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Serbia: South Ossetia conflict, result of Kosovo's seccession, analysts claim
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Posted on 08/11/2008 11:11:31 AM PDT by kronos77

Belgrade, 11 August (AKI) – The deadly conflict between Russia and Georgia in the breakaway province of South Ossetia is an indirect result of Kosovo's declaration of independence in February, Serbian analysts and politicians said on Monday.

“If there wasn’t a ‘Kosovo precedent’, as the greatest world powers headed by the United States called the secession of a part of Serbian territory, there wouldn’t have been a war in South Ossetia,” Oliver Ivanovic, Serbian government official in charge of Kosovo told the Belgrade daily Blic.

Ivanovic said that Kosovo's example was “inspiring to South Ossetia, so they wanted to strain relations and to define their position.”

Georgia wanted to solve the problem of separatist South Ossetia by the use of force, just like Serbia had tried to do in Kosovo in 1999, he explained. .. Commentator Dragan Petrovic told Tanjug news agency that the United States had encouraged a conflict between Russia and Georgia to strengthen its influence in the region.

“The Americans want to drive a wedge between Georgia and Russia to improve their position in the area because of an oil pipeline, future actions against Iran, to isolate pro-Russian Armenia and to encourage the aspirations of the Muslim population in the North Caucasus,” Petrovic said.

Former Serbian foreign minister Goran Svilanovic said he now saw Georgia as a “Russian sphere of interest”.

He said it will soon “become clear to everyone in Russia, Georgia and the countries in the region”.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkans; clintonlegacy; geopolitics; georgia; kosovo; ossetia; serbia; southossetia; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime
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1 posted on 08/11/2008 11:16:03 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/11/2008 11:16:36 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

What one must remember is that South Ossetia is part of GEORGIA, not RUSSIA. If the Georgians went back in to reestablish its authority over its own territory, it has every right to do so. Russia, on the other hand, has no right to invade a sovereign state’s (Georgia) territory merely because some of its population is what Russia considers Russian. Although, even that isn’t exactly true, as there is North Ossetia, a region within Russia made up of, obviously, the same ethnic minority of peoples who aren’t true Russians either, as are found in South Ossetia. So depends on what your definition of Russian is.

Where the US and EU loses their moral authority, and what is, IMO, holding the Bush Admin and the EU back from doing much about this is the fact that we did the same exact thing in Kosovo, which was part of Serbia and was a breakaway republic, just like South Ossetia. We bombed Serbia, just as Russia is now bombing Georgia, for the same reasons, to support a breakaway territory that by virtue of population growth had become almost all Muslim and ethnically more aligned with Albania next door (just like Russia being next door to South Ossetia). And we were the ones bombing Serbia, who was naturally aligned with Russia because both were Orthodox Christian, and our bombing by the Clinton Admin, along with the backing of the EU, in order to establish an independent Kosovo, annoyed the heck out of Russia. So, bottom line, what goes around, comes around. How can we now slam Russia for supporting South Ossetia and for invading Georgia when we did something very similar when we supported Kosovo and bombed Serbia. It’s called our own policies coming back to bite us in the butt. Thanks Bill Clinton.

Of course one can also say, when will it all stop? How many breakaway territories can any country tolerate? Yugoslavia was totally chopped up. Little countries like Czechoslovakia become even more tiny when split in two. What would the US do if say, Texas, or California decided to break off from the US? Russia, who is all for South Ossetia being its own entity, has been fighting tooth and nail against the breakaway republic of Chechnya for years now, not allowing them the same “freedom” as they seem to want for South Ossetia. Plus, of course, oil politics come into play. I believe Russia, if they thought they could get away with it, would like to reincorporate Georgia back into the Russian Federation as they want to get their meat hooks into the oil pipeline that runs through Georgia that via Turkey then sends oil to the EU, bypassing Russia. Russia wants control over all pipelines sending oil to the EU, as they can then manipulate Europe like puppets on a string by controlling all oil spigots to Europe. Whenever the EU would do anything that displeases Russia, she can hike the price of oil, or slow down production, or shut off oil supplies to the EU.

Ah yes, nothing ever quite seems as it really is, when you dig below the surface. Serbia must be laughing their *ss off today as I’m sure they see this as divine retribution. Politics, ain’t it fun?


3 posted on 08/11/2008 11:21:17 AM PDT by flaglady47
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To: kronos77
Looks like the US effort to “drive a wedge” between Russia and Georgia succeeded beyond expectations
4 posted on 08/11/2008 11:22:53 AM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: kronos77

Russia’s (i.e., Putin’s) crimes don’t need any explanations or apologizes. These types of things remind me of whenever the Soviets did something how people always blamed the West. Putin’s an evil bastard. That’s all.


5 posted on 08/11/2008 11:23:28 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin needs to spend the rest of his days 6 feet under.


6 posted on 08/11/2008 11:29:56 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: elhombrelibre

What the US did to Serbia regarding Kosovo holds the same moral equivalent. If everyone is so hell bent on holding the Russians to some moral standard, then why isn’t the US obligated to hold itself to that same standard and admit it?


7 posted on 08/11/2008 11:31:18 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
Well, that's usually a Liberal trick to use “moral equivalence” to excuse the work of tyrants.
8 posted on 08/11/2008 11:35:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: montyspython

>>why isn’t the US obligated to hold itself to that same standard

Primarily because the interests of countries are not consistent.

For consistency, best to sample a loaf of bread.


9 posted on 08/11/2008 11:37:04 AM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: kronos77
Serbia: South Ossetia conflict, result of Kosovo's seccession, analysts claim

The chickens from the bent one and Frau Albright's splendid little war have come home to roost. Anyone who had a brain saw this coming nine years ago.

10 posted on 08/11/2008 11:38:45 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Would you want your surgeon graduating at the bottom 1% of his class?)
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To: elhombrelibre
Just stating the facts, you can't go around calling a kettle black then pretend not to be a pot. Conservative support sovereign integrity, so why did Bush support violating Serbia's sovereign integrity?

Liberals are the first ones to claim such stupidity.

11 posted on 08/11/2008 11:39:49 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: flaglady47

How did Georgia come to obtain South Ossetia? Was South Ossetia its ow State at some point in recent history?


12 posted on 08/11/2008 11:40:24 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

Stalin, that infamous Georgian, who hated Russians, inserted it into Georgia. Who knows why, border hijinks in the old USSR.


13 posted on 08/11/2008 11:46:01 AM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: CodeToad; flaglady47
How did Georgia come to obtain South Ossetia? Was South Ossetia its ow State at some point in recent history?

Here's some background on the South Ossetia, Georgia and Russian conflict.

The "South" Ossetes originally crossed the mountains to escape the Mongol hordes in the 1200s.

14 posted on 08/11/2008 11:49:27 AM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, Condi, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: E. Cartman

Well, brains are not a requirement to work for the State Department.


15 posted on 08/11/2008 11:49:31 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
You have no problem with the disproportionately and the violence of Putin? I won't talk to you. Your ideas and attempts to justify mass murder shame you.
16 posted on 08/11/2008 11:50:28 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: elhombrelibre; All

We had no business recogonizing Kosovo independence which was a bi-partisan doing led by the Clinton administration. Following that logic Alta California, Disricto Mexico! If we become weak enough...Jayson Lewis subbing for Rush reports that the Ruskys moved in Ossetia now are moving on Tiblisi. Course he could be wrong in an earlier conversation with a responding caller he did not challange the callers assertion that China gets Alaskan oil..By law they can’t its all going here to US...


17 posted on 08/11/2008 11:52:53 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Confront your favorite dem and ask em ..Hows the air in your tires ?)
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To: kronos77
Serbian analysts and politicians said on Monday.

Did anyone think Serbian analysts and politicians would say otherwise?

18 posted on 08/11/2008 11:53:14 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: CodeToad

Another prominent Gerorgian, Iosef Stallin gave South Osetia to Georgia.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 11:54:56 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Quit making assumptions and you won’t appear to be so ignorant. I never made a such a statement, I’m just showing how idiocy on the US foreign policy front helped set the stage for this situation and that the US needs to start owning up to its own stupid actions.


20 posted on 08/11/2008 11:57:15 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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