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The Section On Firearms From A Draft Of The DNC's Platform "Renewing America’s Promise"
theatlantic.com ^ | Aug 21, 2008 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 08/22/2008 4:04:17 PM PDT by neverdem

Firearms
We recognize that the right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ continued Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact and enforce common-sense laws and improvements, like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system and reinstating the assault weapons ban, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Acting responsibly and with respect for differing views on this issue, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; banglist; bullshiite; bullshirt; congress; democrats; dncplatform; elections; garbage; nobama08; nuanced; obama; shallnotbeinfringed; unlawful
The source link is a PDF LINK

http://www.nra.org/

According to Wayne LaPierre, in his section "What They Didn't Tell You Today," of August 21, 2008, on the NRA's homepage, the above excerpt is the section on firearms from a draft of the DNC's platform. It's lines 11 - 20 from page 43 of the original document, page 46 of 54 on my pdf page counter.

The section "What They Didn't Tell You Today," can't be copied and pasted, so I own any errors even though I copied from the pdf link, and I'll appreciate any corrections. I have no doubt that there are other interesting sections of their platform, but this is the section that primarily made me choose my screen name.

1 posted on 08/22/2008 4:04:18 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.

Interesting view of what a right is. Do they hold the same relative view on speech and religion as well?

2 posted on 08/22/2008 4:07:27 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: neverdem

well, thats dem tactics,,just say they support something and do the opposite


3 posted on 08/22/2008 4:09:45 PM PDT by coalman (type to slow to be relevant,but I try)
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To: neverdem

(We recognize that the right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ continued Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. )

TWO points Dems.
1. the right to bear arms is not a “tradition” it is a garuanteed Constitutional Right.
2. What ohter Constitutional Right should we vary according to where an American lives? How about the right to an abortion? What works for Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.
Wihter it is EVERY citizns right or it is not. If it is not then YOU should work to change the Constitution.


4 posted on 08/22/2008 4:12:32 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: neverdem
as usual they say just about ANYTHING to get elected - even if it goes against 128 years of track record to the contrary!!

The dumb sheeple will drink it up and keep saying YAY!! and after the election its back to business as usual.

5 posted on 08/22/2008 4:13:37 PM PDT by prophetic (God, let Obama speak utter foolishness and confound the wisdom of his counselors)
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To: neverdem
but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.

What gun control legislation "works" in Chicago? Chicago has completely banned handgun ownership, and has the second highest murder rate in the Country.

Statements like this from the Dimbocrat party just make me laugh out loud.

6 posted on 08/22/2008 4:14:56 PM PDT by usconservative (My Plan For Reform Government: Hang 'em all on Thursday; Try 'em all for treason on Friday.)
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To: neverdem

Time to get myself an AR-15, I s’pose they count as “a salt weapon”.


7 posted on 08/22/2008 4:15:50 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: neverdem
Democrats -- raise taxes, fund socialism, and gun control. You need to think why gun control figures so prominently in Democrat plans.
8 posted on 08/22/2008 4:19:20 PM PDT by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: SampleMan

Considering speech codes apparent in colleges, and McLame-Feingold, I’d say yes.


9 posted on 08/22/2008 4:20:05 PM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: Tarpon

I’ll say it, because nobody else does anymore.

They’re fascistic communists that will probably implement Maoist plans once control is assured.


10 posted on 08/22/2008 4:21:34 PM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: neverdem
We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation,

Reasonable regulation means complete banning of all firearms eventually. This is simply a blatant attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters in regards to the dems anti-gun agenda.

11 posted on 08/22/2008 4:25:08 PM PDT by calex59
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To: neverdem
“......and keep our communities and our children safe.”

By letting law abiding citizens have guns and making sure that street gangs do some serious time whenever they either have one in their possession or use it in a crime. If any kid under 18 who has one (as in a gang member passing the gun to them) they they're in the lockup until they're 21 .....

12 posted on 08/22/2008 4:30:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do To Us Our Liberal Democrat Politicians Will")
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To: Crazieman

They’re fascistic communists that will probably implement Maoist plans once control is assured.

Rule #1. You cannot have organs of internal security with out internal enemies.

Rule #2. If you don’t have internal enemies, make them.


13 posted on 08/22/2008 4:31:43 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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14 posted on 08/22/2008 4:38:13 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

“We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation...”

So, why would this right be subject to ‘reasonable regulation’ and not the others?
And, who determines what’s reasonable?

Nope, don’t fall for this stupidity. SCOTUS has clearly spoken on the validity and extent of the Second Amendment. Attempts to re-interpret that decision should be recognized as pure, unadulterated Judicial Activism.

It’s all in the tag line...


15 posted on 08/22/2008 4:46:51 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: 1066AD

And, get plenty of those hi-cap magazines, too. They were on the list the last time, IIRC.

If the solid waste contacts the rotating turbulence generator, you’ll need more than one...many more than one.


16 posted on 08/22/2008 4:50:09 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: PubliusMM

.....SCOTUS has clearly spoken .....

It’s settled law..... therefore it can be broken with praise to the lawbreakers.


17 posted on 08/22/2008 4:50:22 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: neverdem

Same old statist/collectivist BS!


18 posted on 08/22/2008 4:53:19 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: SampleMan
"but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne."


19 posted on 08/22/2008 4:53:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Obama: The presumptuous democratic nominee)
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To: neverdem
but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne

No, but what works in Cheyenne would definitely work in Chicago. Morons. It's an inalienable right, not a privelege.

20 posted on 08/22/2008 4:53:50 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: neverdem

nuff said there.....there are gun grabbers when it suits them plain and simple

unless Billy Ayers needs some


21 posted on 08/22/2008 4:55:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (SAVE A TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........................EAT A BEAVER.)
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To: neverdem

Socialist Rat Cork Soakers !

Doom on em forever !


22 posted on 08/22/2008 4:56:49 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
“so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals” OOPS, to late!!!
23 posted on 08/22/2008 5:01:47 PM PDT by carcraft (The Obamalator, sold on TV, very expensive,doesn't work , is a cheap copy of the original Caterlator)
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To: IYAS9YAS
No, but what works in Cheyenne would definitely work in Chicago.

WINNER!

24 posted on 08/22/2008 5:25:39 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: neverdem
We can work together to enact and enforce common-sense laws and improvements, like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system and reinstating the assault weapons ban, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals.

Yeah, those darned loopholes and background check problems -- and whoopie-daisy, a gun just "fell into" the hands of a terrorist.

Gawd. Sometimes, you just have to laugh.

25 posted on 08/22/2008 5:27:24 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: SampleMan
This is probably just another democrat program with a misleading name like The Fairness Doctrine. Renewing America's Promise probably contains laws that take all guns away from us, except BB guns. We really need to get rid of the power hungry douche-bags in the democrat party.They are dishonest scum who want total control over our lives.
26 posted on 08/22/2008 5:35:19 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: wardaddy; Squantos; workerbee

Personally, I’m happy as a pig in shyt. The rats are showing their true colors again on the Second Amendment. They didn’t in 2006, and they took back the Congress. Since 1994, when the Second Amendment is an issue, the donkeys do poorly.


27 posted on 08/22/2008 5:43:36 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

Any guesses as to who is their VP pick yet ?


28 posted on 08/22/2008 5:45:23 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem
... we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.

Does that hold for the right of free speech ... what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne? Or freedom of religion?

29 posted on 08/22/2008 5:59:47 PM PDT by choirboy
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To: Squantos
Any guesses as to who is their VP pick yet ?

I have no clue other than it should be conservative female or conservative minority from a battleground state.

The farther west that you go, the more easily that you can swap libertarian for conservative. The libertarians, big and small 'l', just want to be left alone. That was another reason that they lost the Congress in 2006 - that ban on internet gambling got the libertarians riled up. IIRC, Jim Leach, the boneheaded sponsor in the House, was sent packing. The Libertarian column of votes was larger than the margin of victory for the Senate seats of Montana and Virginia.

30 posted on 08/22/2008 6:12:42 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

For the DNC ?!?!?


31 posted on 08/22/2008 6:17:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
No, for the GOP.

I don't care about Obama. Nobody is going to help that Marxist except Hillary, another Marxist, because of the Party United My @ss factor. This is where the female vote hurts the rats. Their heart was set on Hillary just because of her sex.

32 posted on 08/22/2008 6:38:41 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

from my cold dead hands..


33 posted on 08/22/2008 7:01:24 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: neverdem

How about we adopt a simple 2nd amendment platform that states: “Oh, golly, what happened to the Tories in 1776 who tried to steal our arms could happen to you.”

Succinct. Straightforward. And it doesn’t say a damn thing about duck hunting.


34 posted on 08/22/2008 7:14:23 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave

We believe that the unwritten USSC made up right to abortion is subject to reasonalble restriction and will fight to pass laws that ban all abortions except considering the life of the mother. We belive this common sense regulation will be best “FOR THE CHILDREN” who needlessly die due to poverty, racism and the violence of the inner cities due to abortion violence. >s>


35 posted on 08/22/2008 7:25:45 PM PDT by therut
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To: neverdem

When referring to her, try not to put “Hillary” and “sex” in the same sentence.

:)


36 posted on 08/22/2008 8:02:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: neverdem
so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

They always will fall into the hands of terrorists and criminals.

What dopes.

The only reasonable regulation of the 2nd amendment is "none". Thats the way it works in Vermont and in Wyoming. And we have very little gun crime and terrorism in these states.

The reason: citizens are shooters.

And liberal socialists don't want citizen shooters, because we prevent the implimentation of their Nanny State Communism, which they do by making the populace co-dependant on government for the safety of their very lives.

No government protects my life. I alone am responsible for that. WHen the chips are down, like they were in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina, the government could care less about anyone's life. They just wanted to look good, or promote governmental ideology.

This part of the Dem platform is the beginning of the Obama fascist initiative. Make no mistake about it.The lid is off, and what we see inside is decidedly ugly, couched in "civilized. easy to swallow terms.

All the dems are doing is incurring disrespect and outright hatred from millions of patriotic Americans who can fend for themselves, any day of the week.And we also will make ourselves heard on the issue.

Not only that. This part of the platform offends many, many democrats who do not support it and recognize it for the begnning of the end of patriotic America, and our tradition of individual independence and self help. They recognize it as Orwellian.

No one will ban or regulate presently owned guns in Vermont. The authorities would be creating a guerrilla movement if they tried.

37 posted on 08/22/2008 9:40:13 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: Crazieman
You're right that 1A is variable; you're wrong that it varies by location. It actually varies by who you are.
Liberal: free speech so solid that even declining to buy somebody's stuff based on their speech is censorship.
Conservative: anything you say is inherently hate speech.
38 posted on 08/23/2008 8:32:41 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 08/23/2008 9:13:30 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Crazieman
"I’ll say it, because nobody else does anymore."

They’re fascistic communists that will probably implement Maoist plans once control is assured.

I suspectLiz Michael is not going to like that one bit.

40 posted on 08/23/2008 9:24:11 AM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: SampleMan

It’s all relative!


41 posted on 08/23/2008 11:20:54 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: neverdem

42 posted on 08/23/2008 12:00:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin; Squantos; Clintonfatigued
Regardless of my previous comments on this thread about battleground states, I would not be surprised with Sarah Palin as McCain's VP pick.


A picture is worth a thousand words, and she's a tomboy mom with 5 kids to boot! Her firstborn is a soldier.

43 posted on 08/23/2008 3:47:55 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem; fieldmarshaldj; Norman Bates; Impy

Sarah Palin is a great lady, no doubt about it. But it may be too soon to put her on a national ticket. Also, she may be needed to run for the Senate if Ted Stevens is forced out of the race.


44 posted on 08/23/2008 3:52:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: neverdem

I will go out on a limb and agree ......it’s gonna be a lady.....Kay Bailey Hutchenson or Sarah . A lock for McCain to win with such a VP. ........if he’s smart !


45 posted on 08/23/2008 3:57:16 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

A tough lady from a tough state will do fine. Kay Bailey Hutchenson fills the bill.

I can’t believe Obama picked Biden. He’s a threefer, a plughead, another kind of head - you can guess what I mean - and another plagiarist!

Two plagiarists are on the same ticket. I think my prayers are being answered, but I better keep praying. Overconfidence is a killer.


46 posted on 08/23/2008 4:32:41 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

We can just use what Biden has said about Obamination and beat him !

Collect the clipings, sound bites and interviews , play em every day and call it a defeat for the socialists !


47 posted on 08/23/2008 4:36:48 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem
We can work together to enact and enforce common-sense laws and improvements, like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system and reinstating the assault weapons ban, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals.

Those were fightin' words in 1994, and they're fightin' words today...

48 posted on 08/23/2008 4:48:06 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
ricochet!
49 posted on 08/23/2008 10:31:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I get the impression women feel slighted by Obama, McCain has a real opening here for female running mate.


50 posted on 08/24/2008 2:49:26 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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