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U.ofC. shunning poor patients? HOSPITAL DISPUTE-Obama's wife,3 aides tied to plan to free up space
Chicago SunTimes ^ | 8-23-08 | Tim Evans, Chris Fusco

Posted on 08/23/2008 8:51:36 PM PDT by STARWISE

Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.

Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment.

Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.

Obama's top political strategist, David Axelrod, co-owns the firm, ASK Public Strategies, that was hired by the hospital last year to sell the program -- called the Urban Health Initiative -- to the community as a better alternative for poor patients.

Obama's wife and Valerie Jarrett, an Obama friend and adviser who chairs the medical center's board, backed the Axelrod firm's hiring, hospital officials said.

Another Obama adviser and close friend, Dr. Eric Whitaker, took over the Urban Health Initiative when he was hired at U. of C. in October 2007.

Whitaker previously had been director of the Illinois Department of Public Health. Obama has said he recommended Whitaker for the state job, giving his name to Tony Rezko, who helped Gov. Blagojevich assemble his Cabinet.

Rezko, a former fund-raiser for Obama and Blagojevich, was convicted in June on federal corruption charges tied to state deals.

Medical center officials and Obama's presidential campaign staff say the Urban Health Initiative -- along with a three-year-old companion program called the South Side Health Collaborative -- will dramatically improve health care for thousands of South Side residents.

They say that, rather than having to wait hours at U. of C.'s emergency room, those patients get seen sooner and at less expense at neighborhood clinics and other hospitals. U. of C. even offers them a ride on a shuttle bus to other centers and sometimes provides the doctors at those facilities.

"Senator Obama sees community health centers as a vital part of efforts to invest in prevention and reduce costs," said Ben LaBolt, an Obama spokesman.

But the Urban Health Initiative has critics, including South Side residents and medical professionals.

"I've heard complaints from a handful of constituents, but I've also had calls from people in the health care profession complaining," said Ald. Toni Preckwinkle, whose 4th Ward is just north of the hospital.

"The medical professionals who have come to me are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions. ... Whether it's being implemented in the way that's in the best interest of the patient, I can't tell you."

More at link


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alexrod; chicagoway; hospitals; michelleobama; obama; obamatruthfile; univofchicago

1 posted on 08/23/2008 8:51:38 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: NautiNurse; SE Mom; Bahbah; penelopesire; Miss Didi; kristinn; TASMANIANRED; MS.BEHAVIN; Howlin; ...

~~Ding!


2 posted on 08/23/2008 8:53:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

The Evil Michelle just munching her way through the poor people in Chicago.


3 posted on 08/23/2008 8:53:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: STARWISE

Obama corruption bump / Michelle Obama hates poor people bump


4 posted on 08/23/2008 8:55:14 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Tony Snow founnd out - to live is Christ, to die is gain....Thanks be to God for Tony's life!)
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To: STARWISE

These patients need a community organizer...


5 posted on 08/23/2008 8:56:03 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: All

I don’t know the laws that compel hospitals to
treat patients, maybe some of you do. This
plan sounds extremely arbitrary and self-serving.

“They say that, rather than having to wait hours at U. of C.’s emergency room, those patients get seen sooner and at less expense at neighborhood clinics and other hospitals. U. of C. even offers them a ride on a shuttle bus to other centers and sometimes provides the doctors at those facilities.”

**

Sick people being bussed ?


6 posted on 08/23/2008 8:57:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE
"The medical professionals who have come to me are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions. ...

Whether it's being implemented in the way that's in the best interest of the patient, I can't tell you."

Apparently it's being implemented in a way that benefits Michelle & Barack Obama $317,000 a year.

I guess it's hard for Michelle to be proud when she's kicking needy people out of the hospital.

7 posted on 08/23/2008 8:58:40 PM PDT by RJL
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To: STARWISE

You can’t make this stuff up.
It has the usual contours of Lefty hypocrisy.
Brute political expediency masquerading as concern, and
“doing the good thing”. Wonder who is footing the bill for this “initiative”.


8 posted on 08/23/2008 9:01:54 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: STARWISE

It almost sounds good, but how do these probably much less profitable smaller hospitals and clinics absorb the cost? Aren’t university hospitals usually teaching hospitals?


9 posted on 08/23/2008 9:11:42 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: RJL; NautiNurse; SE Mom; All

Valerie Jarrett - Close to Barack and Michelle, she says what campaign aides don’t—or can’t.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136349

Jarrett has no formal title inside the campaign, other than senior adviser.

Her place at the table comes from her long personal relationship with both Barack and Michelle Obama. She is the insider-outsider, a trusted friend who can give them a view from beyond the confines of the campaign bubble.

Jarrett was brought into the campaign part time last fall (she’s CEO of real-estate developer The Habitat Co.), when Obama was stuck 20 points behind Hillary Clinton and pundits were writing him off.

“It’s good to have someone saying, ‘Why are you doing it that way?’” says strategist David Axelrod.

Jarrett was Michelle Obama’s mentor. An aide to Chicago Mayor Richard Daley in the 1990s, she hired Michelle away from her law firm to work for the city. A veteran of Chicago politics, Jarrett got her start working for Harold Washington, the city’s first black mayor.

Her grandfather ran the Chicago Housing Authority in the 1940s.

Obama has long turned to her for advice. When he wanted to run for the U.S. Senate, he first had to convince Michelle and Jarrett that it was a good idea. He’s been seeking her counsel ever since.

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Meet Obama’s Right-Hand Woman
Close Obama Advisor Valerie Jarrett, Perhaps The Most Powerful Woman In Chicago After Oprah, Talks With Katie Couric

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/11/eveningnews/main4340955.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4340955#ccmm

(CBS) When Karl Rove worked for President Bush, he had so much influence that some called him “Bush’s Brain.” Valerie Jarrett is the woman known as the other side of Barack Obama’s brain.

Jarrett, a 51-year-old business leader and single mother, just may be the most powerful woman in Chicago besides Oprah. And she’s earned the complete confidence of Barack and Michelle Obama.

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Obama Camp Has Many Ties To Wife’s Employer
8/23/2008

http://www.weareillinois.org/connect/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=4616

Excerpt:

A few years ago, executives at the prestigious University of Chicago Medical Center were concerned that an increasing number of patients were arriving at their emergency room with what the executives considered to be non-urgent complaints. The visits were costly to the hospital, and many of the patients, coming from the surrounding South Side neighborhood, were poor and uninsured. ...

Axelrod’s firm recommended an aggressive promotional effort modeled on a political campaign — appoint a campaign manager, conduct focus groups, target messages to specific constituencies, then recruit religious leaders and other third-party “validators.” They, in turn, would write and submit opinion pieces to Chicago publications.

One key recommendation from Axelrod’s firm: “Respond quickly to opposition activity.”

The medical center’s initiative provides a window into the close relationship between the Obamas, their associates at the University of Chicago and Axelrod, the strategist most central to Barack Obama’s rise. ...


10 posted on 08/23/2008 9:13:36 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE
EMTALA

The avowed purpose of the statute is to prevent hospitals from rejecting patients, refusing to treat them, or transferring them to "charity hospitals" or "county hospitals" because they are unable to pay or are covered under the Medicare or Medicaid programs.

EMTALA is primarily but not exclusively a non-discrimination statute. One would cover most of its purpose and effect by characterizing it as providing that no patient who presents with an emergency medical condition and who is unable to pay may be treated differently than patients who are covered by health insurance.

In essence, then, the statute:

* imposes an affirmative obligation on the part of the hospital to provide a medical screening examination to determine whether an "emergency medical condition" exists;

* imposes restrictions on transfers of persons who exhibit an "emergency medical condition" or are in active labor, which restrictions may or may not be limited to transfers made for economic reasons;

* imposes an affirmative duty to institute treatment if an "emergency medical condition" does exist.

The definition provided under the statute is:

"A medical condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in --
placing the health of the individual (or, with respect to a pregnant woman, the health of the woman or her unborn child) in serious jeopardy,

serious impairment to bodily functions, or serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part, or

"With respect to a pregnant woman who is having contractions -- that there is inadequate time to effect a safe transfer to another hospital before delivery, or that the transfer may pose a threat to the health or safety of the woman or her unborn child."


11 posted on 08/23/2008 9:16:56 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: NautiNurse; SE Mom; Bahbah; pissant; penelopesire; Miss Didi; rodguy911

Thank you!! Federal law, I’m assuming .. then how does this initiative by the Obama crew not fly in the face of that law?

This story is everywhere .. google blog search. MSNBC had it, too .. now it’s removed .. how surprising //// sarc.

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Obama Camp’s Many Ties To Wife’s Employer
Washington Post: Michelle, Barack, David Axelrod And The University Of Chicago

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/22/politics/washingtonpost/main4373626.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4373626

Excerpt:

Shortly after Barack Obama joined the U.S. Senate in 2005, the medical center promoted Michelle Obama to vice president of community and external relations, and more than doubled her salary. She is now on leave from the $317,000-a-year post, in which she sought to bridge the gap between the wealthy institution and its poorer neighbors. The hospital declined to discuss the budget for her program or her input into budgetary decisions.

The vast majority of political contributions from university employees have gone to Democrats, and over the past nine years they have donated at least $373,000 to Barack Obama’s campaigns, records show. The university’s executive suites are home to a number of the couple’s closest friends and financial backers.

The medical center’s chairwoman, Valerie Jarrett, is a close friend and top adviser who travels frequently with Barack Obama. One of Barack’s best friends, Eric Whitaker, is executive vice president at the center and is now in charge of the Urban Health Initiative.

Hospital board member Kelly R. Welsh is executive vice president at Northern Trust Co., which extended the couple a $1.3 million home mortgage shortly after Barack Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. Dan Shomon, Barack Obama’s former campaign manager, is a university lobbyist. Jarrett, Whitaker, Welsh and Shomon all declined to be interviewed or did not respond to requests.

The 600-bed medical center, which has a $1.3 billion budget, has more than 700 attending physicians. The hospital is a leader in such specialties as cancer care and organ transplants, and boasts that patients travel from around the world for treatment. Its facilities feature valet parking, a meditation garden and, in some rooms, 42-inch flat-panel televisions.

Quentin Young, a local physician whose five-doctor medical office lists Barack Obama among its patients, said that in past decades the South Side often viewed the institution as a “citadel of exclusion,” more interested in research than the well-being of its neighbors.

The hospital’s general counsel, Susan Sher, said she approached Michelle Obama in 2001 and asked her to develop plans to bring the hospital closer to the surrounding neighborhood.

Sher is a longtime friend of Michelle Obama; they worked together at Chicago City Hall, where Sher was head of Mayor Richard M. Daley’s law department. Michelle Obama “grew up in this community,” Sher said, adding that that makes her uniquely qualified.

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And we thought the Clinton web of incestuous relationships was thick ... dearlord .. the Chicago Way may just beat it.


12 posted on 08/23/2008 9:24:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: NautiNurse

Ooops .. read that too quickly. So, if they’re not considered medical emergencies, they can be bussed to another facility?


13 posted on 08/23/2008 9:26:27 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

The laws that require treatment are EMTALA - emergency medical treatment and active labor act. Patients are not to be transferred until they are stabilized, and not during active labor. Most states have county hospitals that treat those on Medicaid or without coverage. That woould be Cook County Hosp. in Chicago.

As for busing sick patients - many ER patients are not that sick and can stand the travel. They might have bronchitis. They might have a UTI. They sprained a wrist, or have a laceration needing a few stitches.

Some people don’t need professional treatment - buy your feverish kid some Tylenol; buy your own pregnancy test. It’s not an emergency.

Some people don’t have a doctor; some people can’t get an early appointment; some people don’t know any better.

I’m a volunteer EMT. I’d guess roughly, a third of our patients don’t need the ER - they could call their doctor in the morning or even self-treat. Maybe a third need the ER but don’t need an ambulance ride there. Most of the rest decide to decline transport or assistance. And a few, maybe 10%, really need to go in the ambulance.

The local ER has a Fast Track for minor ailments.
The U of C hospital is setting up local “Fast Tracks” and trying to train people to use them. Nothing wrong with that.

I’m sure they don’t want to get rid of all poor patients. One reason major teaching hospitals are located in inner cities is because of all the tremendous learning opportunities presented by the pathologies and traumas of the urban poor. They just want to send the sniffle cases to the neighborhood clinics.


14 posted on 08/23/2008 9:28:26 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: supremedoctrine
Seems like Obama bin Biden and wifey are paying back half their election team with jobs and referrals.

yitbos

15 posted on 08/23/2008 9:29:32 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: STARWISE

The receiving facility must agree to accept the patient after a medical screening exam has occurred at the transferring facility. Read closely the broad definition of a medical emergency. If patients are being triaged out of the ER by a nurse, more than likely this represents an EMTALA violation.


16 posted on 08/23/2008 9:33:44 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: skr

Good question ... and in Chicago, just so happens that one of those that was a dumping place hospitals, an old structure, is earnestly desired by Mayor Daley as a site for the 2016 Olympics .. which he’s craving. So, some deals have been made, and it’s presently being closed/sold ..... hmmmmmmm.

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Cleanup may muddy Reese deal
Asbestos, lead paint among old facility’s problems

By Kathy Bergen and Hal Dardick | Chicago Tribune reporters
July 10, 2008

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-thu-michael-reese-2016-olympjul10,0,2939009.story

At first glimpse, Chicago appears to have cut a pretty sweet, low-risk deal in its proposed purchase of the Michael Reese Hospital property for potential use as a 2016 Olympic Village, observers say.

The seller, hospital supplier Medline Industries Inc., appears to be making out nicely as well, a position that could be enhanced if it takes advantage of a number of potential tax breaks, one expert said.

But at least one wild card remains as the city continues work on an environmental assessment of the property, whose 27 brick and concrete structures date way back, some to 1907.

An earlier environmental report, prepared in 2003 and shared with potential bidders for the property last year, noted that many of the buildings contained asbestos and that lead-based paint was likely to be found throughout the aging facility. And several abandoned underground storage tanks were considered potential problems because information about them was lacking.

*snip*

The city would be buying the 37-acre parcel on the Near South Side “as is,” he noted, “so that’s why we’re doing the assessment now, before we enter into the agreement.”

Under the proposed deal introduced to the City Council on Wednesday, Chicago would pay $85 million for the Near South Side tract.

In turn, Mundelein-based Medline, the hospital’s landlord, would make a $20 million cash contribution to the city to cover interest payments in the near term, as well as for building demolition and environmental cleanup.


17 posted on 08/23/2008 9:35:53 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: heartwood
I’m sure they don’t want to get rid of all poor patients. One reason major teaching hospitals are located in inner cities is because of all the tremendous learning opportunities presented by the pathologies and traumas of the urban poor. They just want to send the sniffle cases to the neighborhood clinics.

Proper triage will free up resources for the people who really need them. I've tried to help refugee mothers tell the difference between run of the mill stomach upset/fever and something serious. But coming from zero education and the bush, they take their kids into the emergency room for everyday bouts of illness that can be handled at home. At least this particular group doesn't practice folk medicine like burning coins to chase out the demons of fever. However, after an 18 month old boy was scalded on his chest and stomach with boiling water, raising blisters the size of a half dollar, the older woman told the boy's mom to put salt on it. I had instructed them by phone to put nothing but cold water on it. She said that he cried a lot when they put the salt on it. No kidding. I guess it really hurt on the skin where the blisters had popped. The doctor at the emergency room told me that he had seen someone smear toothpaste all over a child burn victim.
18 posted on 08/23/2008 9:40:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: STARWISE

“Sick people being bussed ?”

This is a secondary issue, but since we’re talking about people being taken somewhere by bus, I just have to point this out:

If you’ve been “bussed,” you have just received a nice big wet smacky kiss.

If you’ve been “bused,” you have been taken for a ride. (By Michelle Ma Belle and her friends, in this case.)

Same for “bussing” and “busing.”


19 posted on 08/23/2008 9:42:41 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Marxist Obama will trash the USA for the next 30 years. Vote McCain!)
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To: STARWISE

I hate to say this BUT .. I agree with what they are doing. For years, or decades, the poor, and now illegals, have gone to the ER for help with everyday illnesses that are not emergencies.

DC’s former Mayor Barry once complained that the poor would call 911 for an ambulance to take them to the ER for non-emergencies, taking time, space and financial resources away from where they are truly needed. He was right. He said, further, that many called the ambulance to avoid paying cab fare. Again, he was right. In DC alone I can think of four hospitals that went broke and closed from this type of abuse.

Regular care can and should be taken care of at local clinics and not at emergency rooms.

Using, or over or misusing ER’s is very bad for our health system. Diverting non-emergencies is an excellent idea. WIthout that abuse, costs would be nowhere as high.


20 posted on 08/23/2008 9:48:51 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: heartwood

Gotcha ... I’ve heard the stories as my son is an ER doc. But my question is, as spelled out below, if a teaching hospital has a reputation for specialty diseases/procedures, can they arbitrarily turn away critically ill patients who don’t fall under their specific specialities?

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“In the past, we opened our doors and saw whoever came,” Whitaker said Friday. “We would see a patient who had general pneumonia, and if we needed to see a patient who needed a liver transplant, that liver transplant patient couldn’t get in the door.”

And rather than dump patients on other health care facilities, Whitaker said the initiative actually is improving their bottom lines.

“We were taking general patients away from Mercy Hospital, Michael Reese, and they were financially at risk,” Whitaker said. “We harmed other hospitals without knowing we harmed other hospitals.”

At the same time, the Urban Health Initiative is improving the university’s finances. Fewer poor patients are showing up at the U. of C. emergency room for basic medical treatment and are no longer admitted to the hospital. That frees beds for transplants, cancer care and other more-profitable medical procedures that the university prides itself on.”

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article

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So, I’m taking it that the above seems to be a sensible arrangement? Having been in ER’s several times myself, they obviously take the sickest first, so the docs explanation above doesn’t really sound logical. It does seem that the receiving hospitals could be thrust into financial and staff crisis as a result of this arrangement.


21 posted on 08/23/2008 9:50:07 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

;)


22 posted on 08/23/2008 9:53:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

The Obama’s definition of Change is to make slumlord pals like Resko richer and the organisations that they work for richer, at the expense of the poor.


23 posted on 08/23/2008 10:07:00 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: STARWISE
I also don't know all the ins and out of this story and if/how Michelle & her cronies benefit moneywi$e, but it certainly makes sense for uninsured or underinsured patients to seek non-emergency treatment at a healthcare clinic rather than the ER.

I work weekends at a private healthcare clinic that treats mostly TennCare patients. When parents complain about the 1-2 hour wait on Sunday afternoon, I remind them that the local pediatric ER would be MUCH longer...and I don't think ringworm is an emergency.

24 posted on 08/23/2008 10:11:05 PM PDT by TNdandelion (Paris Hilton for Prez! That's hot.)
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To: TNdandelion

and I don’t think ringworm is an emergency.

```

Sure isn’t.


25 posted on 08/23/2008 10:19:00 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities. Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment.
$317K?
26 posted on 08/23/2008 10:24:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: STARWISE
The last time I had to take my child to the ER for an injury, we waited 6 hours on a hallway gurney. She required a facial xray. The kid next to us arrived after we did and was seen before we were. He had strep throat.

I could understand if this was late at night or on the weekend, but this was at 10:00am on a Monday morning.

27 posted on 08/23/2008 10:25:36 PM PDT by TNdandelion (Paris Hilton for Prez! That's hot.)
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To: STARWISE

For the first time in my life I can say I’m proud of the Chicago SunTimes.


28 posted on 08/23/2008 10:29:14 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: STARWISE
... low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment.

Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.

They're doing cancer treatments and organ transplants in the emergency room? Good grief.

29 posted on 08/23/2008 10:49:47 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: STARWISE

And the same people will line the streets to take a picture of her and him and vote as well....


30 posted on 08/23/2008 10:59:55 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Peace Sucks. It means that somewhere there are terrorists that no one is shooting at.)
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To: STARWISE
"Jarrett was Michelle Obama’s mentor. An aide to Chicago Mayor Richard Daley in the 1990s"

Sen. B. Hussein Obama (D-Chicago Machine)

yitbos

31 posted on 08/23/2008 11:20:54 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: STARWISE

This hospital may prove quite the treasure trove of damning info if people research it enough. Pork city.


32 posted on 08/24/2008 12:51:48 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: STARWISE

This won’t go over well for the phony Obamas.


33 posted on 08/24/2008 3:43:12 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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To: STARWISE

>>”Sick people being bussed?”<<

If the bus were full someone would have to sit in the back seats. Wouldn’t that open up another Rosa Park’s situation?


34 posted on 08/24/2008 4:42:42 AM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in John Bolton/Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: STARWISE
A cesspool of Chicagoland good-ole-boy cronyism, favoritism and corruption!

Someone needs to draw up a big flow chart of the incestuous relationships the Obamas' have with UofC, the hospital and Marxist supporters and business partners.

35 posted on 08/24/2008 5:12:53 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: NautiNurse
Your explanation of EMTALA is 100% accurate. And if Michelle Obama had an honorable intent here, she would be pushing her husband to repeal the EMTALA provisions that require every hospital's ER to effectively be operated as a free clinic.

Instead, because she knows the angles and understands rent-seeking, her first instinct is to game the system to get an exception for her employer at the expense of everyone else.

(I almost said "because she's a liberal" but that is not correct, many so called "conservative" business owners would not hesitate to do the same)

36 posted on 08/24/2008 5:36:45 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: STARWISE
primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.

It's RACIST!

37 posted on 08/24/2008 5:46:40 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: Notary Sojac; STARWISE
That's my one and only interest in this story--and I suspect the MSM is avoiding addressing the issue explicitly.

Found another article where CMS and community is addressed:

Rules for community call

Although CMS does not plan to preapprove hospitals' formal community call arrangements, it will investigate complaints of EMTALA violations. To pass muster, community call plans must:

Source: Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
American Medical News June 16, 2008


38 posted on 08/24/2008 6:09:21 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: STARWISE
Something is *odd*. The U of C Hospital (system) is no longer a Trauma Center. And I KNOW it used to be one as I was involved with the construction of the Bernard A. Mitchell Hospital there (the primary adult inpatient care facility).

It has a HUGH Emergency Room with a Triage Section, which all Trauma Centers have. And I KNOW gun shot victims used to be taken there as it was always in the news.

I don't know if Michelle's group had anything to do with the 'delisting' to save money (99.99% of gang bangers don't have Blue Cross), but this sure seems an odd coincidence.

And for sure I wouldn't want to get caught in a gun battle in Barry's neighborhood now - the closest Trauma Center in Chi. is the County Hospital (Stroger Hosp) over NINE (9) 'losing blood fast' miles away.

39 posted on 08/24/2008 8:49:26 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: TNdandelion

I’m sorry about the wait. That’s very frustrating, when you or your child is in worse condition than people who go ahead.

The child with strep throat was an appropriate patient for Fast Track, quick assessment, education, prescription, in and out. Maybe a nurse-practitioner treating the patients.

Your child was waiting for the X-ray and a radiologist to view the images. The radiologist could have been busy looking at images of in-hospital patients with serious conditions. Does your local ER have its own Xray room or share with the rest of the hospital? The wait is a matter of which the hospital’s resources are freed up and available.


40 posted on 08/24/2008 9:54:02 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: STARWISE

All part of the manipulation and creation of the Manchurian.


41 posted on 08/24/2008 11:19:10 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: aruanan
Sounds like S.Fla. everyone there is on some sort of assistance and no one will even bother to buy health insurance even when they can. ER’s have become the doctors office and it's a zoo. In the areas where people do have insurance law suits are so prevalent mal practice can be 6 figures per year, its all out of control.
42 posted on 08/24/2008 11:29:34 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: OrioleFan

Since Obama quit, telephone poles in Chicago have been free of paper!


43 posted on 08/24/2008 11:49:29 AM PDT by Holicheese (Rasdower, Zap Rasdower!)
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To: STARWISE

What was it that Barry said during The Saddleback Forum? Something about “what you do to the least of these you do unto Me?”


44 posted on 08/24/2008 12:33:17 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (What do Barack Obama and a bowl of chili have in common?)
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To: EDINVA

“DC’s former Mayor Barry once complained that the poor would call 911 for an ambulance to take them to the ER for non-emergencies,....”

....when my wife taught at George Washington University they were trying to quietly sell their hospital...they are right in downtown D.C. and their ER is flooded just like U of Chicago...the cash drain on something like that is unsustainable for any university...it’s a nation wide problem and will only get worse...


45 posted on 08/24/2008 3:56:53 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: heartwood
Thanks. It is a brand new hospital and while the Baptist facility certainly has the Fast track system that you described...I'm not sure if this hospital did. I did elect to wait on a hallway gurney as opposed to a room since her injury wasn't life threatening.

In the situation I described with my child, we were waiting for the initial assessment by the physician. She'd had her temp, bp, etc taken and that was all. I didn't complain though, because you just never know what the reasons were. The nurse was apologetic and that was enough.

I was just just relieved my daughter was ok. She fell flat on her face, hitting the sidewalk while trying to catch the schoolbus. She had a bad habit of letting her bookbag hang long and it literally tripped her. Maybe if I hadn't cleaned ALL the blood off...that would have helped. lol No broken facial bones but her nose was really bruised and she had a black eye. :(

46 posted on 08/24/2008 5:11:47 PM PDT by TNdandelion (Paris Hilton for Prez! That's hot.)
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To: STONEWALLS

I started a reply to you last night when the FR site went kaflooey.

Not sure when you were in DC but the old GW Hospital was torn down a few years ago and a new building put up across the street ... with mega donations from the Reagan and Cheney families (you know, those evil Republicans). The hospital itself is the RWR building and the cardiac center named for Cheney. The facilities are beautiful (as far as hospitals go). The old was nothing short of rancid.

In the meanwhile, DC General, Columbia Hospital for Women, abd Hadley closed as hospitals/ER rooms, and possible Greater Southeast. DC General and Sidley run clinics. I don’t know where patients formerly brought to those facilities in a real emergency are taken, probably split between GW, Howard and Washington Hospital Center.

Unfortunately, so long as patients can go to the ER and not have to show ID, proof of insurance or ability to pay, some will abuse that system. Instead of going to a doctor or clinic, they go to the ER. It’s not just at university hospitals, it’s all of them, and at some critical mass point, it sinks them.


47 posted on 08/25/2008 6:07:45 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

...we lived in Maryland and my wife drove down to GW every day....this was roughly ‘93-’98, and at that time the school was trying to sell the hospital to get out from under the rising costs of operation....the hospital cried foul reminding the school that for many years they had been a revenue stream pumping cash into GW....Humana showed early interest as a buyer; until they looked at the books!.....I’m glad the Reagans/Cheneys helped fund the new facility...Reagan was taken to GW when he got shot.


48 posted on 08/25/2008 6:24:42 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: STARWISE

Voting for Obama “because he’s a Reformer” is like voting for McCain “because he’s a Pacifist”.


49 posted on 08/25/2008 6:43:46 AM PDT by cookcounty (Love That Nuance: "Hey, Umm, Uh-uh, eh-eh, where'd you put uh my eh-eh tele uh teleprompter?")
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To: STONEWALLS

“Reagan was taken to GW when he got shot.”

GW is also where they take Cheney when he’s in DC and has any heart problems and where they took Tim Johnson. It’s the most accessible for most of NW DC.


50 posted on 08/25/2008 8:36:53 AM PDT by EDINVA
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