Posted on 08/19/2008 10:32:04 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
Speaking at a high school in New Mexico, Barack Obama was asked about immigration and, according to a liveblog of the event, said:
"We are a nation of immigrants," Obama answers."The only people can say that they aren't immigrants are the people sitting right here," the Presidential candidate says and points to the tribal leaders.
"There are some families who have been here for 4 or 500 years. They didn't cross the border, the border crossed them."
While he's correct to a point, those comments are also straight out of Reconquista 101.
An analysis of his comments is at the link, and the most important thing you can do about this is to ask him questions at his public appearances and then upload his response to Youtube.
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hussein is a dumb ass, they weren`t here first, Kennewick man was.
So, is he saying he doesn't recognize the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo?
Yeah, I remember it was the 1840s. There were 50 million Mexicans living in Cal and then we moved the border and made them Americans. Oh, the humanity!
Any family that's been here for 500 years are called citizens. Highly unlikely they crossed into Mexico to give birth.
“Any family that’s been here for 500 years are called citizens. Highly unlikely they crossed into Mexico to give birth. “
The man is an idiot. He accepts the invader’s rationale without thought. The border changed well over a hundred years ago. Everyone who the “border crossed” has been dead a long time. If their decendents stayed here they are citizens now.
“We are a nation of immigrants,” Obama answers.
“We are a nation of LEGAL immigrants,”
There, that’s better!
Want to know what happens to your land and culture when unlimited immigration happens? Ask an American Indian to find out.
We didn’t land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us.
Picture Hose-A and Hose-B being interrogated by a Border Patrol agent on the banks of the Rio:
“No seenyore, we no cross the border; the border she cross us!”
This constant Kevin Costneresk Hollywood crap about the Indians really gets my goat. The indians were barely able to make fire when the settlers came. They were basically cavemen still running around naked and eating roots and insects and behaving like barbaric, undeveloped neandrathals. Until the Spanish arrived, they didn’t even have horses. To promote them as some special spiritually elevated royalty deserving of all that the conquering Europeons have built-just give it back to the indians-is to be ignorant of history. They lost. Get over it, libs.
I got some news for Obamaman. The Indians are immigrants from Asia.
And you are crossing into the TERRITORY of MORONIC SAYINGS, Hussien!!
“There are some families who have been here for 4 or 500 years. They didn’t cross the border, the border crossed them.”
So what?.....
...or any immigration prior to the United States of America coming into existence. Most of which was white Anglo-Saxon Protestant. And some were slaves.
Actually, everyone in America has an immigrant in their background somewhere. Even American Indians. Why go back just 4-500 years? But does this mean we should ignore national law and accept anyone who comes here illegally? If they're willing to break the law to get here (which our ancestors didn't, BTW), why should we trust them to live lawful lives while here?
The Aztecs didn’t live in current US territory.
And they wouldn’t move here. That’s why the Spanish and Mexican governments invited the US Europeans in. So the French wouldn’t take over their territory.
Any descendants of the Aztecs who were living in the these territories would be US citizens now because they were born here.
Duh!
He must just be stupid. I am not an immigrant. One would have to go back at LEAST 6 or 7 generations to find an immigrant in my direct lineage. Using this definition, everyone on earth is an immigrant as at some point in their ancestry were people who came from somewhere else.
Idiot. (and I don’t toss that word around lightly).
susie
What matters to him the most is the political expediency of the moment.
The population of New Mexico Territory in 1850 was 61,547 (including what is now Arizona). I believe that figure excludes "Indians not taxed." Probably all but a small fraction of that 61,547 were already there when New Mexico still belonged to Mexico--but most of them probably were there before 1821 and may have been more "Spanish" than "Mexican."
New Mexico is said to be 43% "Hispanic," but what percentage of that is descended from the people living there in 1848, and what percentage from later immigrants from Mexico, I don't know. New Mexico's population has approximately doubled in the past 40 years, while the US population has grown just over 50%.
Most of the decendents of the people that the border crossed are much happier and better off than they would be if they were living in Mexico which is riddled with gang warfare and police corruption. Again, BO casts America as the imperialist aggressor, on inferior moral footing than its conquests. But someone who hasn’t lived in America all his life, particularly his formative years, probably wouldn’t feel that way.
“This constant Kevin Costneresk Hollywood crap about the Indians really gets my goat. The indians were barely able to make fire when the settlers came. They were basically cavemen still running around naked and eating roots and insects and behaving like barbaric, undeveloped neandrathals. Until the Spanish arrived, they didn’t even have horses. To promote them as some special spiritually elevated royalty deserving of all that the conquering Europeons have built-just give it back to the indians-is to be ignorant of history. They lost. Get over it, libs.”
They’re just following the old “Noble Savage” bit from Rousseau. It was a pantsload then, it’s still one, but it appeals to Libs.
I am not an immigrant.
Period.
Yours is a really poorly thought out comment I fear, as well as being devoid of the truth and any facts. It was just so much emotionally-fueled hyperbole. Barely able to make fire? Roots and insects? LOL!
This has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, try to relax. Hussein is a dumba$$, we all know that, and there is no reason to follow him into that abyss. To be kind, I won’t point out the myriad spelling errors this caveman may or may not have noticed in your post. Please understand, we dislike the crystal-rubbing, hippie types as much as you do. But, yet, I realize that is merely one aspect of a people and not representative of the whole. Anyway, thanks for your time, I got to shed these clothes; there are roots and insects out there with my name on them. :)
Obama rode into town on the Panderbus. Everyone, come aboard the Panderbus.
The problem is that when it gets to the next stop, everybody has to get off.
Nothing more than Obama mouthing La Raza propaganda.
Sounds good to me, let's make it be!
Expose the fraud One for the fraud he is.
He certainly is a dumbass. First of all the families in NM before it was a U.S. territory, who weren't Indian, were Spaniards not Mexicans. There was no Mexico then. Secondly, no one is more prejudiced against illegal aliens from Mexico than the descendants of those Spanish Land Grant families. I know some of them. A lot of them are probably liberals and they will probably vote for him but Obama just made a fool of himself in their eyes.
Read some Allan W. Eckert.
I hear grasshoppers are delicious. Enjoy.
All living people on the earth are direct decedents of the pyramid builders. It is a mathematical certainty. Now I want my reparations.
Seriously, does this guy
EVER
unequivocally side with America on any issue?
EVER
unequivocally side with America on any issue?
No.
...but don't you dare question his patriotism!!!
TC, I’m serious... has he ever unequivocally sided with America on any issue?
Obama is such an idiot. Even the Indian tribes had boundaries (i.e., regions where one tribe or another dominated, and those regions were very much defended, because encroachment meant the available food supply would be compromised). Consider, just for illustration, the Apache. The Apache is of Athapaskan stock, and originally hailed from what is now Canada. However, the Apache has always been associated with the American Southwest (principally New Mexico and Arizona). The Apache of the Southwest was a people who came from the north and displaced those who were there before them; the same can be said of the Sioux, who were of Algonquin stock and moved westward onto the Great Plains, displacing (and slaughtering) the Arikara and the Hidatsa, and having a long-term fight with the Crow over the Bighorn and Yellowstone regions.
“Read some Allan W. Eckert.”
I like his books.
Absolutely wrong. Some of the largest settlements in the world were native american. They were not barbarians running around naked, or anything nearly as primitive.
Yes, their everyday life was very different from that of a european, but they were doing quite well on their own.
And indeed they lost
They are absolutely excellent. He paints history almost like a photograph.
The problem is that when it gets to the next stop, everybody has to get off gets thrown under the bus.
Different tribes were at different levels of civilization. The mound builders and pueblo dwellers were certainly more "advanced" or "civilized" than some nomadic tribes were.
California, as a particularly temperate and hospitable part of the world didn't require technological innovation from the people who lived there, so development didn't go so far as it did in other parts of the continent.
And about the horses -- was that really their fault? Europeans didn't have corn or potatoes before discovering the New World either.
So what?.....
I like your answer the best.
FMCDH(BITS)
Yeah, me too. What really gets me is the whole “peaceful savages” thing. Many Native American tribes were very familiar with war - up to and including extermination of rival tribes - long before “the white devils” came here.
So the tribal leaders' ancestors didn't immigrate from somewhere? Does BHO believe in an American genesis?
“Want to know what happens to your land and culture when unlimited immigration happens? Ask an American Indian to find out. “
Amen! At least some of them put up the good fight, unlike us who are just going to sit here and let it happen. Again.
For a more recent example, ask the Serbs in Kosovo who are now 10% of the population in a land only a generation ago was majority Serbian.
“This constant Kevin Costneresk Hollywood crap about the Indians really gets my goat. The indians were barely able to make fire when the settlers came. They were basically cavemen still running around naked and eating roots and insects and behaving like barbaric, undeveloped neandrathals. Until the Spanish arrived, they didn’t even have horses. To promote them as some special spiritually elevated royalty deserving of all that the conquering Europeons have built-just give it back to the indians-is to be ignorant of history. They lost. Get over it, libs.”
All Indian cultures were not created equal. Are you saying that every Indian group whose land was taken and they were ethically cleansed were barbaric, undeveloped neandrathals?
All of them?
“We are a nation of immigrants,” Obama answers.
“The only people can say that they aren’t immigrants are the people sitting right here,” the Presidential candidate says and points to the tribal leaders.
“There are some families who have been here for 4 or 500 years. They didn’t cross the border, the border crossed them.””
What a rube. He really needs to shut up. He’s starting to out pander McCain:
““Let me close by talking briefly about my respect and gratitude for the contributions of Hispanic-Americans to the culture, economy and security of the country I have served all my adult life. I represent Arizona where Spanish was spoken before English was, and where the character and prosperity of our state owes a great deal to the many Arizonans of Hispanic descent who live there,” McCain said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2042596/posts
To BEHOLD the chiefs in the front row! with Nobambi makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I have lived on reservations. Would you like to know the capacity with which I worked with the Puma and Chumash Indian? Welfare Fraud investigation. Would you like to know the conditions of the reservation housing? The amount of my workload? How many thousands of cases of welfare fraud we had? How many beer cans I had to wade through to climb the dirty diaper pile outside a house so I could count fatherless kids at some of the homes?
They were not some spiritually elevated specie. They were just hunter gatherers who wandered in here just like everyone else. Why should they receive some special accolades? Kevin Costner's movie was Dancing with bullcrap. I stand by that. Have a great day.
No, they weren’t Neanderthals unless it is meant to be insulting. True Neanderthals were extinct 30k years ago. At second thought the post hardly warranted a response. Also note that no answer was proffered as to how these grub-eating barbarians managed to keep the blue-bloods alive.
The blue-bloods were commensurate to disease-infested rodents who washed upon these shores without invitation. The natives observed that they were smelly and very seldom removed enough clothing to bathe. They were, at that time, “the least of these” who “savages” could have easily wiped out, watched starve to death, not to mention freeze to death in the winter. Quite noble for a savage, wouldn’t you say? I am usually reticent to make mention of this, simply because, it no longer matters a great deal. What is done, is done.
It, “gets my goat” when I hear or read that kind of tripe with a little revisionist history thrown in to somehow justify things like, Manifest Destiny, The Trail of Tears and The Long Walk. You see those who are “undeveloped” or don’t live as you do were probably violent as well and had wars. Ergo, they deserved to be driven to near extinction. We have our casino’s and liberal crystal-rubbers think of us as “noble savages” so I suppose that makes things even. :)
Some of my people have been here since 1640.
What does that make us?
“Some of my people have been here since 1640. What does that make us?”
Very very old. :-)
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