Posted on 08/19/2008 2:38:07 AM PDT by goldstategop
Abiogenesis: the supposed spontaneous origination of living organisms directly from lifeless matter
The standard definition of abiogenesis is akin to spontaneous generation.
God CREATING would not be “spontaneous.” It would be Intelligent design. I’m sure you see the difference.
The eternal.
In the beginning, there was either NOTHING of there was SOMETHING.
We believe the only sufficent SOMETHING able to give rise to all of all would have been the intelligent being we refer to as GOD.
Your disbelief based on faith is just another unfounded belief.
I don't know, but I doubt it was magic.
> Your disbelief based on faith is just another unfounded
> belief.
As is yours.
I’m certain that, in your erudition, you have considered Pascal’s Wager.
You are well informed.
The rest is God’s work.
You may think I am silly and superstitious, but I was once a skeptic like you. Pascal’s Wager did nothing for me, either.
It took a spiritual breakthrough. That’s what it will take for you, and I pray that you get to enjoy it before you leave this world.
Absolutely correct and well evidenced in the 20th Century by Stalins Soviet Union, Mao's Communist China, Hitlers NAZI Germany and Pol Pots communist Khmer Rouge.
The 50 million or so murdered by these secularists? No big deal in a world where objective ethics rules the roost. After all who's to say their ethos was wrong? Objectively speaking of course.
Magic is the multiverse where all events will happen, even energy ex-nihlo. Of course that also rules in a Supreme Being so that doesn't get us anywhere.
Hitler credited God for his actions.
LOL.
I do not act out of fear of divine punishment or for any reward. But then obviously you wouldn’t understand this.
Please speak for yourself, Soliton.
“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.
“Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!
“And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922)
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You’re not a quick learner. Twice I have posted Hitler’s plan for the destruction of Christanity in Germany from the Nuremburg Archives. There won’t be a third time. Some folks don’t have the capability to learn or to be honest. Such is life.
Absolutely.
Your statement about Christians believing in “anything” is really silly. That’s the reason we are always in trouble with the secular world, because we believe very specifically and pointedly. Secularists, on the other hand, will fall for anything because they are not anchored to anything at all save themselves.
You need to read up your history a little more in depth. Hitler was into the occult and he was no Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ and nothing that man did even remotely looked or smelled like Christ.
Hitler claimed to be a Christian. As far as I know that is the only test for whether you are one or not. The KKK also claimed to be a Christian organization.
Only to nutters incapable of critical and honest thought processes.
First of all, there is no test. You have actually made my point, however. Just because one “says” something, it is meaningless. As the Scripture teaches, “you will know them by their fruit.”
I don’t know where you are at spiritually but I would be happy to talk to you off-forum (via freepmail), if you would like. I can tell you this one thing, however, just because one makes a claim, it does not mean it is so. I am sure you can appreciate that fact.
If I say I love you but my actions show nothing of love, then my words have no meaning and are without merit and false.
Please think about that, will you. It is very painful for me when I think people actually would consider Hitler as a Christian, while the real Christians were risking their lives to shelter Jews.
I’m not suggesting that Hitler followed the teachings of Jesus. Just that he claimed to be Christian.
I am the son of a Baptist Deacon and spent years going to church. I have a collection of Bibles and commentaries that were my father’s and grandfathers. I am therefore a “backslidden Baptist” and very comfortable with it.
I love sincere believers. I am less inclined towards those who want to pervert science in the name of their religion.
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