North Korean lookalike technology has room for improvement
Posted on 08/23/2008 9:17:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
N Korea's Kim died in 2003 and was replaced by lookalike, says Waseda professor
Is Kim Jong Il dead? Yes, North Korea’s “Dear Leader” is no more, having passed away in the fall of 2003, writes Waseda University professor Toshimitsu Shigemura in Shukan Gendai (Aug 23-30).
A one-time Mainichi Shimbun journalist posted in Seoul, Shigemura is introduced by the magazine as a leading authority on the Korean Peninsula. His latest book, released this month, is titled “The True Character of Kim Jong Il.”
If true, the implications are potentially vast. Among them: former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s summit partner during one or both of his landmark visits to Pyongyang in 2002 and 2004 was not Kim himself but a dummy—the stand-in Shigemura claims has been fooling the world for at least five years.
A dictator having one or multiple doubles is a familiar notion since Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was shown to have deployed them. But Saddam was alive at the time. Kim, in Shigemura’s scenario, was not manipulating a look-alike; he was replaced by one.
Of course it’s fantastic—but in North Korea, says Shigemura, fantasy and reality are not mutually exclusive. “Japanese common sense cannot take the measure of North Korea’s uniqueness,” he writes. “For example: Kim came to Tokyo six times in the 1980s.”
Then as now, North Korea and Japan had no diplomatic ties. Kim, then heir to the throne under his father, “Great Leader” Kim Il Sung, apparently traveled incognito by ship. His purpose: to take in the magic shows staged by magician Hikita Tenko at the upscale Cordon Bleu show pub in Akasaka.
Shigemura cites as sources (without naming them) several people close to Kim’s family. He hears from them that Kim’s diabetes took a turn for the worse early in 2000. From then until his supposed death three and a half years later he was confined to a wheelchair.
Was the flurry of diplomatic activity in which the world saw Kim engaged during those years mere sleight of hand? The “hermit kingdom” seemed all of a sudden to grow remarkably outgoing. In June 2000 Kim hosted the historic summit with South Korean President Kim Dae Jung. The following month, he received Russian President Vladimir Putin. In October his guest was U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In January 2001 he visited China; in August, Russia. In September 2002 there occurred the first summit with Koizumi, culminating in Kim’s admission, after decades of denial from Pyongyang, that North Korean agents had kidnapped Japanese nationals. August 2003 saw the launch of the Six Party talks aimed at North Korea’s nuclear disarmament.
“Then suddenly,” writes Shigemura in Shukan Gendai, “the pace slows.”
The second Kim-Koizumi summit, in 2004, lasted all of 90 minutes. Scheduled meetings with other foreign dignitaries were abruptly canceled. Kim’s retreat from the public eye was almost total. State television in October 2003 showed him touring a collective farm, but mention of the date of the visit was conspicuously absent.
Kim’s family, meanwhile, was in a state of upheaval. His wife died—of breast cancer, said official reports; assassinated, according to persistent rumors. His favorite sister, a high-ranking Communist Party official, suddenly moved to Paris. Her husband lost his post. Clearly something was afoot.
In the spring of 2006, says Shigemura, American spy satellites succeeded in photographing Kim. An analysis of the photographs led to an astonishing conclusion: Kim had grown 2.5 cm!
“Recently,” Shigemura proceeds, “someone who was in contact with a Kim family member told me he heard the family member say, ‘There’s been a promise not to decide on Kim’s successor so long as the current shogun is alive.’”
“‘Shogun’ was Kim’s nickname,” Shigemura explains “If Kim were alive, the family member would simply have said, ‘the shogun’—not ‘the current shogun.’ The stress on ‘current’ seems to suggest that the person in question is someone other than Kim Jong Il.”
Shukan Gendai asks a government official who helped plan Koizumi’s Pyongyang visits what he thinks of all this. His reply:
“Rumors of a dummy Kim began circulating after the summit. Some of us said we should have Kim’s voice prints analyzed. But if we did that and proved the prime minister had been conferring with a double, it could have destroyed the Koizumi administration. So we didn’t proceed.”
Ping!
that sure explains a lot!
This would make an excellent movie...if true.
But the US spy satellite capability mentioned....I kinda doubt...measuring a guy’s height?
The scariest thought is the possibility of more than one person that ugly!
North Korea is such a closed off nation that if anyone could pull something like this off, it’s them. How many people has Kim Jong-Il ever met with who would notice, anyways?
Same thing happened with Larry King.
What a nutty country!
North Korean lookalike technology has room for improvement
huh?????
If they could read the numbers on a license plate 30 years ago, why not? You would need a shadow, the exact GPS coordinates, and the exact time of day, and you could determine it using basic geometry. I’m not saying it happened, but I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand either.
LOL
That explains why he looked so ronery in Team America World Police.
So, the guy is sitting or standing, and a satellite is able to discern he is 2.5 cm taller than expected, and they know this is not from shoes?
Hmmmm.... he looks a little wooden in that pic.
Does it really matter what psychotic dung pile is in charge of the world’s most repressive starvation camp?
On a side note, remember the picture of Albright and Chia Head grinning away as she presents him with a Micheal Jordan signed basketball? If that doesn’t convince you that the entire State Department needs to be fired and deported, I don’t know what will.
Team America, great movie, I even went on Itunes and have the Song.
I have a sad life :)
hmmmm
Is Kim Jong so ill he needs surgery?
Kim Jong Il, North Korea’s reclusive leader, has been so unwell that he could not walk more than 30 yards without a rest, western governments have been told.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1554143/Is-Kim-Jong-so-ill-he-needs-surgery.html
***But the US spy satellite capability mentioned....I kinda doubt...measuring a guy’s height?***
You could probably estimate a person’s height by comparing them to an object of known height.
Your profile page is great; I ‘bout fell out of the chair laughing.
Hey, it all makes perfect sense to me. Koreans must like American movies. Maybe they saw “Dave”!
***But the US spy satellite capability mentioned....I kinda doubt...measuring a guy’s height?***
During my time in the Army, even in the 70’s, it was known that spy satellites, even then, could identify the insignia on a Soviet soldiers buttons on his uniform. Technology was there then.
Sir, you are a demented genius. Magnificent About page! Magnificent, sir! Honor to freep with you.
Height estimation is a remarkably tricky thing, despite what tech-based television series pretend. It’s perfectly possible to estimate someone’s height within a range of a few inches, but given that height can vary _by_ a few inches at any given moment simply by changes in posture or neck position - things not often easily caught depending on the camera angle - I’ve never seen anyone who would claim that through even close photos someone’s height can be definitively determined down to the inch. People are often mistaken about the height of someone they’ve stood next to or spoken to in person. Celebrities routinely fudge their heights by an inch or two because they can get away with it for this same reason. Athletes (or their coaches) often do the same.
Whatever other evidence exists, claiming a satellite determined definitively that the person being photographed was taller by the length of the tip of my index finger is odd.
On a side note, remember the picture of Halfbright and Chia Head grinning away...
There, fixed it.
Dumbest person I ever heard on the radio.
Didn’t “Dear Leader” play a wood dummy in that cartoon movie Team America? Maybe that’s where the N Koreans got the idea.
Let's ask JIMMAH CARTER!!!!!
Good thing it's not morning or my keyboard would be full of coffee!!! ROFLMBO!
I thought the Pit of Kryrok was waiting for him.
LOL
I’m ronery... so ronery...
I have a Michael Jordan card that a card/comic shop owner said may be worth a few hundred.
North Korea is so weird at the best of times that I don’t find this particularly implausible.
The whole frigging country is a massive loony bin.
Indeed. I wish the author dropped the reference to spy satellite detecting height discrepancy, though.:-)
My stomach hurts from laughing at your page.
A pod person?
Your statement suggests that you have no clue with respect to State Departmentese.
If I say French, and you reply “poetry”, then you miss 98% of the nuance of diplomacy.
What is said, and what is being conveyed is akin to continusous double entendre. Try it one time (instead of the 4x4 board across the head “quarter bounce”) with all of your drinkin’ friends: every statment said MUST be a double-enendre.
That’s real easy to do so long as the conversation is crude. Now ramp it up by injcting the message that you just F’d the other’s wife, or that their newly acquired Benzo just got scored.
You get points if you can pull it off without any others at the table knowing what’s going on.
You have no idea what diplomacy is until you’ve played that game.
1984—Big Brother never dies, never ages. . .
Perhaps some NKs have read Heinlein’s “Double Star?”
Big Brother is omnipresent.
Big Brother is your best friend.
Big Brother is your savior.
(kidding, obviously)
SALT Treaties with the USSR, Jimmy Carter offering North Korea aid in building nuclear plants on behalf of President Clinton, The United Nations announcing another meaningless resolution, NATO throwing away countries in Eastern Europe who have only had time to draw a few quick gulps of freedom before being plunged back into the iron grip of slavery.
The more governments fall into double entendre, or any other Orwellian trap, the less will be accomplished.
Fortunately, President Reagan did not let the State Department remove his most famous line from the Berlin speech. It might not have been nuanced and subtle, but it was honest and powerful.
I would have no problem with abolishing the State Department and sending a representative of the Department of War to deliver any message we need to send to another country.
Allow me the liberty to equivocate:
I'm so sick of women I could spitGet it? Of course I'm listening to jazz (as I've mentioned) and you might not be.
Frankly I fail to so any difference in either perception or ideology, philosophy, etc. respecting what I was trying to present and what is present.
Do you?
Ask Gov. Richardson I think he met with him in the 90’s and 06 or 07.
Ping me, please.
That IS pretty funny.
Especially considering his father was well known for his elevator shoes and the fact that his height was always altered in the official portraits so he wouldn’t be dwarfed by his visitors.
I would have no problem with abolishing the State Department and sending a representative of the Department of War to deliver any message we need to send to another country.I have no clue which attitude scares me more: yours or the one purporting itself to be the Messiah.
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