California Attorney General Sues Gun Club Over Forest Fires (6 Million Dollars!)

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[Copernicus]

The suit, filed in late July in Trinity County Superior Court, alleges that the gun club was hosting a “service rifle shoot” on July 29, 2006, in which participants where firing assault weapons, including Ruger Mini 14s and Armalite AR-15s.

[Copernicus]

As President William (BJ)Jefferson Clinton said "We will bend every possible rule"

Good thing we have the "Vote Freedom First" Administration to bring a halt to this kind of nonsense.

[freekitty]

It is nonsense

[From The Deer Stand]

All the Gun Club has to do is declare that they are Democrats and the MSM and Rat party will come to their aide.

[Army Air Corps]

...in which participants where firing assault weapons, including Ruger Mini 14s...[emphasis added]

The author just won the Stupid Prat of the Day Award.

[Red Badger]

Who filed the suit and what evidence do they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the fire was as a result of the clubs event?.................

[Copernicus]

Ping to Banglist. The War On RKBA continues unabated.

What will happen under Obama or ObamaLITE(McCain)

Best regards,

[Red Badger]

Whenever someone says that near me, I usually say, “ALL weapons are “assault weapons” That’s what they’re made for.”.....................

[Copernicus]

Who filed the suit and what evidence do they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the fire was as a result of the clubs event?.................

Evidence? We don't need no stink'in evidence!

Best regards,

[absolootezer0]

properly equipped, yes, a mini14 can turn froma harmless ranch rifle into an EBR.

[markman46]

Jerry moonbeam Brown calif AG... dang I widh we could recall his loon butt

[Lurking Libertarian]

what evidence do they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the fire was as a result of the clubs event?

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is only needed in criminal cases. If (and I recognize this is a big "if") the AG can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that (1)they acted negligently, and (2) that their negligence started the fire, then yes, they should be liable.

[bravo whiskey]

agree. i don’t care what it looks like, if it isn’t fully automatic it isn’t an assault rifle. these are tha same idiots that think everything with tracks is a tank and bulldozers have wheels (jerusalem attack)

[Red Badger]

But knowing Jerry Moonbeam and his minions I would not put it past them to manufacture evidence in cases such as these...............

[John123]

This article is misleading... it isn't about the right to bear arms... this is just a simple liability case... a sparking bullet was alleged to cause the fire and burn down a house...

If the state can prove their case... then it is the Gun Club's responsibility to make good.

[FFranco]

I think that because this is a civil suit the standard of proof is not ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ Instead, the prosecution will be required to prove there is ‘clear and convincing’ evidence they were responsible. That is a lower level of proof.

[Myrddin]

When is the AG going to start suing "gay" groups to recover the taxpayer subsidies for treating AIDS infected gays? The gay groups are promoting the behavior and the health care burden foisted on the taxpayers is astronomical. Perhaps that isn't "politically correct". Attacking gun clubs brings cheers from the lefties. It's more political grandstanding.

[r9etb]

Hm. I guess it would be too much work for the author of this piece to actually tell us whether or not the fire in question was actually caused by the event in question....

If the shooters actually did cause the fire, then I guess they should get the same treatment as anybody else who causes a fire ... and this is it.

[Bitsy]

All the Gun Club has to do is declare that they are Democrats and the MSM and Rat party will come to their aide.

I dunno Rats are used to eating their own.

[Red Badger]

In California, juries have the IQ of a warm day in Siberia.............

[the anti-liberal]

Too bad we can’t sue enviro-mental-ists for making it impossible go properly thin and maintain forests and so being the direct cause of increasingly more dangerous and damaging forest fires.

[SECURE AMERICA]

Starting Forest Fires is a criminal offense.
If the CaliMexiHomoia Government had evidence as to who started the fire they would have pressed crinimal charges.
However in Civil Court you can sue anyone for any reason and need very little evidence if any to win.
This is obvoiusly about money. Since CaliMexiHomoia is bankrupt and in serious debt, this action by their AG is hardly surprising....

[umgud]

What if it turns out that the weapon that actually caused the fire isn’t an “assuault weapon? Maybe the offending weapon was a single shot .223?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

From another article, HERE it appears that no one disagrees that the fire started at the gun club during the shoot. The government is alleging that someone was firing tracers and those started the fire. The gun club is arguing that it was either a bullet hitting a piece of iron ore and spreading sparks, or sunlight shining through a broken bottle.

[GladesGuru]

Perhaps the people known as the Obabanation chose the Mini-14 as their “assault weapon”?

The Kalifornia AG is walking, talking proof of the Proctological Theory of Theology. That theological construct is based upon the hypothesis that the Almighty must be a proctologist, because only a proctologist could love a$$holes to have allowed so many of them to be walking the streets.

[GladesGuru]

The “Trinity” paper is rather far from ‘divinely accurate’. Examine, if you will, the following quote from the article:
“The complaint filed through the state Attorney General’s Office at the Trinity County Courthouse alleges that the gun club was negligent in failing to maintain dry brush at the range.”

“.. failing to maintain dry brush” ? ? ? ?

Dry brush and/or dry grass was the problem, but the presstitute didn’t understand what was really the issues in this case.

[GladesGuru]

The “Trinity” paper is rather far from ‘divinely accurate’. Examine, if you will, the following quote from the article:
“The complaint filed through the state Attorney General’s Office at the Trinity County Courthouse alleges that the gun club was negligent in failing to maintain dry brush at the range.”

“.. failing to maintain dry brush” ? ? ? ?

Dry brush and/or dry grass was the problem, but the presstitute didn’t understand what was really the issues in this case.

[DBrow]

And so what if it was their fault?

Years back, there was a fire lit by a homeless illegal living in the scrub. They caught him and let him go.

Next week, a hunter's cigarette lit the scrub on fire somewhere else, they fined him hundreds of thousands.

Last year, most of the fires were set, no perps that I ever read about.

Gun club on developable land with water and septic, though, sue them into bankruptcy so they can sell.

[JimC214]

Nice set up on the Mini 14. I prefer a solid stock, but still thats damn nice,

[Enterprise]

From the beginning it was broadcast that the fire was started because of firearms target practice. I just hope that the club has good liability insurance.

[ßuddaßudd]

Well,,,they do shoot the same caliber as the AR15’s. Sensationalism at its best.

[Army Air Corps]

Sensationalism at its best.

Prezactly. I wonder what they would say about my SKS?

[ßuddaßudd]

You are a threat to society.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Gun club on developable land with water and septic, though, sue them into bankruptcy so they can sell.

They don't own it. It's BLM land leased by the county. Apparently the local gun club just ran it. Also, don't assume that just because this is in California that it's ripe for development. Trinity county is as boonies as you can get. It doesn't have a single incorporated town or a single stoplight. It's pretty much all mountains and forest, with a couple of state highways snaking through the river bottoms. The population density is about 4 people per square mile. It's also thoroughly Republican. The last Democratic presidential candidate to win there was Lyndon Johnson.

[wastedyears]

That’s a pretty rifle. I just don’t like forward hand grips.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

This just in... Assault weapons cause lightning strikes! Film at 11:00!

[Copernicus]

If the shooters actually did cause the fire, then I guess they should get the same treatment as anybody else who causes a fire ... and this is it.

According to the link, the cause of the fire is criminal mismanagement of forest resources by Government Policies.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

If the state can prove their case... then it is the Gun Club's responsibility to make good.

Apparently if the fuel load was at the proper level in the forest, these fires would not be as disasterous as they have become.

Best regards,

[Still Thinking]

I think in civil cases, neither side is entitled to any presumption, so the standard is “preponderance of evidence”, meaning that whoever achieves 50.01% or better wins.

[John123]

You could be right about that. Let's see how the court decides the liability...

best regards

[Copernicus]

Let's see how the court decides the liability...

In California? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They will slam that gun club as hard as they can.

Best regards,

[A CA Guy]

If there is DIRECT evidense that can link the club and these guns to the fires, then I would guess they have a case.

If this is just a vendetta and there is no case, then the Gun Club should be able to sue and collect millions in damages for defamation of their name and reputation.

[Copernicus]

If this is just a vendetta and there is no case

Call me skeptical, but I think this is nothing but a vendetta, that is why they filed the case in the first place.

As far as justice, California is epicenter for the 9th Circus Court of Appeals.

If it involves guns they want it banned.

Best regards,