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The Spending Explosion [more like a spending orgy]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2008-09-10

Posted on 09/10/2008 7:39:52 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Here's a prediction: The media will report today that the federal budget deficit is big and getting bigger. What most of them won't report, alas, is that the cause of these deficits is an explosion in federal spending. The era of big government is back, bigger than ever. [The Spending Explosion]

The real news in yesterday's Congressional Budget Office semiannual report is that federal expenditures on everything from roads to homeland security to health care will on present trends reach 21.5% of GDP next year. That's a larger share of national output than at anytime since 1992. If the cost of the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac prove to be large and are taken into account, next year federal outlays could be higher as a share of the economy than at anytime since World War II. In this decade alone, federal spending has increased by almost $1.2 trillion, or 57%.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; biggovernment; election; electionpresident; elections; fanniemae; freddiemac; govwatch; libertarianping; lp; mccain; obama; spending
The point to keep in mind is that this big spending blitz is coming even before a new President and Congress arrive next year with far more spending promises in tow. As they contemplate their choice for President, voters might want to consider which of the candidates is likely to be a check on Congressional appetites, rather than a facilitator.

Who's going to bailout the next President?

1 posted on 09/10/2008 7:39:53 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; TigerLikesRooster

ping


2 posted on 09/10/2008 7:40:44 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: qam1

Sucks for the next generation ping.


3 posted on 09/10/2008 7:43:10 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Will they also fully blame the present Congress, which is controlled by a Democratic Party majority?


4 posted on 09/10/2008 7:43:29 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: rabscuttle385

“alas, is that the cause of these deficits is an explosion in federal spending”

and the failure of the Presidential veto, the new tone and liberal Republicans sprouting like crab grass.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 7:44:03 AM PDT by JackRyanCIA (Get a rush. Drive real fast and take chances!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Will they also fully blame the present Congress, which is controlled by a Democratic Party majority?

Read the article again.

FTA:

The CBO says that, merely in the two years that Democrats have run Congress, federal expenditures are up $429 billion -- to $3.158 trillion.

Rather than sort through priorities, Congress is spending more on just about everything.

Meanwhile, remember that "pay as you go" spending promise that Speaker Nancy Pelosi made in 2006? We called it a ruse at the time, and the last two years have proved it.

The problem with the Federal debt gluttony is that it transcends both parties and has been going on for decades.

What happens when the trough is finally empty and our hosts (debt buyers and holders) are unwilling to refill it?

6 posted on 09/10/2008 7:46:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

They go down too. Their economies are linked to ours.


7 posted on 09/10/2008 7:49:06 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I'd imagine these debt figures are based on the Congressional Report rather than the significantly worse(more realistic) accounting by corporate _standards_.

These debt figures are also limited to Federal funded activities verses all levels of USA government: state, county & region, funded and unfunded liabilities. This combined liability/debt would knock the socks clean off most citizens.

8 posted on 09/10/2008 8:04:32 AM PDT by veracious
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To: rabscuttle385
This is the unspoken, unacknowledged pressure that is being brought to bear on oil and gas exploration.

Politicians realize that oil and gas royalties, and further taxes, will fund a great deal of their spending.

Look at Alaska and how they are participating in a $40 Billion pipeline project - that means that the value of the gas far exceeds $40B - and there will be taxes on the workers building it, royalties once the gas is flowing, taxes on this, taxes on that.

This is not a slam against anyone, I am just saying that politicians will figure that if Americans are spending money on something (energy) then some of that money should be going to Washington.

9 posted on 09/10/2008 8:04:35 AM PDT by ikka
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To: rabscuttle385

Not only are they spending too much, they are spending it in the wrong places. And the Democrat controlled congress is not sticking to its' pay as you go promise.

10 posted on 09/10/2008 8:09:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog (He that lives upon hope will die fasting. - Ben Franklin)
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To: rabscuttle385

Too much spending and too little economic growth. The GOP is as much to blame as the Donks.


11 posted on 09/10/2008 8:10:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Right, debt isn’t really debt? When we can longer fund it there will be collapse the likes of which you’ve never seen. Don’t listen to the Harvard boys fables.


12 posted on 09/10/2008 8:11:12 AM PDT by veracious
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To: veracious

But they can just print more money and that will make everything OK, right?

As Walter Williams says, when someone is caught counterfeiting, they should just say they were engaging in monetary policy.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 8:16:10 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: rabscuttle385

Some of us have been fighting this spending MADNESS for many years.

Unfortunately, not many others felt it was – or would become – a serious problem.

Trust me, it is NOW A SERIOUS PROBLEM, one the feds may not be able to print their way out of.

What saddens me most is that Newt either squandered or let slip HIS chance to get a grip on it. And, no, I’m NOT picking on Newt. WE’RE ALL GUILTY!!

In this 2 minute clip, he seems to be trying to tell us that he took a shot at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIo8FJJMps8


14 posted on 09/10/2008 8:16:39 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIo8FJJMps8)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Some of us have been fighting this spending MADNESS for many years.

Unfortunately, not many others felt it was – or would become – a serious problem.

Trust me, it is NOW A SERIOUS PROBLEM, one the feds may not be able to print their way out of.

What saddens me most is that Newt either squandered or let slip HIS chance to get a grip on it. And, no, I’m NOT picking on Newt. WE’RE ALL GUILTY!!

In this 2 minute clip, he seems to be trying to tell us that he took a shot at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIo8FJJMps8


15 posted on 09/10/2008 8:17:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIo8FJJMps8)
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To: IrishCatholic; veracious
When we can longer fund it there will be collapse the likes of which you’ve never seen.

There are only so many ways out, once the collapse has begun: the U.S. Government can use its sovereign power of taxation to directly seize assets (not just income) of households to service debt; businesses could be nationalized and profits used to service debt; or the U.S. Government could simply replace the U.S. dollar with a new currency.

Are we familiar with the phrase "not worth a Continental"? (Hopefully yes.)

Remember that every dollar you hold, whether paper currency in your hand or on deposit at the bank, is a liability of the Federal Reserve System, backed by U.S. Government debt (mostly). If U.S. debt becomes worthless, your U.S. dollar becomes worthless.

16 posted on 09/10/2008 8:19:29 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
Next up: votes on $50 billion for Detroit auto firms, an $80 billion energy bill, as much as $50 billion for spending masked as a "second stimulus," plus $100 billion or more for the Fannie and Freddie rescue. Rather than sort through priorities, Congress is spending more on just about everything.

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17 posted on 09/10/2008 9:06:35 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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18 posted on 09/10/2008 9:26:03 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: rabscuttle385

***The era of big government is back***

When did it ever go away?


19 posted on 09/10/2008 9:32:00 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: rabscuttle385

*** What happens when the trough is finally empty and our hosts (debt buyers and holders) are unwilling to refill it?***

We raise taxes or print the money. Either way will devastate the economy. We either have our dollars stolen, or we have their value stolen through devaluation.


20 posted on 09/10/2008 9:34:10 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: Moonman62

***Too much spending and too little economic growth. The GOP is as much to blame as the Donks.***

And let’s not forget it.


21 posted on 09/10/2008 9:35:50 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: Pining_4_TX

***As Walter Williams says, when someone is caught counterfeiting, they should just say they were engaging in monetary policy.***

That would be hilarious if it wasn’t so depressingly true.


22 posted on 09/10/2008 9:37:19 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: rabscuttle385

That is why we need someone in the Whitehouse like Sarah Palin who isn’t afraid to use the veto pen on spending.

Unfortunately, somehow the courts decided that the “line-item” VETO was unconstitutional....


23 posted on 09/10/2008 10:01:18 AM PDT by TheBattman (A vote for the "lesser evil" is still a vote for evil!)
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To: smokingfrog

Boy - how spending is upside down!

So many parts of that list the Government has ZERO legitimate reason to have any hand at all in..

The only two categories in that list that I see a LEGITIMATE reason for increased funding (and would actually like to see more):

National Defense (we are truly facing a world on the edge - and we need the resources to be prepare.

Veterans Benefits - we have to take care of those who defend us and have given a part of their life for our country.


24 posted on 09/10/2008 10:14:09 AM PDT by TheBattman (A vote for the "lesser evil" is still a vote for evil!)
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To: TheBattman
That is why we need someone in the Whitehouse like Sarah Palin who isn’t afraid to use the veto pen on spending.

The problem is that in order to get Palin we have to go through McCain.

Much damage can be done before a fiscal conservative gets in...enough damage that even the best can't really do much more than let the system collapse under its own weight.

25 posted on 09/10/2008 10:18:26 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
enough damage that even the best can't really do much more than let the system collapse under its own weight.

And I believe we are FAR closer to that point than most people will admit. How can we possibly continue to exist as a country with such out-of-control deficit spending?

In my opinion, there are VERY few things that are worthy of the Federal Government spending borrowed money...

It is the vast insane social programs (from SS, Welfare, Education, etc.) that are going to bankrupt this country - and none of those social programs are constitutionally viable.

http://www.myheritagemedia.org/MediaDetail.aspx?MID=5909

26 posted on 09/10/2008 12:07:34 PM PDT by TheBattman (A vote for the "lesser evil" is still a vote for evil!)
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To: TheBattman
and none of those social programs are constitutionally viable.

The fact of the matter is that the Government has failed at its two most basic tasks: protecting us from external, foreign enemies and protecting us from internal threats. The 9/11 terrorist attacks and the continued nonchalance with regards to illegal aliens (particularly the ones with criminal records) are evidence for both.

Instead we borrow our way into the hole with all sorts of unconstitutional Socialist tripe.

27 posted on 09/10/2008 12:20:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
The CBO says that, merely in the two years that Democrats have run Congress, federal expenditures are up $429 billion -- to $3.158 trillion.

Which means that in the 6 years prior, when Republicans ran the show, federal expenditures were up over $800 billion. And that's an improvement how?

Anyone who really thinks that either candidate will reign in spending is only deluding themselves.

28 posted on 09/10/2008 12:26:11 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TheBattman

The line item veto is rightfully unconstitutional. The veto power pertains to the whole bill, not parts of it. There are obviously aspects of the line item veto power that are appealing such as trimming pork etc. however there are dangerous aspects that go along with that power. Basically a line item veto insures that the president gets what HE wants out of a bill. If in the case of a bipartisan compromise bill, a president should cut out all the things one side wanted that made the bill a compromise, where would the incentive be to ever compromise on a bill?

The line item veto gives the president a certain degree of legislative power since he is in effect editing the bill that comes from Congress rather than approving or rejecting the bill. Congress legislates and the president enforces.

JMO


29 posted on 09/10/2008 2:04:17 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: TheBattman

I agree. Call me backwards or old fashioned, but somehow I get the idea that the federal government is only allowed to do what the Constitution specifically allows it to do, with remaining powers reserved to the states or to the people, so long as the Constitution has not already specifically denied those powers to the same.

Defense (including veterans’ benefits) would/should make up the bulk of spending. Then there would be things like government salaries, jails, post offices, and the various costs of laws enacted in compliance with and to carry out these powers.


30 posted on 09/10/2008 2:10:12 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: TheBattman

*** And I believe we are FAR closer to that point than most people will admit. How can we possibly continue to exist as a country with such out-of-control deficit spending?

In my opinion, there are VERY few things that are worthy of the Federal Government spending borrowed money...

It is the vast insane social programs (from SS, Welfare, Education, etc.) that are going to bankrupt this country - and none of those social programs are constitutionally viable.***

Couldn’t agree more.


31 posted on 09/10/2008 2:11:42 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: smokingfrog

Why are we paying for “community development”?


32 posted on 09/10/2008 7:36:55 PM PDT by Desdemona (On top of everything else, the Palin pick coaxed this FReeper out of posting and pinging retirement.)
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