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Michael Palin show criticised over statements about Balkans war
The Guardian ^

Posted on 08/04/2008 10:37:35 PM PDT by kronos77

Michael Palin's New Europe has been rapped by the BBC Trust's editorial standards committee over its portrayal of the role of Serbia in the Balkan conflict in the 1990s.

Palin's most recent travelogue was "political commentary rather than a travel series" and gave an inaccurate account of the war in the 1990s Balkan conflict, according to one complainant.

Comments made by Palin about the destruction of a bridge at Mostar, Bosnia in 1993 came in for criticism from the complainant. Palin's comments were made in 'War and Peace', the first episode of the series, which was broadcast on BBC1 in September last year.

In its ruling on the Palin show, published today as part of its monthly update on complaints, the ESC said the presenter's comment that there was "no reason for the destruction" of the bridge at Mostar was "inaccurate".

The complainant also took exception to Palin's suggestion in the show that Serbia was "unfairly blamed" for all the trouble in the region.

In its ruling the ESC said that commentary in the show had oversimplified the issues when referring to who was to blame for the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

The committee said that the programme had "tried to provide context to imply that Serbia was not solely to blame".

However, it added that the "choice of phrasing did not do justice to the complex and controversial nature of the issues".

The ESC said that the comments "needed balance and context", adding that while the programme did not carry a political message it "could have done more to highlight Serbia's role in the conflict".

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: balkans; censorship; kosovo; serbia; uk

1 posted on 08/04/2008 10:37:35 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/04/2008 10:38:10 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77
Ooh, failure to parrot the party line, a serious crime.
3 posted on 08/04/2008 10:40:42 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Well the Commrades in London....


4 posted on 08/04/2008 10:41:40 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77
...the BBC Trust's editorial standards committee...

LOL!

5 posted on 08/04/2008 10:50:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: kronos77
So who destroyed the bridge? Serbs, Croats, or Bosnians?

What is the "official" BBC line, what is the line Palin took, and what is the truth? I'm curious.

6 posted on 08/04/2008 10:54:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Navy Patriot
Ooh, failure to parrot the party line

His parrot is not dead, it's only sleeping.

7 posted on 08/04/2008 11:07:33 PM PDT by Defiant (Democrats complained that the war was for oil. Now they make war ON oil.)
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To: Defiant

It’s an ex-parrot.


8 posted on 08/04/2008 11:19:51 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1rudeboy
"The bridge was destroyed by Croatian Defence Council units during the Bosnian War, on November 9, 1993 at 10:15 am. Slobodan Praljak, the commander of the Croat forces, is on trial at the ICTY for ordering the destruction of the bridge, among other charges."Wiki

Not sure what Palin said. Haven't seen the episode yet, but it wouldn't be the first time Palin has pissed me off with his PC, "Isn't the EU just a wonderful thing?" speeches.

9 posted on 08/04/2008 11:32:43 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Navy Patriot
Back when the 1999 NATO Bombing was going on, I recall Charles Grodin on Fox making the comment about "the bravery of Serbs" standing on a bridge with bull's eye t-shirts on and he went on about it for a few minutes with statemnts, "Like, wow! These people are amazingly tough and brave, with bombs dropping on them, they are saying Come get me! These are the kind of people that makes you wish they were on our side!" -- until the commercial break. When he came back after commercial, you knew some network exec had made "the call downstairs" because Grodin returned acting like a puppy who had just peed on the rug. He was all apologetic and started spouting the PC party line, "Blah-blah, blah..."100,000 Albanians missing" (a lie), Racak, (a lie)...big bad Serbs (also a lie)

Journalists are scared poop-less of those Big Boy network types and it was sooooo obvious back then! This time it was Pailn's turn in the hot seat.

10 posted on 08/04/2008 11:47:17 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: kronos77

Brit, U.S. and NATO CYA. They don’t want anyone to point out what a travesty this was.


11 posted on 08/04/2008 11:47:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: Defiant

fiords


12 posted on 08/05/2008 12:27:24 AM PDT by MistrX
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To: Bokababe
"wouldn't be the first time Palin has pissed me off with his PC, 'Isn't the EU just a wonderful thing?' speeches. "

Judging by the posting, this one don't sound too very wonderful for the EU..

(Picturing Carol Cleveland in nun's costume, or maybe her underwear, saying "Bad Python...Bad, BAD, Python...")

13 posted on 08/05/2008 3:01:06 AM PDT by norton
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To: kronos77
The complainant also took exception to Palin's suggestion in the show that Serbia was "unfairly blamed" for all the trouble in the region.

Sounds very un-PC to me. Kudos to Palin. We always liked his travel shows. And you know its bad when the BBC starts giving a Monty Python a hard time.

14 posted on 08/05/2008 3:14:48 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: kronos77

Brave New BBC.


15 posted on 08/05/2008 3:43:55 AM PDT by Witch-king of Angmar
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To: kronos77

Good for Palin-—making an attempt to crack open the whole package of lies and deceit that led up to destruction and death in the Balkans and the fabricated demonization of Serbian people.


16 posted on 08/05/2008 5:32:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Bokababe
Because lots of Islamic money goes owns portions of news media. They also pay big oil dollars to PR firms to spin for them.
17 posted on 08/05/2008 5:37:30 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: Bokababe

“...but it wouldn’t be the first time Palin has pissed me off with his PC, “Isn’t the EU just a wonderful thing?”

Pissed off?? Pissed off??

Whoa.

Life’s too short to get pissed off over what someone says.


18 posted on 08/05/2008 5:41:37 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: norton

Evil, wicked Zoot!


19 posted on 08/05/2008 5:43:36 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: 1066AD

Norwegian Blue? Pining for the Fjords?


20 posted on 08/05/2008 5:43:41 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: 1rudeboy; Diocletian

The Croatians happily destroyed the bridge.


21 posted on 08/05/2008 9:14:26 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Kozak

Wonderful plumage.


22 posted on 08/05/2008 9:17:34 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: kronos77
You know the BBC is a propaganda outfit when Mr. Gumby gets it right.


23 posted on 08/05/2008 9:22:09 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

Did it have any strategic value, or was it one of those “I’m destroying your hetitage” sort of things?


24 posted on 08/05/2008 9:23:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77
“I certainly didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition—”
“Mr. Palin, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!”
25 posted on 08/05/2008 9:25:55 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: 1rudeboy; Diocletian

A little bit of both, the Muslims were asking for a little dose of bitch slap. Dio can fill in the details.


26 posted on 08/05/2008 9:27:26 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: PurpleMan
"Life’s too short to get pissed off over what someone says.

Yes, you are of course right. I'm wound a little too tight these days. Giving up cigarettes is no fun! ;>)

27 posted on 08/05/2008 9:43:38 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

“Giving up cigarettes is no fun!”

To quote Lloyd Bridges in “Airplane!”

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines


28 posted on 08/05/2008 9:46:48 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: montyspython; 1rudeboy

The HVO didn’t “happily” destroy the bridge...it did so with a lot of regret. For several weeks, the Muslims in the ABiH were warned not to use the bridge to supply their tiny little pocket that they held on the Western side of the city. They refused to listen, engaged in an ambush that killed 8 HVO soldiers from my hometown, and then the bridge was blown up.


29 posted on 08/05/2008 1:28:35 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: montyspython

The Turks built that bridge and the Croats blowed it all up. Three kisses for the Croats that blowed that bridge up good!


30 posted on 08/05/2008 1:40:44 PM PDT by getoffmylawn (Voting only encourages them.)
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To: getoffmylawn

And how buh-weet...


31 posted on 08/05/2008 9:08:46 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Diocletian

Regret my ass.


32 posted on 08/05/2008 9:09:44 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Bokababe
I saw that episode 5-6 months ago (or so) on HRT - croatian tv...he went through CRO, BiH and SRB very quickly, visited several cities Split, Dubrovnik, I think island of Hvar, Mostar, Sarajevo, Medjugorje, Belgrade...

I don`t remember much, but the general impression is that was like touristic (especially in Hvar), not many comments, not drastic political comments involved - neutral and very reserved (or maybe it`s just me because I expected more anti-serb bias), not positive nor too negative just "that stupid war" kind of thing from his co-speakers and just few - bridge, mines etc, in all very dimmed picture...

About Belgrade it was about 3-4 minutes not more, one of his hosts (Rambo Amadeus - sarcastic name - famous serbian artist) mentioned Milosevic while yachting (! in relaxed "bad things come and go" tone, but people of Belgrade are like that most of the time), talked about night-life in Belgrade Pelin visited "splav" - float club-restaurant (numerous in Belgrade river coasts) and again about the war mentioned "blamed Serbs" etc...

What was hilarious is when he was traveling from Croatia to Albania on a boat, the croatian "barba" - captain, delayed, almost obstructed the voyage by navigating for very long time as he didn`t want to arrive to Albania too quickly as Palin wanted to sail out from the "west Balkans"...and in Albania Palin found interesting to visit some gloomy vilage where he had became a withness of animal sacrifice - some sheep slaughter that some villagers performed for well-being of their cousin-gastarbeiter...it surely do not get along with pictures from Dubrovnik, Mostar or Belgrade

33 posted on 08/08/2008 6:43:22 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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