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Aux Barricades! France and the Jews
The New York Times ^ | August 4, 2008 | ROGER COHEN

Posted on 08/04/2008 12:52:51 PM PDT by Cincinna

PARIS

It’s not quite the Dreyfus Affair, at least not yet. But France is divided again over power and the Jews.

While the United States has been debating The New Yorker’s caricature of Barack Obama as a Muslim, France has gone off the deep end over a brief item in the country’s leading satirical magazine portraying the relationship between President Nicolas Sarkozy’s fast-rising son, Jean, and his Jewish fiancée.

The offending piece in Charlie Hebdo, a pillar of the left-libertarian media establishment, was penned last month by a 79-year-old columnist-cartoonist who goes by the name of Bob Siné. He described the plans — since denied — of Jean Sarkozy, 21, to convert to Judaism before marrying Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, an heiress to the fortune of the Darty electrical goods retailing chain.

“He’ll go far in life, this little fellow!” Siné wrote of Sarkozy Jr.

He added, in a separate item on whether Muslims should abandon their traditions, that: “Honestly, between a Muslim in a chador and a shaved Jewess, my choice is made!”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; france; frenchjews; jews; sarkozy
There is an ugly current of anti-semitism that runs under the radar in French society. It is always there, and rears its ugly head from time to time, in the form of anti-Zionism, pro Palestinianism, blatant anti-Americanism, and the usual stereotypes and characatures.
1 posted on 08/04/2008 12:54:14 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

Left-libertarian media establishment? I regularly read the French press, in French, and no English speaking person would describe it by mixing “left” and “libertarian.” What it is, is Stalinist.


2 posted on 08/04/2008 12:57:10 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Cincinna; nctexan; MassachusettsGOP; paudio; ronnie raygun; Minette; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; ...

“He’ll go far in life, this little fellow!” Siné wrote of Sarkozy Jr.

He added, in a separate item on whether Muslims should abandon their traditions, that: “Honestly, between a Muslim in a chador and a shaved Jewess, my choice is made!”

Disgraceful and disgusting. Left wing newspaper Charlie Hebdo has gone over the line of decency.


3 posted on 08/04/2008 12:59:32 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna
The French? Anti-Semitic?

The Sun? Hot?

Water? Wet?

4 posted on 08/04/2008 12:59:42 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Alouette

pro-Israel/Judaic/Russian Jewry ping list PLEASE COPY


5 posted on 08/04/2008 1:00:23 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna
That is surprising, why drag the man's fiancee’ into the political arena if she doesn't do anything politically speaking?

And to use a Jewish background as some sort of detriment is simply low brow.

6 posted on 08/04/2008 1:01:21 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: Cincinna

Another reason to ignore the Europeans....


7 posted on 08/04/2008 1:01:22 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: pabianice

You’re right about this. The French have always been in the forefront of virulent anti-Semitism. In fact, it was a French aristocrat, Joseph Arthur Comte de Gobineau (1816-1882), who developed the racialist theory of the Aryan master race. Hitler and Nazism relied heavily on his theories.


8 posted on 08/04/2008 1:16:15 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: All


SARKO Jr. JEAN SARKOZY


9 posted on 08/04/2008 1:17:19 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

Sarkozy’s family background is Hungarian Jewish.
His son’s conversion to Judaism is just coming home.


10 posted on 08/04/2008 1:32:06 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: SoCalPol

Did Sark-man give his ex a “get”? (was she Jewish?)


11 posted on 08/04/2008 1:35:12 PM PDT by Nachum (Obama: creepy you can count on)
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To: Cincinna

Dreyfuss was good as an uptight psychiatrist in “What About Bob.”


12 posted on 08/04/2008 2:02:08 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Cincinna

Whoa, that’s one good looking kid. If he goes into politics, he’ll get a long way just on his looks. Kind of like John F. Kennedy, Jr., until he crashed his plane which obviously precluded a career in politics, a direction I believe he was heading in.


13 posted on 08/04/2008 2:48:08 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: RKV
...English speaking person would describe it by mixing “left” and “libertarian.”

In France, 'libertarian' likely means anarchist. Probably, socialist-anarchist.

14 posted on 08/04/2008 2:59:57 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Cincinna

“There is an ugly current of anti-semitism that runs under the radar in French society.”

Actually, there is an ugly current of anti-semitism pretty much everywhere.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 3:21:23 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: decimon

No, in France, liberal, or libertarian means conservative. Again, I speak French.


16 posted on 08/04/2008 3:32:21 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
No, in France, liberal, or libertarian means conservative. Again, I speak French.

Okay. I was going by historical meanings but times change.

17 posted on 08/04/2008 3:40:05 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SoCalPol

Sarkozy is only 1/4 Jewish


18 posted on 08/04/2008 3:41:04 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: Cincinna

How tall is she? She looks about my height (4'11")

19 posted on 08/04/2008 3:47:25 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; Aiko; ...
FReepMail to be added or removed from this pro-Israel/Judaic/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

20 posted on 08/04/2008 3:48:19 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Cincinna

Something to ponder:

The last defenders of the Führerbunker were the French SS volunteers of the 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne (1st French) who remained at the bunker until the early morning of May 2 to prevent the Russians from capturing the bunker on May Day. (ref: Jean Mabire Mourir à Berlin Fayard, 1975).


21 posted on 08/04/2008 4:04:22 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: Alouette

“She looks about my height (4’11”)”

Wow, you’d come almost to my shoulders. (Almost 7 ft.)


22 posted on 08/04/2008 4:07:20 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: Cincinna

Man he is hottie


23 posted on 08/04/2008 4:37:13 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: decimon
In France, 'libertarian' likely means anarchist. Probably, socialist-anarchist.

I confirm. This guy Siné and this rag are deeply Marxist. They are also very successful and the staff is paid handsomely compared to your average journalist. So it's an incarnation of the caviar Left, with a hint of anarchistic tendancies to conceal their profound hypocrisy.

They are definitely not among the French supporters of Libertarianism in the US sense. They either ignore or hate Rand, von Mises, Hayek.

24 posted on 08/04/2008 5:32:36 PM PDT by FrogBurger
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To: Alouette

She’s my type: short, dark, and sexy.


25 posted on 08/04/2008 5:39:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: FrogBurger
They are definitely not among the French supporters of Libertarianism in the US sense.

Political labels barely make any sense. They vary by time and place. I'd like to see a reinvention of the US libertarian movement under some unique label indicating nothing but a moving towards increased freedom.

26 posted on 08/04/2008 5:43:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Alouette

WOW Alouette my mom is your height LOL!

I am 5’8


27 posted on 08/04/2008 5:52:56 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Cincinna

Comparison of the Danish cartoons to this is specious. The Danish cartoons were solicited by the magazine which published them. Threats of violence, boycotts and demands for repression ensued from the OUTSIDE.

Here the Editor is entitled to decide that this Sine person should not represent the paper. It is an employment decision, not a free speech issue.


28 posted on 08/04/2008 6:12:31 PM PDT by dervish (I have a Messiah and his name is not Obama.)
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To: Cincinna
"France has worked itself into a fit of high intellectual dudgeon."

Is that even possible? I would have thought that the French were too busy folding to the Islamo-thugs to get worked up over anything as pedestrian and endemic as Jew hatred. The only thing that the average Frenchy is more fond of than thumping the JOOOOOZZZ is their national past time of verbally kicking around those stupid Americans.

29 posted on 08/04/2008 6:20:24 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Nachum

I think he just told her “git!”


30 posted on 08/04/2008 7:48:33 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Honestly, between a Muslim in a chador and a shaved Jewess, my choice is made!
What a sick writer. Not much has changed since Herzog heard the horrifying shout of "death to the Jews" as Dreyfuss was led along.
31 posted on 08/04/2008 10:35:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Cincinna

Had this little morsel of excrement written with a similar anti-Muslim bias, he’ lost his head. The Jews will do nothing.


32 posted on 08/04/2008 10:38:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Alouette

What a cutie! Jessica, if ever you decide to break up with Jean, I’m single.... Petite beautiful Jewish girls are the best in the world!


33 posted on 08/04/2008 10:45:01 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: SoCalPol

Just a small correction:

Sarko’s paternal grandparents were Hungarian Roman Catholics. His maternal grandfather was Jewish. The grandfather converted to RC when he married the grandmother, who was French, a RC. and a Bouvier. Don’t know if there is any connection to Jackie O.


34 posted on 08/05/2008 2:07:45 AM PDT by Cincinna
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To: FrogBurger

Siné was fired from Charlie Hebdo over this.


35 posted on 08/05/2008 2:11:52 AM PDT by Cincinna
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To: RKV
Again, I speak French.

If an American politician or pundit ever used the word 'Jewess', they would be gone instantly, as they should be. Is the French equivalent more widely used, or restricted, pretty much, to anti-Semites, as in today's English.

36 posted on 08/05/2008 2:45:00 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Unlike English, French has masculine and feminine nouns, the masculine form of Jew is Juif, when referring to a Jew of the female gender, the word is Juive.

"Jewess" was commonly used to denote a female Jewish person throughout the 19 and early part of the 20th century, although it is now archaic. I do not consider use of this word sinister, just quaint.

37 posted on 08/05/2008 8:02:58 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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