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Lost Sovereignity, Oil-rich Fund Eyeing Foreclosed US Homes
New York Post ^ | Sunday, August 10, 2008 | Teri Buhl

Posted on 08/10/2008 9:04:28 AM PDT by gorush

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To: umgud
I see signs all around town stating that they pay cash for homes. Don’t know who is behind them. They buy houses at huge discounts from people who are about to lose their homes.

I am really not that concerned about the free market. People accept the price when they signed for their house, they accept the price when they sign to sell it. They accepted the crazy interest rate plans when they signed. They accepted that they were getting into a house larger than they could afford when they signed.

Sometimes people get financially punished when they make the free decision to bite off more than they can chew.

What I do worry about is the continuous effort to "bail-out" people who make bad decisions with taxpayer funds.

I live in a tiny house. I am not poor, but I simply could not afford to take on the risk of a big mortgage. I don't have credit cards anymore because I could not sleep well with the risk. I do not drive a Lexus because I could not pay for it if I lost my job.

Now I have to worry about higher taxes because a bunch of house-flippers rode a bubble to personal ruin. That is not capitalism.

Capitalism works because it clears out inefficiency and over time freely adjusts market prices to their natural level. Stealing taxpayer funds and bailing out speculators transfers RISK from the speculator....to me. These bubbles get blown up bigger than they should because people see reduced risk in the long-term. If you always bail people out then they have no risk and the system is broken.

The foreclosures are the natural capitalistic result of individual decisions. Many are unfortunate and sadly affect people who took risks and lost. In this case foreign buyers who have capital are seeing the opportunity to profit from their losses.

Our people rode a bubble and had a big old party for a while. Now its over. We cannot come back and moan about the rules of our own game and expect responsible taxpayers to save them once again just to keep foreigners from playing. They played better than us. They now take on the risk and try to make a profit from our failure.

Our profit from the situation will have to be a learning experience instead of party. Perhaps we will do better next time because of it.
21 posted on 08/10/2008 9:36:18 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: EagleUSA

This is what they call a bail-out. The money we showered on them is now coming back to us. These awful foreigners are buying the properties in order to make money off of them long after their oil reserves run out. But with people with your sort of vision, it’s not at all certain they won’t lose their shirts in the long run.


22 posted on 08/10/2008 9:37:34 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: buwaya

Foreign investment is a GOOD THING.
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And do you consider the ownership of America’s debt by “foreign investment” a good thing? Who really owns America? And now we want to sell MORE of it to “foreign investment”. And what makes buying America such a great deal? Ah, yes, the value of our currency. And who manages that in reality?


23 posted on 08/10/2008 9:37:52 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Rational Thought
It is the continuance of the transfer of wealth from the US to Foreign interests.

And why? Because we failed to manage our own risk while playing by our own rules. We had a big party, ignored risk, and now other capitalist will fill the vacuum using our rules.
24 posted on 08/10/2008 9:38:15 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Any country that does not permit foreign investment is run by imbeciles or tyrants.

There is no downside to foreign investment. If the other party doesn’t grant reciprocal rights for foreign investors, they are just missing the boat.


25 posted on 08/10/2008 9:38:23 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

China is run by imbeciles?

Those “imbeciles” are eating our lunch, and replacing America on the world stage.

Our factories. Our technology. Our national wealth.

All gone.

We are the ones, missing the boat. We sold it.


26 posted on 08/10/2008 9:40:02 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 100 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Arkinsaw
No argument here. You're right on target.

The irony...

We played a big part in making these people wealthy beyond belief and now with their oil wealth they are buying up our Country.

Maybe Obama wasn't so stupid after all about campaigning in the Middle East and Europe...

27 posted on 08/10/2008 9:44:47 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: EagleUSA

“Ownership of America” ?

No, its ownership of properties in America. America has huge amounts of property, the gross value of everything potentially for sale in the US is incredible, 50X or better total global GDP. Foreign investment at any scale is a teeny slice of the net worth of “America”.

This is not some banana republic where the sole significant industry can be purchased by a single foreign owner.

What makes America such a good deal ? Do you have to ask ? This is the worlds most dynamic economy AND the ultimate destination of “capital flight” - where you want to hide your wealth ultimately, because if the US goes down, the state of everywhere else would certainly be worse. America is the backstop investment.


28 posted on 08/10/2008 9:46:07 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Go have a cold Budweiser.


29 posted on 08/10/2008 9:46:39 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 100 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: EagleUSA

Digging for diamonds wont lower the price of diamonds so, despite the fact that you have diamonds on your property, you shouldnt dig them out. Instead, when diamonds are at an all time high, buy your diamonds from a foreign source. Export as much money as humanly possible so foreign
entities can buy up US landmarks like the Chrysler Building (and the mortgage on your house by bailing out the banks and foreclosed property and struggling businesses).

While you are busy exporting trillions to buy diamonds, work hard to make diamonds obsolete thru new technology. That way, all the potential trillions you have in diamonds of your own eventually becomes worthless as you let them rot in the ground.


30 posted on 08/10/2008 9:46:51 AM PDT by mouse1 (I'VE BEEN CALLED A REDNECK BIGOT AND I'M PROUD OF IT!!)
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To: gorush

And, last time I checked, they can’t move any of this land from its current location. With the Supreme’s Eminent Domain ruling, they can’t even be assured that they get to keep it. If the local government decides that it would be better used for low cost housing....


31 posted on 08/10/2008 9:47:16 AM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China absorbs huge amounts of foreign investment, in spite of political risks. “Our factories” are in there because we, the Japanese, Taiwanese and the Euros PAID to put them in there. That is foreign investment. This has been the main driver of the Chinese economy.

Where do you get your information ? You really need to study this matter.


32 posted on 08/10/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Those “imbeciles” are eating our lunch, and replacing America on the world stage.

Our factories. Our technology. Our national wealth. ,p>All gone.

And for all that, we should place the blame firmly where it belongs - Washington, DC. For every closed factory, and every job moved overseas, we can find pile of regulations and laws, originating from the federal government, that caused that. From excessive environmentalism to overbearing safety rules to excessive labor laws to ridiculous accounting complexity and requirements, to excessive and selective taxes - there's plenty of reasons from which to choose.

33 posted on 08/10/2008 9:49:56 AM PDT by meyer (...by any means necessary.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The joys of so-called “free trade”.

This is "NOT" free trade. Politicians have hamstrung the American people and refuse to let them use and trade their own natural resources, AKA oil, NG, etc. As a result we have given "TRILLIONS" of American dollars in the form of IOU's to foreigners for use of their natural resources. Now they will use those IOU's to buy whatever the hell they want at bargain basements prices.

BTW, did I mention that the politicians that are responsible for this should at a minimum, be given long prison sentences.

34 posted on 08/10/2008 9:50:06 AM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations: Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion)
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To: gorush
Well, we shipped the jobs away. Might as well sell the real estate as well. My state is selling roads, if anyone is interested in buying one.

We can just print more money so we can rent America from the rest of the world.
35 posted on 08/10/2008 9:53:48 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: buwaya

“China absorbs huge amounts of foreign investment, in spite of political risks.”

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China does nothing of the sort.

China permits foreign money to rent Chinese labor, for a period of 10 years, in return for giving China the factory.


36 posted on 08/10/2008 9:54:11 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 100 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: gorush

The banks will not turn up their noses at these deals. Sixty cents on the dollar will have them salivating. Do you think Bank of America gives a damn who owns American soil? In addition to compliance with local zoning regs, when the bank owns the home (which is what an REO is) the bank is required to cover every expense attendant thereto, including property taxes, insurance and maintenance. This is a done deal. This is economic warfare at the community level. There are statutes which forbid the ownership of critical assets and infrastructure in the U.S. by foreign nationals. Congress must extend that definition, in a time of war, to include residential communities. But I don’t see this happening. The sovereign funds are not stupid. They would not be intent on this if they didn’t already know the demoralization of U.S. society, the greediness of our banking institutions, the ineptness of our regulatory apparatus, and the gutlessness of our government would permit it to succeed. Don’t expect a Congressional hearing. If you are conflicted about illegals accessing taxpayer funded social services, they will now also qualify for mideast-funded homes. When you have a foreign entity worth $650 billion trying to socially and economically destabilize your country, you can’t just call Jack Bauer. Do you think maybe Pelosi will lead the charge?


37 posted on 08/10/2008 9:57:13 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“China permits foreign money to rent Chinese labor, for a period of 10 years, in return for giving China the factory.”

Where did you get this silly idea ?


38 posted on 08/10/2008 10:06:12 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“China permits foreign money to rent Chinese labor, for a period of 10 years, in return for giving China the factory.”

Where did you get this silly idea ?


39 posted on 08/10/2008 10:06:28 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Nothing silly about that.

That is PRECISELY what is happening.

Some buyout money, run by (whomever?) buys an American company.

Fires the Americans.

Unbolts the machinery, puts it on a ship for China.

Trains Chinese workers. Who then make the widgets which were formerly made by (now unemployed Americans), in a factory now *OWNED* by the Peoples Republic of China.

And sends them back to us. On Chinese ships.

We are so being schmucks, it defies description.


40 posted on 08/10/2008 10:11:01 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 100 Weeks. Waiting...)
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