Posted on 08/26/2008 9:47:41 AM PDT by forkinsocket
WASHINGTON — Congressional candidate Jack Davis, in a speech earlier this year, warned that increasing immigration from Mexico could lead to a new civil war between northern states and Mexican-influenced Southern states that may want to secede from the United States.
“In the latter part of this century or the next, Mexicans will be a majority in many of the states and could therefore take control of the state government using the democratic process,” Davis said in the speech. “They could then secede from the United States, and then we might have another civil war.”
A supporter of one of Davis’ rivals for the Democratic nomination in the 26th district, Jon Powers, posted the video to YouTube. The Powers campaign alerted The Buffalo News to the Davis video.
The YouTube video is labeled as a speech Davis gave at the Center for Inquiry in Amherst on Feb. 1, but a center press release indicates that he spoke there on March 19.
No matter when he spoke, Davis could not have made his point of view on Mexican immigrants any clearer.
“They have an allegiance to Mexico, where they were taught the U. S. fought an unjust war with Mexico and took this territory,” Davis said. “They believe the territory of these states belongs to Mexico.”
Davis did not name specific states that might be prone to succession.
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Will this be before or after the Second American Civil War that pits conservatives against liberals?
And no, I am not joking.
Before. This will be the event that triggers that war.
It will probably be the same war, as the liberals jump to side with the Mexicans.
Agreed! That’s far more likely (we aren’t going to be rolled over on by Liberal Northern and Western Coastal States)!
Just as long as Indiana goes with its brothers south of the Mason-Dixon line this time.
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Silly. Mexicans do not come here because they want to live like they do in Mexico.
Ping
It would have to be before, since conservatives would not still have that problem if it was after.
I’m not kidding either.
Domestic Enemies/CWII Ping.
If Red State/Blue State is any indication of the battle lines and who lines up on which side, Libs will find themselves surrounded on three sides in the East, Midwest and Far West. They will find themselves outgunned, outmanned and critical war-making industries will be in short supply.
A peaceful way out of this dilema; however, I fear that sensible men are not making the decisions. I would propose a simple land exchange. If you are a Liberal in a Red State, find a Conservative in a Blue state and simply swap homes. Illegal aliens would have two choices - forced repatriation to the land of their birth, or forced relocation to Liberal states.
Government would naturally be split - Liberal policies in Liberal states only.
As I said, I believe the time for rational discourse has passed and we must “Let slip the dogs of war.”
What makes anyone think that they’ll stop at just some states or a section of the country?
Wouldn’t be the first time this country went to war over a president...
The successful occupation and colonization has already taken place. There was no war. No need. We were all asleep.
Scare tactics, nothing more. To make that sort of claim without any evidence is ridiculous for anyone, except maybe a politician wannabe....
...Never mind.
Of course they don't...why remain second class citizens in Mexico when you can be above the law in the US?
The Mexicans can have Dixie when they pry her from my cold, dead hands.
I have read sometime in the past that one of the conditions of admitting Texas to the Union was the right to divide into as many as five new states. Other sources have written that Texas forfeited that right when it seceded in 1861. Picture the ugly result: Eight more liberal Mexican-leaning U.S. senators . . . the time will come when even a well-organized Mexican minority in the state might be able to pull it off.
If there is a Civil War II, go with the side with God, guns, and guts.
And that will not be the side with the states of Sodom (CA) and Gomorrah (NY).
Where would George Bush, John McCain and the millions of conservatives who support them live? I mean both Bush and McCain back amnesty and millions of conservatives agree with them. If not Bush couldn't have been elected twice and McCain wouldn't be the conservative nominee today. The lines are not as clearly drawn as you think. Should all FReepers who vote for McCain be banished to "Liberal Land"?
The dream of La Reconquista is alive. The Council of La Raza (The Race) and MALDEF are not asleep. The conquest takes many forms, some very subtle.
When I wish to contact the head office of my bank (Sterling Savings) through their 888 telephone number I am required to push “1” before I can proceed through the menu or speak to a person in English.
Why limit this to just the US? Why not take conservative Canada too (ie Alberta) since this is where the oil is?
How long before this thread banned?
Indiana, and particularly its legislature, was pro-Confederacy. In fact, the threat of Indiana's secession was so high during this time that Indiana's Republican Governor, Oliver Morton, took steps to prevent the legislature from convening and then paid much of the state's operational expenses out of his own pocket (and also obtaining some illegal loans from his bank) for the bulk of the war. He also privately financed the money to raise Indiana's army during the war.
Ol Dixie Ping
Oh for Pete’s sake.
also they would not deport their illegals thus creating a hateful and resented underclass of course WE would get the blame for that too.
At this point, I have to say like Cato... Cartago Delenda Est..or in this case Socialism Delenda Est. While we would have most of the military, they would have most of the criminals and the law enforcement. Would Cops shoot at Marines,,, are the ATF tactical teams better than the Rangers.
We have seen the presence of such folks as Janet Reno and General Weaselly Clark which means that it wont be a clean split. At least in civil war times folks had loyalty to their states or their regions. This will be a nasty free for all until the forces of FREEDOM get organized.
Seen Los Angeles recently?
Without this there will be instant anarchy (which from the Convention this week would at least make several Democrats happy).
This will transpire before any new Civil War.
I live in Houston. We're not going to be joining Mexico any time soon.
LA's problems mostly stem from the policies of its socialist government.
Glad to have you! Just, uh, kick your boy John Cougar Melonhead over the border into northern Illinois and we’ll make y’all honorary Southerners. Even if you do race your cars without fenders! :)
}:-)4
>>Where would George Bush, John McCain and the millions of conservatives who support them live? I mean both Bush and McCain back amnesty and millions of conservatives agree with them. If not Bush couldn’t have been elected twice and McCain wouldn’t be the conservative nominee today. The lines are not as clearly drawn as you think. Should all FReepers who vote for McCain be banished to “Liberal Land”?<<
Please read my original statement carefully. I said:”If you are a Liberal living in a Conservative state...”. Obviously, RINOs, like those you mentioned would have to make a choice. I can’t see how you can reconcile amnesty with Conservatives. Anyway, it IS a thought. If it prevents a war that I see coming, let’s spare the bloodshed.
Its socialist government, and Mexicans who want to live like they do in Mexico.
I’m being serious here
Why can’t the north east minus NH go on it’s own and have their country connected with Quebec.
All liberals and homosexuals can move there and have their liberal utopia
All conservatives and republicans move out of those states and then we can have our own country and live how we want to live instead of being dictated to by liberal special interest groups.
Let all illegals go to liberal utopia as well
I would have no problem if that were to happen at all
After all the south gives the majority of men and woman to the military, we have the industry this time and we have the crops, weather, ports etc
I bet in 10 years those liberals would ruin their new country and be crying to come back to us again but of course they’ll be still trying to change us to how they used to be forgetting of course that it was their way of life and voting which ruined liberal utopia
Don't forget food. An interesting intellectual exercise is the question of how long big cities like LA, Chicago and NYC will last without regular shipments of food from Flyover Country. How many truckers will want to risk their lives traveling through hostile territory, esp. if a few are specifically targeted?
The real plum Texas got and no other state got was the right to control its own public lands. Just imagine if Alaska got title to the 97% of its territory Uncle Sam is currently wasting.
We need a new slogan: Texas Rights for The West!!!
There was actually a political movement called the Sagebrush Confederates or something like that. They were pushing for an end to federal ownership of the public lands in the west.
I'm not, I'm a realist and the reality is that John McCain, President Bush's most ardent amnesty cheerleader, is the republican nominee for president. Many conservatives like yourself who call for civil war will in fact vote for McCain this fall. That's what I can't reconcile.
From a fiscal persective, that would be great for the Northeast, since they could then keep their tax dollars and not have to see them constantly being sent to Southern and Western States.
http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm
After all the south gives the majority of men and woman to the military
Do you have a source for this? I've heard people claim this, but I've never seen any evidence.
>>Many conservatives like yourself who call for civil war will in fact vote for McCain this fall. That’s what I can’t reconcile.
You assume too much. I WILL NOT vote for McCain. I have already stated who I intend to vote for - and been criticized as an “Obama enabler.” My vote will be for Ann Coulter. In Delaware, she has as much chance as McCain.
And I do not “call for civil war”. I am trying to head it off, as any rational man would/should do. But if it comes, I will be prepared. And at the end of the day, I can hold my head up, knowing that I stood by my principles.
I actually have read it in a couple of places but forget where though when I served I met mostly southern boys and gals.
I live in a no state tax state so I love it and remember the country had to pay for that useless big dig in Boston which went on for over 15 years and a lot of unions, politicians etc made a big corrupt payday.
Florida gets back 95 cents for every dollar it contributes to the Federal treasury, so you guys aren't mooching off of use here in the North.
But the top ten worst Federal tax mooches (Mississippi, New Mexico, Lousiana, Alaska, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, Virginia, Kentucky and South Dakota) are all red States in the South and West. The ones who get ripped off the most (Colorado, NY, California, Delaware, Illinois, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Connecticut, Nevada and NJ) are 8-2 blue states.
I seem to recall seeing it in Born Fighting by James Webb.
NH really
that surprises me as it has high property taxes because of no state tax and local govt. Would have thought the local Govt would have done something about it especially they have town hall meetings all the time there
Taxes are a very important thing to many folk in the state of NH too
I'm talking about how much each state sends to the Federal treasury versus what it gets back- that's independent of property and state and local taxes.
Since you live in New Hampshire, you are getting ripped off by Southern states that are taking your tax dollars.
That is actually a good site , thanks I’ll be looking at that more closely when I get time
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