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Bill Ayers textbook dillema

Posted on 08/23/2008 2:31:55 PM PDT by chrispycsuf

I just recieved my required reading list for some of my teaching courses, and i have since picked up all of my books. Upon opening the first book, i was shocked to see the name William Ayers. Apparently he is the series editor for a series called teaching for social justice. I dont object to him editing a book, however, i have some reservations about paying for a book, where the money is going to a known terrorist. Though he didnt author the book, he did act as editor and he is acknowledged as an inspiration for the author as well. It feels strange to see this from a government-funded public college, but then i just remember that it is CALIFORNIA. I dont think advice from a terrorist is going to help me become an effective teacher.


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1 posted on 08/23/2008 2:32:21 PM PDT by chrispycsuf
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To: chrispycsuf

Hello? What, did you think that sociology (or whatever other department you’re in) at almost any public college in the USA isn’t leftist? It isn’t just California.


2 posted on 08/23/2008 2:36:21 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: chrispycsuf
"What do you all think?"

I think you should mention the title and provide a link.

3 posted on 08/23/2008 2:37:01 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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teaching for social justice

That shoulda been your first clue!

What course is this for?

4 posted on 08/23/2008 2:37:06 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: chrispycsuf

Consider posting informatio on the school and course. It is usually a bad idea in my opinion to question anything put forward as required of students at a univeristy-but others can do so safely.
If it is a notorious liberal ran school, our condolences. I would suggest another, better, school.


5 posted on 08/23/2008 2:37:48 PM PDT by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron; ISBN 1-4137-5397-3.)
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To: chrispycsuf

Social Justice is a euphemism for communism.

Since that is their belief system, the book should be free. Steal it without a guilty conscience.


6 posted on 08/23/2008 2:39:01 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: chrispycsuf

That would make for an interesting first day’s discussion, but then you’re likely to recieve a failing grade for the class.


7 posted on 08/23/2008 2:39:25 PM PDT by itsthejourney
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To: chrispycsuf

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/

Ayers speech before Hugo Chavez, 2006

World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

I also thank my youngest son, Chesa Boudin, who is interpreting my talk this morning and whose book on the Bolivarian revolution has played an important part in countering the barrage of lies spread by the U.S. State Department and the corrupted Northamerican media.

I began teaching when I was 20 years old in a small freedom school affiliated with the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. The year was 1965, and I’d been arrested in a demonstration. Jailed for ten days, I met several activists who were finding ways to link teaching and education with deep and fundamental social change.

I walked out of jail and into my first teaching position—and from that day until this I’ve thought of myself as a teacher, but I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice.

I taught at first in something like a Simoncito—called Head Start—and eventually taught at every level in barrios and prisons and insurgent projects across the United States. I learned then that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? At bottom, it involves a struggle over the essential questions: what does it mean to be a human being living in a human society?

more....


8 posted on 08/23/2008 2:40:30 PM PDT by roses of sharon ((Who sent Barack Hussein Obama?))
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To: LibFreeOrDie

There is no link...its a printout of book titles...the book is titled “Holler if you Hear Me.” Its not a sociology course. Its a book for “Teaching Diverse Student Populations in Secondary Schools:....a required course for my teaching credential. I have started reading and really dont see a connection to the course at all.


9 posted on 08/23/2008 2:41:26 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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About the Weather Underground-related police killing mentioned in the new anti-Obama video

For those who do not know, the 'police killing' mentioned in this latest video on Bill Ayers and his revolutionary communist / "domestic terrorist" organization, the Weather Underground, occurred during a 1981 Brinks truck robbery in Upstate, New York. Details at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066765/posts

10 posted on 08/23/2008 2:42:17 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: BamaAndy

CSU Fullerton


11 posted on 08/23/2008 2:45:15 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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To: chrispycsuf
LINK
12 posted on 08/23/2008 2:45:28 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: chrispycsuf

Let me ask you this, what kind of book do you think something called “Teaching for Social Justice” edited by a know terrorist and America hater is going to be? My suggestion is to find a different teaching college. There are hundreds of them that don’t promote socialism.


13 posted on 08/23/2008 2:46:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: chrispycsuf

Are you a student or a teacher in this course? If you are a teacher, teach your students that this is commie crap, and that one of the editors is a non-repentent communist. Introduce them to Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci.


14 posted on 08/23/2008 2:46:52 PM PDT by Defiant (The Obamessiah creed: There was a pedophile named Mohammed, and Obama is his messenger.)
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To: Malsua

I’ve been calling it secular theology. It is a belief system that there is a government program that will solve all the world’s ills if we just offer up enough money.

I also like euphemism for communisim.


15 posted on 08/23/2008 2:48:38 PM PDT by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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To: chrispycsuf
What do you all think?

Get used to it. College campuses are run by anti-American left-wing kooks who think they are smarter than everyone else.

16 posted on 08/23/2008 2:49:12 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Defiant

No, i am student looking to become a teacher.


17 posted on 08/23/2008 2:49:44 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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To: chrispycsuf

Steal a copy of the book.
Seriously.


18 posted on 08/23/2008 2:49:44 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Kozak

Tempting, rather tempting. But that only harms my morals.


19 posted on 08/23/2008 2:50:48 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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To: chrispycsuf
Get George Costanza to return it for you, but be sure he doesn't take it into the bathroom to read first.
20 posted on 08/23/2008 2:50:48 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: roses of sharon
I learned then that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? At bottom, it involves a struggle over the essential questions: what does it mean to be a human being living in a human society?

I agree completely with Bill here.

Although I suspect we differ considerably on what ends education should be designed to achieve.

21 posted on 08/23/2008 2:51:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: chrispycsuf

You should very much expect that any course containing the words “social justice” is going to be dripping with leftist propaganda.

Maybe you can tell me - what is the definition of “social justice?” I hear the word thrown around so much, but have never heard a proper definition.


22 posted on 08/23/2008 2:56:33 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: All
From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."

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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, pg 95.

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For much more on the ObamaRats and the strong communist angle in all this, i.e. the one being largely ignored by both the left AND most of the right-wing media, particularly the more popular personalities like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingram, Bill O'Reilly, etc, please check out my FR Home page. Everything there is well documented and linked directly to its source. Thanks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl

23 posted on 08/23/2008 2:57:15 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: chrispycsuf

Spending money on such a book is a problem. Spending time and money on a course that uses such a book is a much bigger problem. That’s what I think.


24 posted on 08/23/2008 2:58:10 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: chrispycsuf
The textbook industry has been corrupting thinking for teacher preparation and textbooks used in the classroom for decades. As a retired teacher, I have been so appalled. They get leftists on school boards to approve the texts, school board member to be elected must be supported by the local NEA. Then the text book industry writes books for the largest cities where socialism has totally taken over and they get big buys from large cities. And then the choice for smaller districts is limited. So the text book curriculum is appalling, biased, and sequenced poorly in history, science, and math texts. And you as a teacher in training have no options of what to read for your preparation. Except read Mr. Gatto (can't remember his first name (maybe Thomas) but he was teacher of the year in NY for a number of years and has written many books about teaching. He was absolutely successful with public school hard to handle kids and a real rebel to the cirriculum.)

Good luck to you. Remember it's not the method of teaching as much as it is the quality of information and presentation.
Sincerely,
Cordio

25 posted on 08/23/2008 3:00:21 PM PDT by Cordio
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To: chrispycsuf

One of the best indicators you’re entering the Leftist Zone is dishonesty. Remember the fake indian in Colorado? The “end jstifies the means” concept slithers into slimy minds like a serpent. Kind of like the father of dishonesty...


26 posted on 08/23/2008 3:00:21 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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When I went to school the teachers actually knew how to spell.
dillema?


27 posted on 08/23/2008 3:00:42 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: chrispycsuf; All
The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

28 posted on 08/23/2008 3:01:26 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: chrispycsuf

are you sure its is the same Bill Ayers? I knew a Billy Ayers when I was a youngster, Billy was the fattest kid in 6th grade.


29 posted on 08/23/2008 3:01:26 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Sherman Logan
Yes, you do differ (I'm sure you read the entire speech?), and more info below on Ayers “teaching” beliefs.

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm

EVERYONE should take the time to read the FBI files on Hussein’s Chicago mentors, Weather Underground, Venceremos Brigade, Communist Party, and the PLO.

Seriously, Ayers’s fingerprints were even found in the “bomb factory” apartment.

But there is so much more, this groups’ Cuban, ME, and Soviet connections are stunning

30 posted on 08/23/2008 3:01:31 PM PDT by roses of sharon ((Who sent Barack Hussein Obama?))
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To: chrispycsuf

I found a paperback edition of the book on Amazon. It was published in 1998 that lists Ayers, along with Jean Ann Hunt and Therese Quinn. There are 41 used editions that start at $3.44 and go up from there. Is that the same book? If so, you’d be better off paying the least amount for it.


31 posted on 08/23/2008 3:03:02 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Sherman Logan

I am an economist that teaches at a major university. In my microeconomics course, I talked about resource allocation and why the free market price system is the most efficient way to allocate resources.

This is the exact opposite of the “social justice” school which believes that the free market price system is discriminatory because minorities have less wealth than whites. Once you move away from the price system, you have rationing which is what the Democrats want.

Ayers is wrong (on many levels) about everything being inherently slanted, biased and political. In the soft areas like English, Sociology, Education, etc., that is not from the truth. Ayers is an intellectual weakling that hangs with the other “Easy A” professors (a good play on “Easy 8”s for you veterans). Hence, I have tried for years to get rid of the soft areas (typically unionized).

By the way, OBAMA WAS NOT A LAW PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO. He was a lecturer (which is an adjunct position). And UI-Chicago where Ayers is located is a joke compared to University of Chicago, Northwestern and UI-Champaign.

P.S. I was a Professor at University of Chicago for 8 years.


32 posted on 08/23/2008 3:04:50 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: chrispycsuf

You might also want to check the libraries in your area and see if they have it on their shelves. This way you wouldn’t have to pay for it at all. Just keep renewing it. I used to do that so I wouldn’t have to pay for a book.


33 posted on 08/23/2008 3:05:15 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: chrispycsuf

Naw. Think of it as an act of “social justice”, after all
by stealing the book, you deprive a confessed terrorist of support and funds. Ditto the University bookstore that is supporting this sham of a course and it’s terrorist leftist agenda.

Barring that, borrow the book from a classmate or the library, and xerox yourself a copy. Better yet xerox LOTs of copies and hand them out to like thinking classmates.


34 posted on 08/23/2008 3:14:21 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: PGR88

The problem i am facing is the course does not involve social justice but rather diversity in education


35 posted on 08/23/2008 3:15:39 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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No, I am student looking to become a teacher.

You should find this interesting: Communism For Kids

Give your students the tools for success and happiness:

Foster their sense of independence and self reliance.
Show them how to think for themselves.

If you accomplish that you will have done something to be proud of.

36 posted on 08/23/2008 3:15:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: roses of sharon

Nice link! Thanks for posting.


37 posted on 08/23/2008 3:18:32 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: isom35

It is the same Ayers


38 posted on 08/23/2008 3:18:48 PM PDT by chrispycsuf (Where have all the conservatives gone?)
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OK, this is really sad. I’m looking on the Fullerton Web site for more info about the course, and found a program called “Postsecondary Reading and Learning”

“enormous demand for trained reading professionals with expertise in postsecondary settings - particularly at the community college level.”

“linked to the California mandate under AB 1725 for community college faculty who have either an MS in Reading or an MS in English with certification in Postsecondary Reading.”

In other words, students at community colleges do not know how to read, so let’s produce reading teachers to work at the college level now... WTF have the reading teachers at the K-12 level been doing???


39 posted on 08/23/2008 3:19:41 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: chrispycsuf

What do I think? In the words of a very well known Leftwingtard ~ “Steal This Book”!


40 posted on 08/23/2008 3:22:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jean S
When I went to school the teachers actually knew how to spell.

dillema?

That's OK when my wife was doing an MA in education she gave me one of her papers to proofread. She became defensive when I, a mere engineer, pointed out that she had used the word "dilemma" when she clearly meant "predicament."

In the case at hand, I suppose this is actually a dilemma, a choice of two evils, but the word I would have used is "dilemma".

When I went to school teachers would have consulted a dictionary for proper spelling of either word. I doubt they would have made any distinction between them, however.

41 posted on 08/23/2008 3:22:59 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!

"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Bill Ayers' own website:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

'Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,' he [Ayers] said."
August 2001, Chicago Magazine (article: No Regrets)

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/

42 posted on 08/23/2008 3:23:57 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: chrispycsuf

Do you want to keep your job, or not?


43 posted on 08/23/2008 3:24:16 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: chrispycsuf

As Abbey Hoffman said: “Steal This Book”!


44 posted on 08/23/2008 3:25:47 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: LibFreeOrDie

“what course is this for”

For to graduate, they long ago made this bilge _mandatory_.


45 posted on 08/23/2008 3:27:01 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: whitedog57
Ayers is wrong (on many levels) about everything being inherently slanted, biased and political.

That's not exactly what he said in the section I quoted. He said, "school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom?"

People always have disagreements about these issues. They are inherently political.

Choosing to teach the truth is every bit as much a political choice as choosing to teach falsehood. In today's world, oddly enough, doing so, as you do, is wildly revolutionary.

As Thomas Sowell has pointed out, the essentially libertarian vision of the American founders is the only truly revolutionary political ideology. All others insist that the people must be dominated by an annointed elite group, differing only about who that group should be and what they should do with their power.

Only the American Revolution came up with the idea that the people should be allowed to lead their own lives as THEY see fit.

46 posted on 08/23/2008 3:27:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: chrispycsuf
Diversity in education would be, of course, English, Calculus, Biochemistry, Physics, and that all time favorite of the learned classes, Topology.

All that other stuff is just the same old CR*P sorted differently ~ no diversity at all.

47 posted on 08/23/2008 3:27:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibFreeOrDie

guinea pigs at the unis for the psychotics.


48 posted on 08/23/2008 3:28:09 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: chrispycsuf

bkmark


49 posted on 08/23/2008 3:33:41 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: roses of sharon

“education is the motor-force of revolution” He doesn’t mean education, he means indoctrination...Education should teach truth....


50 posted on 08/23/2008 3:35:55 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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