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Man charged with gun possession following accident in Westampton
myBCTnow.com ^ | 27 August, 2008 | David Levinsky

Posted on 08/28/2008 7:20:21 PM PDT by marktwain

A Pennsylvania man was injured in an accident in Westampton Tuesday and then charged with unlawful possession of a loaded handgun, police said.

According to investigators, Gary Jones, 30, of Glenside, Pa. was the driver of a vehicle that collided with another car yesterday afternoon at the intersection of Springside and Valley Farm Roads.

Following the 4:21 p.m. accident, officers located a 10 mm handgun in the console of Jones car, police said. The gun was loaded with hollow-point bullets, police said. Jones had a permit to carry the weapon in Pennsylvania, but New Jersey law does not permit him to bring the gun to New Jersey, police said.

Jones, who required medical treatment for head, neck and leg injuries, was charged with unlawful possession of a handgun and possession of penetrating bullets. He was released on undisclosed bail conditions, police said.

Motorists in the second vehicle - driver Dana Brown, 32, and passenger Mila Brown, 7, both of Willingboro - also suffered injuries in the accident. Police did not specify if they were taken to a hospital and their conditions were not available.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; newjersey; pennsylvania
New Jersey is one of the worst hoplophobic states in the Union, worse than California, Illinois or New York!
1 posted on 08/28/2008 7:20:22 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

He’s toast!!
First the the pistol, than hollow points too.
Thats why I don’t go to Jersey any more.
Jack


2 posted on 08/28/2008 7:24:45 PM PDT by btcusn
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To: marktwain

Jones, who required medical treatment for head, neck and leg injuries, was charged with unlawful possession of a handgun and possession of penetrating bullets.

If he’d only carried NON-penetrating bullets then he might’ve gotten off with a warning.


3 posted on 08/28/2008 7:24:46 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: marktwain
Any chance he could get this moved to federal court? How about a defense based upon the 2nd and 14th Amendments? Any legal eagles want to comment?
4 posted on 08/28/2008 7:29:58 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: marktwain
Can't think of a bullet that isn't penetrating. Isn't the point (npi) of a hollow point to have it stop penetrating? A FMJ bullet will penetrate and keep on trucking.

From the ubiquitous Wikipedia:

A hollow point, also called a hollow tip, is a bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip, generally intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration ...
Your Honor, obviously the law is counterintuitive and therefore unenforceable.
5 posted on 08/28/2008 7:34:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Michelle Obama is the only woman in the world who can make Hillary look warm and cuddly.")
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To: marktwain; Eaker; Squantos; humblegunner
The gun was loaded with hollow-point bullets, police said.

Jones, who required medical treatment for head, neck and leg injuries, was charged with unlawful possession of a handgun and possession of penetrating bullets.

Errrr...hollowpoints are frangible. That's why their better for defensive situations. They're less likely to penetrate a wall and hit an innocent bystander.

Full metal jacketed rounds are non frangible. They penetrate rather than shatter in a wall or other barrier.

Either the police spokesman or the reporter is an idiot.

6 posted on 08/28/2008 7:35:02 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: marktwain

Adolf Hilter would be proud of the Garden State.


7 posted on 08/28/2008 7:35:51 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Legalize the Constitution::::The power to tax is the power to kill.)
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To: taxcontrol

I wonder if he consented to a search or if the officer took it upon himself to search the console?


8 posted on 08/28/2008 7:39:19 PM PDT by BOBWADE
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To: marktwain

Boy, those reciprocity laws can be a PITA.


9 posted on 08/28/2008 7:52:28 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: marktwain
My CCW directory states that NJ and NYC are the two places that one shouldn't travel even with a weapon boxed and locked in the trunk. The laws are oppressive with respect to personal weapons. Several years ago, a friend was traveling South to a reenactment from New York with a Civil War Cannon in tow and the NJ troopers arrested he and his entourage and held the weapon for months after they were released. NJ and NYC are the most progressive areas of the US.
10 posted on 08/28/2008 7:54:10 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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Yep. NJ and the Dems lie about hollow points. Why do you think police use them.. They are made to NOT penetrate the target. LIES< LIES and more lies or just plain stupid.


11 posted on 08/28/2008 7:55:56 PM PDT by therut
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To: marktwain

Yep. NJ and the Dems lie about hollow points. Why do you think police use them.. They are made to NOT penetrate the target. LIES< LIES and more lies or just plain stupid.


12 posted on 08/28/2008 7:56:21 PM PDT by therut
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To: marktwain

Yep. NJ and the Dems lie about hollow points. Why do you think police use them.. They are made to NOT penetrate the target. LIES< LIES and more lies or just plain stupid.


13 posted on 08/28/2008 7:56:27 PM PDT by therut
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To: marktwain

Yep. NJ and the Dems lie about hollow points. Why do you think police use them.. They are made to NOT penetrate the target. LIES< LIES and more lies or just plain stupid.


14 posted on 08/28/2008 7:57:32 PM PDT by therut
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To: BOBWADE

I carry wherever I go. I could give a rat’s petuty what any libtard state has to say.


15 posted on 08/28/2008 7:57:36 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Force of Truth
Josef Stalin as well.

New Jersey's laws are the stuff that George Orwell wrote about.

16 posted on 08/28/2008 8:02:17 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
hollowpoints are frangible

You're not quite right Grizzled Bear...

Here's one definition of "frangible":

A material is said to be frangible if through deformation it tends to break up into fragments, rather than deforming plastically and retaining its cohesion

Hollowpoints are normally designed NOT to "break up into fragments", but rather to EXPAND.

"Mag Safe" makes rounds loaded with frangible bullets, while Golden Saber, Gold Dot, HydroShock, etc., are not.

17 posted on 08/28/2008 8:03:55 PM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: marktwain
People should just stay out of New Jersey.

I know I do.

18 posted on 08/28/2008 8:38:44 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Grizzled Bear
Either the police spokesman or the reporter is an idiot.

or as ole Harry Callahan said...'the law is STUPID'...

Quick, we need to ammend NJ law [snicker snort] penetrating...COP KILLER ...

19 posted on 08/29/2008 5:37:54 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: marktwain
My late father in-law was a detective for Washington County,PA. He once told me that when he had to travel to NJ to pick up a prisoner he had to stop at a NJ State Police station and hand over his service weapon. He could then pick it up on his way out of the state.
20 posted on 08/29/2008 5:46:07 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Any day above ground is a good day.)
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1) Why were the police in the console of the guy’s car? I don’t see how having a wreck could give the police permission to search the car.

2) WTF are “penetrating bullets”? If anything, hollowpoints would be the opposite of that. Does New Jersey ban hollowpoints in carry weapons?

3) According to my reciprocity list, NJ doesn’t recognize any other state’s carry permits. So if the guy goes back and forth regularly he should probably get an NJ nonresident permit. My sheet says NJ has “very restrictive” nonresident issue policies. Anyone from that area know how tough it would have been for this guy to get an NJ permit to cover his bases?


21 posted on 08/29/2008 6:52:44 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot
According to my reciprocity list, NJ doesn’t recognize any other state’s carry permits.

Maybe all of the gun owner associations should start a letter writing campaign vowing to not travel to NJ until they institute reasonable firearm transportation laws and grant CCW reciprocity.

Not granting reciprocity with at the very least bordering states is just asking to imprison innocent persons (accidental offenders).

22 posted on 08/29/2008 1:22:51 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: vetvetdoug
My CCW directory states that NJ and NYC are the two places that one shouldn't travel even with a weapon boxed and locked in the trunk.

Not true legally, maybe tactically. Fed law would trump NJ law and Fed law allows for transport from a state approving gun possession to a state approving gun possession. Too bad for NJ you're passin' thru.

23 posted on 08/29/2008 2:50:19 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: marktwain
What bullet won't penetrate anything?
24 posted on 08/29/2008 10:48:14 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: NonValueAdded

Depends on who you’re asking.

Either to stop penetration, or, make a larger exit wound than the entry wound.


25 posted on 08/29/2008 10:49:27 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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