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Algae May Be an Energy Answer (Interesting concept but still ethanol)
The New American ^ | Ed Hiserodt

Posted on 08/06/2008 4:58:21 PM PDT by djsherin

A modern society such as that in the United States requires personal transportation — cargo trucks, planes, and cars — to make a market economy work. Any serious effort to move our country to mass transportation, such as trains and buses, for everyone and everything all the time — or even most of the time — would destroy not only our economy, but the American way of life. To provide our personal transportation for the foreseeable future, the United States needs oil or an oil substitute.

Electric vehicles, the proposed solution by many for America’s transportation problems, have serious drawbacks generally ignored by a pliant news media. Besides being automotive weenies, their batteries don’t hold a sufficient charge for many everyday trips, and require hours to recharge — unless you want to charge them quickly (thus shortening their life span) and pay the $3,000-5,000 price for replacement batteries. One might also ask: “Where is the electricity to come from if electric cars become ubiquitous?” It is estimated that it would require a dozen 1,000-megawatt power plants to replace the petroleum fuels in Los Angeles alone.

The “hydrogen economy” is a total farce. Hydrogen-powered cars are about as practical as licorice submarines.* Their only reason for being is to prove to a naïve public that the manufacturer is in on being “Green.” No, we need oil or something like it for the foreseeable future.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; energy; ethanol; gas; johnbirchsociety; oil; transportation
Interesting concept I guess. We'll have to see if this actually has merit.
1 posted on 08/06/2008 4:58:21 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

I guess I would like to hear from a Brazilian mechanic about the durability and maintenance history of vehicles running on ethanol. Anyone have a suggestion?


2 posted on 08/06/2008 5:00:51 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: djsherin

Algae is as much as 50% oil by volume and you’d be talking about 20,000 gallons/acre/year from desert land vs 18 from farmland for ethanol for corn so that the oil from algae idea is totally believable.


3 posted on 08/06/2008 5:03:25 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Better algae than corn.


4 posted on 08/06/2008 5:09:11 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: djsherin

People think that Oxygen only grows on trees.

Those poor underrated algae.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 5:12:19 PM PDT by Radix (Think it is bad now? Wait until you have to press "2" for English!)
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To: pointsal
durability and maintenance history of vehicles running on ethanol

The article is mainly about oil from algae.

6 posted on 08/06/2008 6:10:41 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: djsherin

I think algae actually can create the equivalent of crude oil, or at least biodiesel, as opposed to ethanol.

From the article:

“The end product is crude oil that is almost chemically indistinguishable from light, sweet crude oil, except that it is green in color.”


7 posted on 08/06/2008 6:11:15 PM PDT by Rammer
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There is some talk about gene splicing that would cause algae to emit more complex hydrocarbons such as an oil that can be burned in diesel engines with little or no processing. Now THAT would be cool.


8 posted on 08/06/2008 6:52:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Cool and is certainly the focus of a lot of research going on right now. Pretty much any plant other than algae is already obsolete for fuel.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 7:39:12 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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It makes sense. Plants already manufacture oils. Why not splice a gene that makes soybeans or canola produce oil onto an algae cell. All you need is just a bit of warmth and sunlight.


10 posted on 08/06/2008 7:43:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They’ve already bred algae that doesn’t need light to produce. They also think they can jack it up to 100K gallons per acre.

And someone’s going to have to show me how algae is ethanol.


11 posted on 08/06/2008 9:18:35 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
There is very oily algae already that is 50% or more oil. It has high theoretical yields, but researchers haven't been able to achieve anywhere close to those yields on anything approaching a large scale basis. The other problem is that so far production costs for what little biodiesel that has been produced so far from algae have been astronomical. Maybe they'll figure it out someday.
12 posted on 08/06/2008 11:51:08 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Free Vulcan

If the algae doesn’t use sunlight for energy, then it will have to use something else, probably biomass. Yeast uses sugar to produce ethanol. But why use biomass when sunlight is free? In the summer, practically the whole US could make bio-oil from algae. All you need is an uncovered tank with water in it and a way to skim off the oil so the algae doesn’t suffocate.

If soybeans can produce oil, why can’t that gene be spliced to a algae? BTW, oil and ethanol are both hydrocarbons with ethanol being the simpler.


13 posted on 08/07/2008 6:19:23 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Uncovered tanks weren’t working out so now they’re trying closed systems. If this was so easy we’d all be using algae diesel. As for splicing genes and making new types of algae, that may be what we end up doing, but that scares me a little. If some super hardy new strain of algae gets out in the wild, and it would get out in the wild, it could cause all sorts of unintended problems.


14 posted on 08/07/2008 7:24:46 AM PDT by TKDietz
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