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Reservoir levels plummet; rationing seen on horizon (SoCal)
The Orange County Register ^ | August 19, 2008 | PAT BRENNAN

Posted on 08/19/2008 1:22:17 PM PDT by TheDon

An important California reservoir is nearing its lowest level in 30 years, and other state reservoirs also are very low – more evidence of a gathering water crisis that could lead to mandatory rationing in Southern California by next year, state officials say.

The Oroville Reservoir in Northern California, a major supply reservoir for water that eventually flows into the Southern California region, is down to 38 percent of its capacity, according to the state Department of Water Resources.

By Sept. 30, Oroville, about 75 miles north of Sacramento, is expected to hit its lowest level since 1977, and by year's end, the lowest level since records have been kept, said Wendy Martin, the statewide drought coordinator.

The agency's Web site says precipitation statewide was 30 percent of average in April, May and June, the sixth driest of 114 years on record – powerfully affecting the Sierra snow pack, which melts and drains into Oroville.

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Much depends on how much rain the state receives during the coming winter months.

"It's going to be an ongoing story here over the next several months, kind of no matter how it plays out," Patterson said. "Either there is going to be widespread rationing around the state, or we dodge the bullet and it gets wet."

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Tightened supplies are likely to drive up water rates, water agency officials say. And if the coming winter is relatively dry, local water agencies could impose rationing next year, said Karl Seckel, assistant general manager for the Municipal Water District.

"We're laying the groundwork for mandatory rationing in 2009 – meetings, plans are being laid, so if we have to implement it, we can flip the switch and go to mandatory," he said.


(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: desalination; environment; water
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Way past time for desalination plants up and down the coast!
1 posted on 08/19/2008 1:22:18 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon

Bingo.


2 posted on 08/19/2008 1:24:33 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: TheDon

So how many SC golf courses and lawns are getting watered every day?


3 posted on 08/19/2008 1:26:26 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: TheDon
Reservoir levels plummet

California sucks?

4 posted on 08/19/2008 1:29:46 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: TheDon

it’s not cost effective, is it?


5 posted on 08/19/2008 1:32:15 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Lawn watering already limited to 3x per week in Palmdale, north of Los Angeles. Leave my golf course alone. :-D


6 posted on 08/19/2008 1:33:57 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: TheDon

We have never had enough water that we could share it with millions.


7 posted on 08/19/2008 1:33:57 PM PDT by Linden1209
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

When we redid our back yard last year I researched artificial turf alternatives to a sod lawn. They are relatively expensive, but pretty dang good looking and feeling— and of course require zero water and much less maintenance.

I practically begged my wife to let me install it, but she INSISTED on a real lawn. Now, I’m out there practically every weekend mowing, weeding, adjusting and fixing sprinklers, reseeding trouble spots, etc. The water bill is ridiculous. Plus, we got a female dog recently and every time she pees on the lawn she burns a hole in it.

Never gonna listen to that dang woman again.


8 posted on 08/19/2008 1:34:14 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: TheDon

Southern California is naturally a desert and must take water from other areas - and the population of Southern California continually grows and uses more and more water.


9 posted on 08/19/2008 1:34:23 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: agooga
we got a female dog recently and every time she pees on the lawn she burns a hole in it

Thats some powerful stuff, maybe you should bottle it and put it on ebay. lol

10 posted on 08/19/2008 1:37:30 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: TheDon
Way past time for desalination plants up and down the coast!

Maybe one of these days our leaders will get a clue. Like maybe when it finally occurs to them to allow offshore drilling too. ;-)

11 posted on 08/19/2008 1:39:04 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Choosing between McInsane and Obamapalooza is like choosing to ingest a slow or fast-acting poison.)
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To: Linden1209

Let alone a single un-elected judge siding with the enviro-wacko’s to save fish and cut the pumps off for half the water.


12 posted on 08/19/2008 1:41:37 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: TheDon

No doubt this government and our self representatives will come to the conclusion that allowing millions more illegal aliens into the U.S. will be the solution to this matter.


13 posted on 08/19/2008 1:41:55 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: TheDon

There are too many people in SoCal and they need to stop stealing the water from the north, or build their own reservoirs.


14 posted on 08/19/2008 1:43:27 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: TheDon

I’m sure having 500,000 to 1,000,000 illegals doesn’t help the situation. But we don’t want to mention that because it is “racist”.


15 posted on 08/19/2008 1:44:49 PM PDT by CarWashMan
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To: TheDon

It’s Denver, they are stealing all the West Slope Water for the Democratic Convention!


16 posted on 08/19/2008 1:46:44 PM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

“So how many SC golf courses and lawns are getting watered every day?”

Plus washing the Mercs, BMers, Jags and Escalades several times each week with the fountains and swimming pools being refreshed daily or hourly.

Then, add the daily avalance of illegal third world aliens, who love their new free water in the past 3 decades.

In Jan 1977 during the height of N California’s last great drought, our company had a meeting in the LA area.

As we rode the buses from LAX into the LA hotel, we saw people washing their cars and watering their lawns with zero concern about wasting water.

Our people from Marin, Sonoma, East Bay and the Jose Area couldn’t flush their toilets, tooks navy showers and their lawns and yards were dead or dying went beserk.

Our S Calis didn’t know why we were so bitter and hostile re how they used our water.

Since then, we have no new dams, and envirals have welcomed the illegal aliens, who use a lot of water while demanding more water for fish.

The governator and most of Sacramento worry more about the non global warming than the reality of less water for a growing population.


17 posted on 08/19/2008 1:48:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: TheDon

If the crops all die, there won’t be as many jobs that Americans won’t do. Problem solved. A big desert returns to being a big desert.


18 posted on 08/19/2008 1:48:26 PM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: agooga
Plus, we got a female dog recently and every time she pees on the lawn she burns a hole in it.

Urine has a high nitrogen content. Since the female dog squats (rather than hiking a leg like the male) the urine is concentrated into a small area, causing a nitrogen overload on the grass, much like dumping a concentrated amount of liquid fertilizer in a single spot in your yard. One way to alleviate the grass burning, is to spray or pour enough water on the spot right after the dog urinates to dilute the strength by 10x or more. Actually, urine diluted at least 10X makes a good fertilizer for nitrogen loving plants.

19 posted on 08/19/2008 1:50:23 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Choosing between McInsane and Obamapalooza is like choosing to ingest a slow or fast-acting poison.)
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To: OB1kNOb

I wouldn’t count on their getting a clue.

True Story:

I lived in Santa Barbara in the early 90’s during that “desperate” drought. No lawn watering. Water rates tripled to force conservation. We turned off the shower while lathering and no running the faucet while brushing your teeth. Car wash...ha!

Then the gubmint do-gooders really got involved. They offered free low-flow toilets to all takers. Typically, it didn’t occur to them that apartment owners would take advantage. Every multi-family rental and apartment complex had “mountains” of old toilets piled up. The costs soared. And it caused a landfill crisis trying to find room for all that porcelain...not to mention the hauling fees to collect them.

This went on for about 2 years. And then one day we woke up to an enormous photo on the front page of the morning paper. It showed firemen, in the dark of night, aiming their hoses down a manhole. Turns out all those low-flows didn’t produce enough effluent to move the, er, “solids” through the sewer system. So the city had been sending firemen out every night to add water to the sewers...water WE had been conserving!

Gubmint. Ain’t good for nuthin’.


20 posted on 08/19/2008 1:51:28 PM PDT by Timeout (The Brits have their royal family. We have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: TheDon
As usual this is a government caused problem.
Desalination -- the removal of salt from salt water -- would be the ultimate solution to water woes -- if it can be done cheaply enough. That's a big if: "The best estimates are $2 to $2.50 per ton for desalination," says de Villiers. "That not really that far from the real cost of delivering water from the Colorado River, but California's water is so heavily subsidized that they are paying 10 cents per ton when the real cost is closer to $2.50 per ton."

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Water subsidies are a fact of life in the western United States. According to de Villiers, they amount to $500 per acre. He alleges that "70 percent of the farmers' profits in California's Central Valley -- which is supposed to be the richest farmland in the world -- came directly through taxpayer subsidization."

http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/water-costs-8.htm
21 posted on 08/19/2008 1:52:28 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: TheDon

Yeah but those smelt fishes are doing fine now.

Isn’t that why they didn’t fill some of the reservoirs up as much as they could? it was hurting smelt???


22 posted on 08/19/2008 1:57:18 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Timeout

Wow. Makes me feel better about living in the sticks and having my own personal water source. I bet that made you appreciate home (AL) alot more.


23 posted on 08/19/2008 1:58:36 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Choosing between McInsane and Obamapalooza is like choosing to ingest a slow or fast-acting poison.)
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To: ken21

Apparently it is. There is a desalination plant being built in Carlsbad, CA. As usual, it is the environmental wackos slowing progress. In any case, it is wise to diversify your water sources when you live in a desert and import virtually all of your water. :-)


24 posted on 08/19/2008 2:02:26 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Linden1209

I don’t know, ever heard of the Pacific Ocean? :-)


25 posted on 08/19/2008 2:03:16 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: R. Scott

Desalination would solve a lot of problems!


26 posted on 08/19/2008 2:05:07 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender; steelie

For some reason you didn’t get pinged on my historical trip back to the 1977 Drought.


27 posted on 08/19/2008 2:06:25 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: rivercat

We have lots of reservoirs and are building more, but that doesn’t provide water. We need desalination!


28 posted on 08/19/2008 2:06:49 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: OB1kNOb

Interesting factoids. I try to spray it down after she pees, but I don’t see every time.


29 posted on 08/19/2008 2:08:11 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: Crimson Elephant; All
This is one of the reasons I'm pro-nuclear power. We will need the energy from these power plants for our desalination plants in the future. California is on a fast track to 60 million people in just a few years. Where will they get the water for this? Nobody knows. Those in charge just haven't thought of the consequences of immigration (both legal and illegal). Where's the Sierra Club when you need them to take a stand on immigration?
30 posted on 08/19/2008 2:11:04 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Timeout

That’s a really great gub story. Presumably the firemen aren’t hosing down the sewers these days— what’s pushing the solids along, now?


31 posted on 08/19/2008 2:11:15 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: CarWashMan; All
I’m sure having 500,000 to 1,000,000 illegals doesn’t help the situation. But we don’t want to mention that because it is “racist”.

A good comment but you are off by a factor of 7-8 at a minimum.
32 posted on 08/19/2008 2:14:20 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Timeout
Gubmint. Ain’t good for nuthin’.

Well, during that water shortage in Santa Barbara, our local branch was good for a bit of humor. Who could ever forget our dignified elderly lady mayor standing before the TV cameras and intoning the City's instructions for toilet usage: "If it's yellow, it's mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."

BTW, remember the desal plant they built, used for about 2 months and then shut down, eventually selling most of the parts? Now the City's planning to spend $122K to find out how much it would cost to make it work again. My tax dollars at work.

33 posted on 08/19/2008 2:15:08 PM PDT by dorothy ( “Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason.” —Benjamin Franklin)
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To: R. Scott

“Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.”


34 posted on 08/19/2008 2:15:55 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: TheDon

They’ve been talking about desalinaiton for decades. They need to quit talking, and start building.


35 posted on 08/19/2008 2:18:13 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Straight Vermonter
If mass fresh water is needed it might be cheaper to simply spray offshore ocean water into the air during midday and let mother nature separate the fresh water out and air lift the water in. The resulting clouds would cool the climate lowering air-conditioning and wildfire costs. If wanted Southern California could be turned into a rain forest. But leftists would change from global warming to complaining about man-made clouds.
36 posted on 08/19/2008 2:18:13 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Orange1998

Female Dog Pee!

We have one too. We Love her but what do we do///

I’ve tried “Patch Perfect” to no avail... The Potty Rock is never used... What can be done.

T%his is as big a problem as Obama.


37 posted on 08/19/2008 2:25:13 PM PDT by Kviteseid (Get up when you wake up and wake up when you get up. F. Krause c. 1952 Minn.)
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To: Grampa Dave

It was a vacationing Northern California reporter that broke this story and finally brought this to our attention. I remember well, the bricks in the toilet, only flushing for number two, dead landscaping, dirty cars, etc.


38 posted on 08/19/2008 2:31:05 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: agooga

We moved into our house during the height of the 1977 drought.

The previous owners had done an excellent job of planting drough resistant plants, shrubs and plants. There was no yard, just a level of pea gravel by our back deck.

I was happy as my wife, a mid western gal, wanted a front yard the size of a soccer field and a grassy back yard the size of a football field. I happily sold my lawn mower and edgers. Our sons were pre teenagers and were more interested in hunting/fishing, sports, riding their bikes and girls and probably didn’t know nor care that we didn’t have a green grassy back yard.

So when our female pointer squatted and did her thing on the pea gravel, there was no problem.

Flash forward a couple of decades and the birth of our first grandchild. I allowed a small back yard with green grass to be tilled and sodded with an auto watering system.

Between the deer and racoons and grub worms, we have had it re sodded 3 times. Our yard guy used to come every 4 weeks, now he is here weekly.

Most of the rest of the acre is like it was when we bought it. Any plants my wife have planted or wanted planted are drip irrigated or hand watered by her.

I told if we go on water rationing, the yard gets covered with artificial turf. She aggreed. Also, her Rhodies and Azaleas will survive on a few minutes of drip 3 times a week instead of daily, or they will die.

Our son has told his wife, when strict water rationing hits, their front yard becomes pea gravel and their backyard becomes artificial turf and pea gravel. I put in most of her roses and other plants with a drip system, so they should survive.


39 posted on 08/19/2008 2:33:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Grampa Dave

Yeah— I battled coons too. The buggers loved to roll back the turf every night and look for grubs. Without getting into specifics, let’s just say I no longer have a raccoon problem. But, what a hassle!


40 posted on 08/19/2008 2:39:17 PM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: rivercat

Which story are you talking about?


41 posted on 08/19/2008 2:41:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Reeses

The Discovery channel had a show a while back that theorized a wall of pipes near the ocean. There would be pumps that would drive seawater up the pipes and back into the ocean. Since the seawater is cooler than the surrounding air, water vapor (freshwater) would condense on the pipes and be recovered.

I’m not sure what volume of water could be acquired this way but the idea is clever.


42 posted on 08/19/2008 2:42:10 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: agooga

Without getting into specifics, I was too soft hearted with 4 orphan baby racoons.


43 posted on 08/19/2008 2:43:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Grampa Dave

Sorry, I was talking about the water abuse by SoCal during the 77 drought.


44 posted on 08/19/2008 2:44:17 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: Grampa Dave

That was the year I moved up here above the damned Auburn Dam!!!


45 posted on 08/19/2008 2:46:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: TheDon

Way past time for desalination plants up and down the coast!
nuclear/ desalinization plants

The lefties can try to do without juice, but thirst will demand water


46 posted on 08/19/2008 2:51:48 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: OB1kNOb

Um, urine is also acidic, females apparently more so for some reason.


47 posted on 08/19/2008 2:53:18 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: TheDon
Meanwhile, the Salt River Project reservoirs serving the Phoenix Metropolitan area are very near full to capacity:


48 posted on 08/19/2008 2:56:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A community in Chicago is missing an organizer.)
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To: TheDon

Yes, whatever we do don’t build Nuclear Desalinization plants off the coast in Southern CA, wouldn’t want to actually have enough water for the idiots that inhabit LA and the surrounding areas. I get so sick of the BS leftists put out and the idiots that swallow their BS.


49 posted on 08/19/2008 3:01:04 PM PDT by calex59
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To: rivercat

Do you remember who the reporter was or where he/she/it was from?


50 posted on 08/19/2008 3:03:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo Bozo, who wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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