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Another (Australian) navy sub forced to dry-dock because of crew shortages
The Australian ^ | September 11, 2008 | Mark Dodd and Matthew Franklin

Posted on 09/10/2008 2:28:26 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Another navy sub forced to dry-dock because of crew shortages

Mark Dodd and Matthew Franklin | September 11, 2008

THE Royal Australian Navy is set to move the fourth of its six Collins-class submarines into dry dock because of crew shortages, undermining Kevin Rudd's plans for a massive upgrade in naval resources to counter a military build-up inAsia.

Defence analysts warned yesterday that severe skills shortages meant the navy could not crew its existing vessels, let alone new assets proposed by the Prime Minister in a major speech to the Returned and Services League on Tuesday night.

Mr Rudd told the RSL that financial prosperity in the Asian region was fuelling an arms race and that Australia must respond by upgrading its military forces, particularly the RAN, which has just 37 vessels, including six submarines.

While Mr Rudd mentioned no particular nations, his comments have been widely interpreted as a warning about China's continuing expansion of its navy, particularly its fleet of nuclear submarines.

As Mr Rudd intensified his language yesterday, saying Australia needed to be a "maritime power" and protect its shipping lanes to maintain trade, defence analyst Allan Behm said the RAN was struggling to retain highly skilled technicians.

Mr Behm, a consultant to universities and the defence industry, said that with three Collins-class submarines now inoperable because of crew shortages, the navy faced the real prospect of mothballing another within six months.

"This is now a real problem for the submarines and somebody has to be brought to account," Mr Behm told The Australian.

"(Chief of Navy) Vice-Admiral Russell Crane has a big task ahead."

Lowy Institute fellow and Australian National University professor Hugh White accused the Government of failing to demand action from senior Defence officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; geopolitics; navy; ran; submarine

1 posted on 09/10/2008 2:28:27 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This sure doesn’t sound good.


2 posted on 09/10/2008 2:30:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

what is going on here? Not paying enough?


3 posted on 09/10/2008 2:32:34 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Or rather the Mining industry is offering more.


4 posted on 09/10/2008 2:35:53 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Or rather the Mining industry is offering more.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 2:36:11 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

so what is goin on here, I would think that Australia would have a big navy and a good one because of it’s geography

can any aussie explain


6 posted on 09/10/2008 2:37:55 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick Ma sham marriage - -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Need to increase the grog ration...???


7 posted on 09/10/2008 2:42:51 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: manc
so what is goin on here, I would think that Australia would have a big navy and a good one because of it’s geography

can any aussie explain Will they go so non-defense that they may as well lower their flag and replace it with a Chinese, Islamic, or some other flag? Maybe they could contract with India for defense.

8 posted on 09/10/2008 3:07:59 PM PDT by Dagny&Hank
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I think it is the normal story a lack of NCO’s after a long period of low funding. Most of the guys who would be petty officers got out after their first enlistments. Sort of like us in 1980 and and to some degree 2000.


9 posted on 09/10/2008 3:14:20 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I think it is the normal story, a lack of NCO’s after a long period of low funding. Most of the guys who would be petty officers got out after their first enlistments. Sort of like us in 1980 and and to some degree 2000.


10 posted on 09/10/2008 3:14:38 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ClayinVA; sukhoi-30mki

What is up with the double post?


11 posted on 09/10/2008 3:38:22 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: ClayinVA; sukhoi-30mki

What is up with the double post?


12 posted on 09/10/2008 3:38:36 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: manc; sukhoi-30mki
so what is goin on here, I would think that Australia would have a big navy and a good one because of it’s geography

can any aussie explain

Australia has a very good navy and a reasonably sizeable one - although it's not as big as it should be or could be.

The problem with the subs is basically that sukhoi mentioned - Australia has recently enjoyed a massive mineral boom which has meant mining companies have needed an unprecedented number of workers, in general, and experienced technicians, in particular. These companies are prepared to pay incredibly high salaries - far higher than the Defence Force can - and that's both cutting into the areas the ADF taps for recruitment of general hand type sailors, and also making moving from defence into a private company very attractive to experienced NCOs and officers.

The navy pays very large bonuses and allowances to try and keep submariners in the service, but even $50,000 bonuses and $80,000 a year starting salaries aren't enough to compete anymore.

13 posted on 09/11/2008 12:36:40 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

One thing about Aussie personnel shortage that’s always interested me is how long does it take for a submariner to leave for the private sector if he’s being poached?? I mean do they leave at the end of their commissions or are discharge rules liberal?? I know this might sound stalinistic, but you would need to tighten procedures then.Submariners don’t get their skills for free.Besides,this is about national security!!


14 posted on 09/11/2008 6:07:08 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: naturalman1975

Wow.


15 posted on 09/11/2008 6:13:24 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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