Posted on 08/24/2008 6:38:02 PM PDT by CitizenM
There are only two types of American citizens: native-born and naturalized. There is no non-naturalized but not native-born category.
Obama was born in the USA to an American citizen. He has lived all but four years of his life in this country.
If he had been born in Keyna or Canada, he’s still be a native-born American citizen and eligible to be president.
If you had been following the many threads on this subject, you would know that if he were born anywhere but Hawaii, he could not be a natural born citizen, because his mother was too young to comply with the law, but more than that, he would not be a citizen at all, because if he was not born in Hawaii, he would have to go through the naturalization process. He has not.
I’m perfectly well aware of the claims. I am also aware that they are misinterpretations of the law.
A child born to a young American woman is still an American citizen.
If he had been born to her elsewhere, he would also still be a citizen.
There are only two groups of citizens, natural-born and naturalized. Obama falls into the first by several standards.
False. - If only one parent is a citizen, then citizenship is contingent on the parent meeting certain residency requirements. It matters none whether it is the mother or the father.
"If he had been born to her elsewhere, he would also still be a citizen."
Absolutely false. For Obama, if he was born anywhere other than within the US, then it is impossible for him to be a citizen, unless he was naturalized, in which case he is not eligible to be president.
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:30:50 PM by Polarik
I revisited the "Born in the U.S.A." story that FactCheck produced which shows digital photos of OBama's alleged genuine paper birth certificate, or COLB, taken in a number of angles.
I found something new: A note that the story had been "updated August 26."
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
According to the Director of Vital Records, with whom I spoke about 10 weeks ago, said that they replaced "NEGRO" with "BLACK," even if NEGRO was on the original birth certificate and the person requesting the COLB put down NEGRO on the application form. So, either this Kurt guy doesn't know what Vital Records do, or doesn't want to disclose this information, or FactCheck is misrepresenting what he said.
OHSM does not simply "accept what the parents self identify themselves to be."If the father (or the mother) said that the father's race was NEGRO, Vital Statistics would not list it as NEGRO, but BLACK. They report a person's current birth record in the context of the today's laws and practices.
Unfortunately, he declined to answer my specific question about "AFRICAN," because then he knew I was searching for answers to Obama's COLB, and said that he cannot give out personal information on someone's birth record.
Dozens of people were calling them daily and asking the same question, and maybe, Kurt was simply following departmental directives regarding BHO's COLB.
Now, it's the second part of Kurt's statement, as reported by FactCheck, that raised my eyebrows:
When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised.
Was this OHSM's version of "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" or FactCheck's imagination talking? Yes, we all know that the borders are generated each time a NOT-YET-CERTIFIED copy is printed along with everything else printed inside the borders. We also know that there has been only one form in use for almost seven years.
Now, why didn't Kurt simply say that the security borders were periodically changed since November 2001 until now? Why not confirm what FactCheck already knows (or should know?)
Kurt continues:
" He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."
Trust me. "Reasonable" is not part of the vocabulary for the most screwed-up federal agency in America, namely USCIS, or United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. USCIS demands a whole list of documents to determine citizenship, of which proof of birth is but one of them.
Why is it that, when someone like you or me, applies for work in a federal agency who work with sensitive data, are required to have extensive and thorough background checks performed even before being considered to be qualified to work there. Do how is it that someone, like Obama, whose background has not subjected to the same and even more extensive levels of investigation, can become an applicant for the highest federal position in the Country?
It boogles the mind.
One final note:
Now,"What's up with FactCheck's comment that they did not learn anything about the paper the COLB is printed on?"
That strikes me as odd, seeing as how they allegedly had the same paper in their hot, little hands?
Here is what confuses me about this birth certificate. If Obama’s mother was white, she could have just as easily identified her son as white - or used the term that was used in those days - “Caucasian.” Why would she have put Nego since he was one-half Caucasian? Or, she could have said “mixed,” or “bi-racial.” I doubt she would have said “white,” or “black,” and I doubt that any Vital Statistics Depts. go back and change all the birth certificates of the past to make them politically correct by today’s terminology. When Obama was born, we were not using the terms, Africa-American or “black,” or “white.” The race identifying terms used then were Caucasian, Nego, Spanish, Mexican Oriental, etc. and have been replaced in the past 20 years or so with “black,” “white,” “Hispanic,” etc.
Not exactly: they do use today's categories for every single COLB that is printed now or in the last seven years.
That comes right from VR's Director.
The Race of the Child’s Name is not put on the COLB.
Quote:
OHSM does not simply “accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”If the father (or the mother) said that the father’s race was NEGRO, Vital Statistics would not list it as NEGRO, but BLACK. They report a person’s current birth record in the context of the today’s laws and practices.
Unfortunately, he declined to answer my specific question about “AFRICAN,”
That is exactly what I have been waiting for someone else to see!
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