 09/10/2008 5:44:32 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

I won’t vote for Obama or McCain. I will vote for Palin.


45 posted on 09/10/2008 5:45:11 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 30-06 Springfield

Wow - what a load of doodie.


46 posted on 09/10/2008 5:45:15 PM PDT by Scarchin (nObama - Keep the change!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grunthor

Well, to be correct, you will be voting for McCain’s electors. And yes, they can change their minds.....but rarely do.


47 posted on 09/10/2008 5:45:51 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

god = God


48 posted on 09/10/2008 5:45:54 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: sweetiepiezer

Obama trashing the Bible.
::::::::::::::
Food for the Communist left in America.


49 posted on 09/10/2008 5:46:11 PM PDT by EagleUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: E=MC2
I made it through the first sentence.

You didn't miss anything.

50 posted on 09/10/2008 5:46:13 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-164 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson