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Georgia pays price for its Nato ambitions (And US Kosovo policy)
Telegraph.couk ^

Posted on 08/08/2008 4:45:11 PM PDT by kronos77

One fact is clear: the Kremlin's troops would not be in South Ossetia today if Georgia were a loyal ally. Instead, Mr Saakashvili is paying the price for his pro-Western foreign policy and, in particular, his ambition to join Nato.

Two key events well beyond Georgia's borders have triggered Russia's fury. The first was Kosovo's declaration of independence in February and the new country's subsequent recognition by many Western states. This brought a public warning from Moscow that Kosovo's move to independence could set a precedent for Georgia's two breakaway regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

The second was Nato's pledge at the Bucharest summit in April that membership of the Atlantic Alliance for both Georgia and Ukraine was not a matter of "if" but "when", although in deference to Russian objections, no timetable for entry was granted. This provoked Vladimir Putin, then still Russia's president, to promise more support for Georgia's breakaway regions.

Despite the Cold War's demise, Russia regards the successor states of the old Soviet Union as its sphere of influence. This intervention is about sending a message from Moscow to Washington to "keep your nose out" of an area that the Kremlin has always seen as being inside its domain.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; caucasus; geopolitics; georgia; kosovo; nato; serbia

1 posted on 08/08/2008 4:45:11 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: Dragonfly; MadelineZapeezda; Mamzelle; philosofy123; DestroyEraseImprove; TheCrusader; Banat; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/08/2008 4:45:57 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77
So it is Bush’e fault after all. That did not take long. I guess this guy thinks that Russia shelling Georgia is Russian for freedom and peace. And I always love listening to those P#ssies in europe criticize our Balkan policies. I remember being stationed in europe in the early 90’s seeing the ethnic cleansing by all sides while the euroweenies had their heads up their asses wanting for the US to fix their mess. They make me sick. Why did we waste good American lives saving that euroscum back in the 40’s? Perhaps back then it seemed like a good idea. Today I doubt there would be a France resistance.
3 posted on 08/08/2008 4:55:10 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: kronos77
I fully agree that Kosovo was one among several triggers... and the only one that can be faulted on the West. But not on Georgia.

Kosovo is going to haunt us as the biggest foreign policy blunder since Jimmy Carter.

Kremlin's troops would not be in South Ossetia today if Georgia were a loyal ally. Instead, Mr Saakashvili is paying the price for his pro-Western foreign policy

This however is asinine. Interesting that the Telegraph UK is carrying the Kremlin's water here. What does this sentence imply? That a sovereign country, like Georgia can't pursue an own foreign policy, and unless it "loyally" follows Moscow it deserves to be invaded and occupied? Preposterous.

4 posted on 08/08/2008 4:55:19 PM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: SolidWood
As a Serb, as a Orthodox Christian I weep for both Russian and Georgian soldiers and civilians killed in this senseless war.
And I believe that oil is behind all of this:(
5 posted on 08/08/2008 4:57:39 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: SolidWood

um, Cuban Missile crisis ring a bell?


6 posted on 08/08/2008 5:00:05 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: kronos77
And I believe that oil is behind all of this:(

No doubt about that.

Yes this war is a tragic shame. I pray for a quick ceasefire. The world is already chokeful of trouble.

7 posted on 08/08/2008 5:00:22 PM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: tired1
"um, Cuban Missile crisis ring a bell? "

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Node=B1&Id=673840

"Last month, apparently angered by the U.S. plans to install a missile-defense shield along Eastern European borders, Russia's top military leaders called for establishing a military presence in Cuba, which is about 90 miles from the United States."

yitbos

8 posted on 08/08/2008 5:06:17 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: kronos77
Russian aircraft bombing Tbilisi took off from Armenia

1,400 civilians dead as Russia 'goes to war' with Georgia over breakaway region
"The Vaziani military base near Tblisi, until recently home to 1,000 US Marines on a training operation, was also reportedly struck."

". . . there were no plans to redeploy the estimated 130 US troops and civilian contractors who are stationed in the area around Tblisi"

Maybe next time Armenia demands resolutions from our Congress condemning the genocide 100 years ago in Ottoman Turkey Congress can ask about things a little more recent.

9 posted on 08/08/2008 5:18:52 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: kronos77

Hard to be a loyal allie to the guy that tried to poison you to death and left you disfigured for life.


10 posted on 08/08/2008 5:32:59 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

That is Ukraine.


11 posted on 08/08/2008 5:48:50 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: bruinbirdman

fair is fair, right?

i tell you what: go up north and find a bear that’s coming out of hibernation and poke it with a stick.

US/NATO policies have done much to bring the Putin faction to power. images of the Kosovo cluster/fk were there for all Russians to see and they are angry.


12 posted on 08/08/2008 5:57:15 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: kronos77

Thanks, oops...

Still hard to like Putin..


13 posted on 08/08/2008 5:59:13 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kronos77
And I believe that oil is behind all of this:(

The oil pipeline through Georgia and Turkey is the only route that does not go through either Russia or Iran

14 posted on 08/08/2008 6:05:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: kronos77

As a Serb, as a Orthodox Christian I weep for both Russian and Georgian soldiers and civilians killed in this senseless war.
And I believe that oil is behind all of this:( <<<<

I think you are correct.

Am praying for a speedy end to this war and all wars.


15 posted on 08/08/2008 10:38:43 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Ping.


16 posted on 08/08/2008 10:40:00 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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