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Fecund In Command (Mark Steyn On The Left's Hostility To Large Families Alert)
National Review ^ | 9/04/2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 09/04/2008 10:39:38 AM PDT by goldstategop

As National Review's in-house demography bore, I've been struck this last week by the left's fierce hostility to Sarah Palin's fecundity. One gentleman - well, okay, maybe not a "gentleman" but certainly an impeccably sensitive progressive new male - wrote to me from Shelton, Washington:

This abortion prohibitionist hag won’t cut it among women with brains.And BTW she is a good example of reproduction run amok. 5 kids; 1 retard. I wonder if the bitch ever heard of getting spayed.

Each to her own, Mister Sensitive. You can be a 44-year old mother of five expecting her first grandchild and serving as Governor of Alaska. Or you can be, like Martha Stewart's daughter Alexis, a 43-year old single "career woman" hosting a satellite radio show and spending $28,000 a month on "intracytoplasmic sperm injection" in hopes of becoming pregnant. Every woman has the "right to choose" her own path through life, but it's a lazy assumption to take for granted that most Americans find Sarah Palin's choices as freakish as our metropolitan elites do.

What was it the feminists used to say? "You can have it all." Sarah Palin is a mom, and the first female governor of her state. But the enforcers at the National Organization of Women dismiss her as "more a conservative man than she is a woman".

Golly. These days, NOW seems to have as narrow and proscriptive a view of what women are permitted to be as any old 1950s sitcom dad.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: demography; liberalism; marksteyn; mccainpalin; nationalreview; palin; palinfamily; sarahpallin; steyn
For the Left, a family with five children is three too many. Their ideal is none. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 09/04/2008 10:39:39 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

The Left’s idea of a family...a transgendered/gay illegal immigrant on welfare who volunteers at PETA, Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood.


2 posted on 09/04/2008 10:42:27 AM PDT by wac3rd (Carter80/Obama08)
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To: goldstategop

The guy would be much happier in communist China.


3 posted on 09/04/2008 10:42:44 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If the election were today, Obama would win.........in Europe.)
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To: goldstategop

To the left, only welfare queens and ROP members should have lots of children..


4 posted on 09/04/2008 10:42:53 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: goldstategop

To the left, only welfare queens and ROP members should have lots of children..


5 posted on 09/04/2008 10:43:21 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: goldstategop

That is simply the best title for an article that I have ever seen.


6 posted on 09/04/2008 10:45:04 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: goldstategop

As they say, Republicans like the kill taxes and raise babies, and Democrats like to raise taxes and kill babies.

Why the election should be even close... I have no idea!


7 posted on 09/04/2008 10:47:07 AM PDT by gridlock (The deer herd that lives around Camp David in Maryland is suddenly nervous...)
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To: goldstategop
But the enforcers at the National Organization of Women dismiss her as "more a conservative man than she is a woman".

And the problem with that is what exactly?

Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
Eternally noble, historically fair;
Who when you win will always give your back a pat.
Why can't a woman be like that?

Why does ev'ryone do what the others do?
Can't a woman learn to use her head?
Why do they do everything their mothers do?
Why don't they grow up like their father instead?

8 posted on 09/04/2008 10:53:53 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Does anyone remember the olden days when the US presidential election was boring?)
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To: goldstategop
Steyn nails it again!


9 posted on 09/04/2008 10:54:02 AM PDT by Antoninus (McCain/Palin -- The winning ticket!)
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To: goldstategop

I wouldn’t want to have 5 kids, but I don’t begrude anyone else doing so, assuming they have the ability to take care of them.

There’s no “right” answer here- for some people, zero kids is the right number, for others it is ten.


10 posted on 09/04/2008 10:54:54 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: johniegrad
LOL - I think you're right ... I had to look it up myself ;o) -------------------------------------------------

fecund
Main Entry: Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin fecundus — more at feminine Date: 15th century 1 : fruitful in offspring or vegetation : prolific 2 : intellectually productive or inventive to a marked degree synonyms see fertile
11 posted on 09/04/2008 10:58:35 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: goldstategop
The “sensitive progressive new man” has his own diary at Daily KOS, you can be sure.

The bilge, the venom that oozes from the pus-filled minds of the “progressive” left does little but expose them for the hateful hypocrites they are, and their cherished notions about themselves but an exercise in self-deception.

12 posted on 09/04/2008 10:59:54 AM PDT by mojito
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To: goldstategop

I know why the left hates large families, heck, families in general. Families are an entity of mutual support and defense, something that the left wants the state to do for everyone, to promote dependence. The Palins full support of their daughter and the new grandchild just makes them furious inside. That’s the state’s job!

Another aspect of families and children. Children teach parents about the parents’ relationship with the heavenly Father. They teach us about disobedience and rebellion and unconditional love. They teach us to not be self centered.

Satan, and his God hating minions on the left, see a huge advantage of taking away this learning about the Father from the individual human.


13 posted on 09/04/2008 11:02:02 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Citizen Blade

As a fifth child, I am altogether happy that my parents had five children. Of course, they did not “decide” to have a single one of them...


14 posted on 09/04/2008 11:03:22 AM PDT by gridlock (The deer herd that lives around Camp David in Maryland is suddenly nervous...)
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To: goldstategop
There are so many cultural distinctions between these tickets they should be hammered home - especially since the Democrats have based their campaign on personal narratives and vague promises of "change."

Barack Obama's personal narrative is that he has been involved in politics his whole adult life, starting with NYPIRG right after college and then on to the infamous Chicago political machine.

Joe Biden started off as a lawyer for a political lobbying firm right out of law school and ran for Senate two years later - he's been a Senator ever since.

In contrast, McCain did not enter politics until after spending 27 years in the Armed Forces.

Sarah Palin spent several years a small businesswoman and a mother before she got involved in politics - and she got involved as a concerned citizen, not as someone who had spent their entire previous life being groomed for office.

For both people on the Republican ticket, politics is a second career - not a lifetime obsession.

Another contrast:

John McCain is the son of a patriot and war hero and his proudly American wife. Sarah Palin is the daughter of a patriotic middle American couple.

Joe Biden may have come from a normal American family, but he has been a Beltway insider for more than half his life.

And Barack Obama? His father was not an America-loving immigrant, but an America-disdaining tourist who was just passing through. His mother abandoned America and only returned to study for brief periods, devoting her life to research and policy work in Indonesia and Pakistan.

For the Democrat ticket, America is a vehicle.

For the Republican ticket it's home.

15 posted on 09/04/2008 11:07:36 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: goldstategop

I cannot fully describe how utterly delicious it is to see these hypocritical gender ideologues so well and truly hoisted upon their own petard.


16 posted on 09/04/2008 11:10:40 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: sheik yerbouty
I have been struck by the hostility shown by the Left to Sarah's belief in abstinence education. The debate about the existence and nature of sex education in the schools has taken place in this country for at least the last 45 years. Back in the day, the debate was about whether sex education should be taught in the home or in the schools. Today the debate is about whether children should be encouraged to refrain from sex outside of marriage. If they are attending a public school in California, it is a given that they will be taught how to put a condom on a banana. Only the abstinence part is negotiable.

This change in the sex education debate is symptomatic of a sea change in America's attitude toward sex. Forty-five years ago sex was regarded primarily as a loving embrace by two people within the institution of marriage. Today it is a casual activity between "friends with special benefits."

What are the consequences of this change? Dramatically increased rates of STD infection among young people, increased divorce rates, more children being raised in poverty, delayed adolescence particularly among young men, delays in the formation of families, smaller families, and in general a more juvenile, less productive, and less responsible society.

What has caused this change? Among other things, the pill and the resulting sexual revolution of the Sixties and Seventies, Hollywood (which uses nudity and casual sex to sell inferior product), Madison Avenue (which uses sex to sell even the most mundane of products), and the denigration of the role and importance of the father by some feminists, the family courts, and once again Hollywood.

Sarah's large family and her belief in teaching and practicing abstinence outside of marriage, are ridiculed by the Left because they are a threat to what has become the status quo in which the Left has become so invested that they are unable to see, or are willing to tolerate, the damage it has caused to our country.

17 posted on 09/04/2008 11:23:54 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: gridlock

Amen! I also am a fifth child. My mother had terrible back problems after her fourth and doctors advised her against having more, but lucky for me she did not listen to them. After I was born it was so bad that she had a hysterectomy so she could not have any more babies. She told me she would have had at least one more and maybe two if she could have (and she was 35 when she had me!).


18 posted on 09/04/2008 11:28:16 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (RIP Tony Snow, great American, father, and Christian)
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To: p. henry

Here’s one: 16 children. Dad always worked two jobs, never owned a car, and never owned a home. Mom came from a single parent home - mom only. 3 children have BA or BS degrees. 13 are doctorate or masters level educated.


19 posted on 09/04/2008 11:29:52 AM PDT by healy61
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; Aiko; ...
Alouette has 9 kids, 21 grandkids. Bite me, liberals.

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20 posted on 09/04/2008 11:42:30 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: goldstategop

A few years ago, my dad had a genealogy done on his mother’s side of the family. We were able to trace our German ancestors back to the 17th-century. Well, to make a long story short, one of my direct ancestors (a great, great, great...grandfather) happened to be the youngest of sixteen children.

If his mother had thought a family of five children was too many, I would not be here today.


21 posted on 09/04/2008 11:52:18 AM PDT by Deo volente (The New York Times: All the News That Fits, We Print.)
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To: Alouette

Don’t hold back,vicious babushka, tell us how you REALLY feel! ;>) (Thanks for the laugh)


22 posted on 09/04/2008 12:05:33 PM PDT by BruceysMom (My heart is in Wyoming)
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To: goldstategop
What was it the feminists used to say? “You can have it all.”

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That was just the line they used to pedal their vile poison apples. The line they used to get women away from the home, children, husbands and entrap them in their commie socialist workforce. Witches, bait and switch artists, cons and entrapment artists who's jealous, dead hearts are set on the death of innocent children and their own selfish desires.

23 posted on 09/04/2008 12:06:12 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: p. henry

Well said!


24 posted on 09/04/2008 1:27:17 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: goldstategop

How are they supposed to hate large families and still love muslims? Over here muslims have families of like 6 children at least.


25 posted on 09/04/2008 2:58:14 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: p. henry
I have been struck by the hostility shown by the Left to Sarah's belief in abstinence education. The debate about the existence and nature of sex education in the schools has taken place in this country for at least the last 45 years. Back in the day, the debate was about whether sex education should be taught in the home or in the schools. Today the debate is about whether children should be encouraged to refrain from sex outside of marriage. If they are attending a public school in California, it is a given that they will be taught how to put a condom on a banana. Only the abstinence part is negotiable.

The left and its stooge media doesn't get that abstinence education is something where each month, each year you can get your child to abstain is a triumph in today's America

So many teen girls are getting slutted out at age 13,14 where by the time they are 18 they are kind of "high mileage"
Abstinence education worked great until Bristol was 17 but was a success for 4 years. A pregnant 17 year old is a lot more acceptable than a pregnant 14 year old which is all too common
Plus it's doubtful Bristol was doing lots of experimenting. She had some nice loving respectful sex with the hockey player, got pregnant, and just like it should be they will get married. They will have to grow up faster but will handle the baby just fine with the support network of both families. They are lifted by this familial love and so will the baby, and good luck to them!

26 posted on 09/04/2008 3:31:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! ::::::::::: Never bet on Islam!)
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To: knighthawk
How are they supposed to hate large families and still love muslims? Over here muslims have families of like 6 children at least.

That's terrible news. Terrible demographics. The USA has similar problems

27 posted on 09/04/2008 3:34:12 PM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! ::::::::::: Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Rennes Templar

Too bad his mom wasn’t “spayed”. Probably would have bitten the veterinarian if he had tried....


28 posted on 09/04/2008 3:51:47 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: MrB

Post of the Year! Maybe of All Time!

100% spot on.


29 posted on 09/04/2008 4:00:57 PM PDT by don-o (Avoid the rush. Donate to FR today. Do the RIGHT thing.)
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To: gridlock
(The deer herd that lives around Camp David in Maryland is suddenly nervous...)

Ha!! I could see that caption on a Farside cartoon..........

30 posted on 09/04/2008 4:04:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Esther Ruth
"...That was just the line they used to pedal their vile poison apples. The line they used to get women away from the home, children, husbands....

That's communism's first step in order for the state to take total control in the raising and education/indoctrination of children.

31 posted on 09/04/2008 4:16:01 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Osage Orange

I had to ditch that tagline for this one, but I will get back to it later...


32 posted on 09/04/2008 4:55:23 PM PDT by gridlock (HIX IN STIX DIG MCCAIN CHICK PICK)
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To: goldstategop

According to the left, the only acceptable pregnancy is if one member of a lesbian “couple” is artificially inseminated by a gay guy with AIDS.


33 posted on 09/04/2008 5:32:27 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: goldstategop; All

In a nutshell, the Left hates families as explained in ‘The Naked Communist.’ The less of us to begin with, and the more of us that are indoctrinated in Public School versus a religious school or home schooling, the easier we are to manipulate and control.

It’s all of the same cloth! People better get a clue. It’s not just ONE issue with the Left...it’s EVERY issue that’s meant to convert our country to Communism. And they have a VERY strong toe-hold. :(

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/416.html

See #25 and #26 for starters.


34 posted on 09/04/2008 5:48:27 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Oh. My. Gosh. They have nearly all of them done already. SCARY.


35 posted on 09/04/2008 10:34:06 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Don’t be scared...be ANGRY at how our Government/Nation has caved to these creeps. And we’ve let it happen!

Pass it on, Please! :)


36 posted on 09/05/2008 5:44:28 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: wideawake

“For the Democrat ticket, America is a vehicle. For the Republican ticket it’s home.”

*APPLAUSE* :)


37 posted on 09/05/2008 5:46:43 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: wac3rd

ROTFLMAO!


38 posted on 09/06/2008 2:02:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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