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UAL To Drop Inflight Snacks, Free Meals For Business Fliers
Aero-News Net ^ | August 20, 2008

Posted on 08/24/2008 2:53:53 PM PDT by BulletBobCo

Announces Latest Missteps In Never-Ending Race To Bottom Of CSI Rankings

Attention, US Airways: it appears you have some serious competition for the title of Stingiest Major US Carrier.

Starting next month, United Airlines will stop handing out free pretzels and cookies to coach fliers across North America... and will even drop free meal service in business class on most flights. "In the wake of high fuel prices and a challenging economic environment, we must continue to examine every aspect of our business and find new ways to improve our day-to-day operations through efficiencies that still meet our customers' expectations," reads a memo to United employees, obtained Monday by The San Francisco Chronicle.

That memo, incidentally, is titled "Catering Changes Provide Value and Options." Still more examples of "value and options" on United flights include higher prices for buy-on-board meals, although passengers will have more choices on what to spend their hard-earned $7 on.

The airline will also stop offering complimentary meals to coach-class passengers on international flights, and will do away with snacks given to passengers on longer trans-continental flights. The airline notes that doing away with free meal service in business class will also allow United to use fewer flight attendants. United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski called the changes "difficult but necessary," adding "we are looking at everything we need to do to offset fuel prices, which are still skyrocketing."

(In a related note... after falling to as low as $112 Monday, oil prices rebounded to around $115 per barrel in trading Tuesday. That's a healthy increase, but still far off the $147 high seen earlier this year --Ed.)

At least one analyst questioned United's latest attempt to, presumably, lose business. "These moves are flat-out stupid," said Forrester Research's Henry Harteveldt to the Chronicle. "The savings they will get doing away with lunch in business class -- they will lose more than that when corporations yank business. "The challenging thing about business is that whether things are good or bad, you have to invest in your product for the sake of keeping customers and to make it harder for competitors to catch up with you," Harteveldt added. "This does nothing to encourage people to pay more because you give more. They really make me question whether the inmates have taken control of the asylum."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airlines; gasprices; jetfuel; ual; united

1 posted on 08/24/2008 2:53:54 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

The “free” food and drinks were never free. You paid for that stuff in the price of your ticket.


2 posted on 08/24/2008 2:56:55 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: BulletBobCo
The airline notes that doing away with free meal service in business class will also allow United to use fewer flight attendants.

They could reduce the flight attendants to ZERO by simply closing the door once all the passengers are on board. Then just start the engine and go.

3 posted on 08/24/2008 3:08:14 PM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: Kirkwood

“The “free” food and drinks were never free. You paid for that stuff in the price of your ticket.”

Well now you pay the same price for the ticket but don’t get the free meal so it was in fact free.


4 posted on 08/24/2008 3:09:00 PM PDT by cw35
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To: Kirkwood
The “free” food and drinks were never free. You paid for that stuff in the price of your ticket.

And presumably we still will - except now we won't get the food and drinks we're paying for. But in the long list of reasons I have to avoid air travel these days, this issue isn't near the top.

In my opinion, the airlines and the TSA have done more to destroy the air travel industry than fuel prices and al-Qaeda.
5 posted on 08/24/2008 3:09:57 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: BulletBobCo

wha’ no peanuts?


6 posted on 08/24/2008 3:11:58 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: BulletBobCo
I flew Qantas when I went to New Zealand a year and a half ago and their service was good. I have flown United before and I was never impressed with them. The people were arrogant, pompous. I had to fly out of Chicago and my flight home was 6 hours late. The kept changing the gate over the hours like 4 times. Not impressed.....

Kind of sad, when they did bankruptcy, their executives got windfalls but the pilot's pension got turned over to the Federal Gov't and the pilots lost. Their was a story on one pilot who was getting $10,000 per month before the federal turn over. Now he gets $2500 and he is unable to go back to work.
7 posted on 08/24/2008 3:12:29 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: An Old Man
They could reduce the flight attendants to ZERO by simply closing the door once all the passengers are on board. Then just start the engine and go.

They could but the federales would be awaiting the plane's arrival.

8 posted on 08/24/2008 3:15:44 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Kirkwood
"The “free” food and drinks were never free. You paid for that stuff in the price of your ticket."

Well, sure. But one of the perks in business class has been a decent meal. And UAL's meals were usually superb. More than a few times, I've returned home from a trip thinking that the business-class meal was the best on the whole trip!

One more reason to question my loyalty to UAL, then. And one less reason to pay for business class.

I have to imagine that the savings in pretzels and business class meals will be more than offset by the loss of people like me who fly a lot and see less and less reason to stick with UA. I wish them well but will be looking around.
9 posted on 08/24/2008 3:16:29 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: cw35
Well now you pay the same price for the ticket but don’t get the free meal so it was in fact free.

Have you forgotten about the price of fuel? It takes more dollars to drive your car to work. It also takes more dollars to fly a plane across the country.

10 posted on 08/24/2008 3:17:53 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: cw35

“Well now you pay the same price for the ticket but don’t get the free meal so it was in fact free.”

No offense, but you sound a lot like a democrat in congress.


11 posted on 08/24/2008 3:20:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: CORedneck
"Kind of sad, when they did bankruptcy, their executives got windfalls but the pilot's pension got turned over to the Federal Gov't and the pilots lost."

You might be interested in how Joe Biden responded to the pleas of some laid-off pilots just a month after 9/11:

http://www.tnr.com/columnists/story.html?id=ba9b09bb-ed01-4582-b6ec-444834c9df73&k=93697

Rhetorical Question
by Michael Crowley
Post Date October 22, 2001

It's a bright early October morning on Capitol Hill. Joe Biden is bounding up the steps of the Russell Senate Office Building, wearing his trademark grin. As he makes for the door, he is met by a group of airline pilots and flight attendants looking vaguely heroic in their navy-blue uniforms and wing-shaped pins. A blandly handsome man in a pilot's cap steps forward and asks Biden to help pass emergency benefits for laid-off airline workers. Biden nods as the men and women cluster around him with fawning smiles. Then he speaks. "I hope you will support my work on Amtrak as much as I have supported you," he begins. (Biden rides Amtrak to work every day and is obsessed with the railroad.) "If not, I will screw you badly."

A dozen faces fall in unison as Biden lectures on. "You've not been good to me. You're also damn selfish. You better listen to me..." It goes on like this for a couple of minutes. Strangely, Biden keeps grinning--even fraternally slapping the stunned man's shoulder a couple of times. When we finally head into the building, Biden's communications director, Norm Kurz, turns to me. "What you just witnessed is classic Senator Biden." [...snip...]
12 posted on 08/24/2008 3:20:42 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

“Well, sure. “

Of course, but I love how they let the UAL get away with the lie that they were giving away “free” food and drinks all this time.


13 posted on 08/24/2008 3:24:55 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: CORedneck
Kind of sad, when they did bankruptcy, their executives got windfalls but the pilot's pension got turned over to the Federal Gov't and the pilots lost. Their was a story on one pilot who was getting $10,000 per month before the federal turn over. Now he gets $2500 and he is unable to go back to work.

Are you defending the thugish pilots union? You must either have a short memory or be willingly ignorant. The pilots union, like other unions, has had a major hand in United's problems. Do you remember the summer of 2000? If you flew United that summer, you would probably remember the work stoppages. The pilots threw a temper trantrum over their deal for ownership of United. The pilots and other unions became part owners of United in 1994 or 1995. These groups immediately started fighting with each other and other shareholders. The unions that they could just skim the extra profits without any recourse. They were very unhappy when the stock price sunk.

If the unions had any sense, they would picket against rat politicians. I would endorse workstoppages on flights with rat politicians. The rats would get the message soon enough.

14 posted on 08/24/2008 3:24:59 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

This is further proof that that Biden is nuts.

The pilots and flight attendants, in unison, should have told this pompous ass Senator to go “eff” himself.


15 posted on 08/24/2008 3:26:05 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Don't vote for Obama.....America doesn't need a black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: businessprofessor

“Have you forgotten about the price of fuel? It takes more dollars to drive your car to work. It also takes more dollars to fly a plane across the country.”

The point is, they are not going to pass along savings. They of course could have raised prices.


16 posted on 08/24/2008 3:51:37 PM PDT by cw35
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To: Kirkwood

lol none taken!


17 posted on 08/24/2008 3:52:08 PM PDT by cw35
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To: BulletBobCo
ALL the unions (and vendors, and other interested parties) made a bad deal in order to keep United in business during the bankruptcy.

Now the flying public is living the sequel to "The Monkey's Paw", after the dead kid shows up the front door. The fundamental problems that drove United into BK were not solved; the symptoms were treated and the patient was released.

18 posted on 08/24/2008 3:58:38 PM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"The pilots and flight attendants, in unison, should have told this pompous ass Senator to go “eff” himself."

Understandable for us to say so in the comfort of our armchairs, seven years on. But these folks had just seen their incomes and careers vanish in the flames of the Twin Towers. They were coming to Biden to ask his support. He responded by hectoring and berating them. Besides shock, their reactions probably included "Whatever we do, let's not make this worse."

I hope their memories are sharp and that they (and the hundreds of others who have been similarly treated by this pompous gasbag over the years) fan out and speak their minds to the electorate.

Obama's appeal is that of a blank slate. You can cast whatever fantasies you want as his image. Not so with Biden. He's a jackass, and the more people know it, the more they'll question their gauzy image of Obama too.
19 posted on 08/24/2008 4:00:49 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: BulletBobCo

Frequent flier to United Air Lines:
SAYONARA, BUCKWHEAT!


20 posted on 08/24/2008 4:34:11 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

A U.S. Senator should treat people with dignity and respect. The fact that a U.S. Senator would treat employees of the airline industry so shabbily, and only a week after the September 11th attacks, is unbelievable.

As you mentioned, I’m sure these pilots and flight attendants will remember Biden’s words when they are in the voting booth.

As for Obama, I think more and more people seen him for what he is with each passing day. Fear not.

Thank-you for posting.


21 posted on 08/24/2008 4:43:31 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama / Biden: The most liberal senator paired with the third most liberal senator. No thanks!)
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To: BulletBobCo

I miss the old days, when you boarded a plane, were well fed and treated like a queen. I also miss that when headed overseas, Mexico, etc. OUR money was worth so much more than theirs. Now the USA is the bargain basement of the world.

Yeah, we need more of this new world wide economy.....


22 posted on 08/24/2008 4:55:05 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: An Old Man

If they didn’t have any flight attendants, the pilot would have to come into the cabin and explain to people how to fasten their seat belts!


23 posted on 08/24/2008 5:27:45 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: AuntB
AuntB Wrote: "Now the USA is the bargain basement of the world."

An Old Man Responded: Gosh Aunt Bee, if we are not careful this fall, we may end up with a third world dictator to match.

24 posted on 08/24/2008 6:00:19 PM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: cw35
The point is, they are not going to pass along savings. They of course could have raised prices.

The airlines are in a difficult situation. Of course the airlines can raise prices. However, the demand for air travel is rather sensitive to the price. If ticket prices are increased to cover fuel costs, demand may fall sharply.

The airlines have excellent talent to analyze impacts of different policies. Sometimes major mistakes are made. Of course the airlines should listen to their pilots. In the final analysis, I trust airline management judgement about operations. I trust pilot judgement about flying aircraft. The pilots union (as well as other unions) has a terrible record regards to operating an airline.

25 posted on 08/24/2008 6:20:00 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor

The “thuggish” pilots’ unions have been the ones keeping the airlines flying by conceding to the corporate thieves, having their salaries chopped, their benefits hacked and family flying privileges reduced to red eyes. The airline executives have enjoyed multimillion dollar bonuses during time of furloughs and employee cutbacks.

I’ve never been in favor of unions but until the “executives” realize they are finished without the pilots, then more power to the pilot unions. I guarantee you the pilots spent more time studying for their profession than anyone in the big chairs. Maybe they should swap seats for a month or two and see which one crashes and burns first.


26 posted on 08/24/2008 6:36:23 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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