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Just another Day in Liberal El Lay.
Breitbart ^ | 2 aug 08 | foutsc

Posted on 08/02/2008 9:13:07 AM PDT by foutsc

California should be conservatives' exhibit A of Liberals Gone Wild. This is what happens when clueless liberals (Yes, including Arnie) let the animals run the zoo.

LOS ANGELES (AP) - One man got stabbed. Another got shot in the chest. A 6-year-old boy was temporarily blinded when he was spray-painted in the face.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; gangs; graffiti; guns; losangeles; urban

1 posted on 08/02/2008 9:13:07 AM PDT by foutsc
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To: foutsc

Until people stop being so dam PC and get rid of the gangs, all this will continue. It’s going to get to the point that peoples rights will have to take a back seat until the gangs are gone. LA and Chicago got rid of them once, they can do it again.


2 posted on 08/02/2008 9:15:38 AM PDT by RC2
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To: foutsc
a friend of mine from LA told me how a woman got shot in the back for following around graffiti crews in her car and stopping them from their vandalism. She didn't see the car in the back.

BTW I believe it is illegal to carry guns in LA. Well there's more proof gun control works.

3 posted on 08/02/2008 9:18:14 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: Come in and get taxed)
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To: RC2
It’s going to get to the point that peoples rights will have to take a back seat until the gangs are gone.

Too late! I'm already writing about it.

4 posted on 08/02/2008 9:18:59 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: Come in and get taxed)
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To: RC2

The cops know who they are. Hell, they have gang tatoos. The local government doesn’t want to solve the problem.


5 posted on 08/02/2008 9:19:44 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: foutsc

The freeways signs in L.A. have razor-wire on them in an attempt to keep them free of graffiti.


6 posted on 08/02/2008 9:23:06 AM PDT by steveo (Hi mom!)
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To: steveo

“The freeways signs in L.A. have razor-wire on them in an attempt to keep them free of graffiti.”

One of the “wonderful” multi-cultural attributes from Latin America.

When the revolution comes it will be time to purge wetbacks, liberals and tatooed MS13ers from the habitat!


7 posted on 08/02/2008 9:32:39 AM PDT by texican01
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To: foutsc

Make you wonder if subsonic .22 aimed at their spray cans would dissuade some taggers. Paintballs might also be useful to cover “finished” works


8 posted on 08/02/2008 9:35:36 AM PDT by Starwolf (I rode to work today, did you?)
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To: foutsc

I suggest a $25,000 dollar reward per graffiti artist.

That would be cheaper than what we are doing now.

After 25% of them are in prison, I think the message will be loud and clear.

Just throw the little tards in prison and lose the key.

Make gang membership a 25 year minimum sentence. Catch one of these bastard kids paint a wall, send them up the river.

This is such a blight on our nation. Whole communities are destroyed by this. Time to take off the kit gloves and get serious.

That is if the government actually wants to. You have to ask yourself how we got here, and why the government doesn’t give a damn.


9 posted on 08/02/2008 9:39:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: steveo
On pole at left.......


10 posted on 08/02/2008 9:44:34 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: foutsc
"We won't say anything to them," said Rogelio Flores, whose company Graffiti Busters contracts with Los Angeles to blast away the markings with high-pressure hoses. "We don't know what kind of weapons they have."

They should send out a few police crews with instructions to turn the high-pressure hoses on the vandals, and escalate from there as necessary.

11 posted on 08/02/2008 9:44:36 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: foutsc
On the same day, a 51-year-old auto mechanic was shot in the chest in Los Angeles when he confronted two suspected gang members painting the wall of his shop.

These goons have absolutely no concept of public or private property. They consider all physical surfaces their very own property by right of eminenct domain.They will kill to protect that right.

If the auto mechanic had returned fire, his shop would have been torched to the ground.

Here's a sample of their unmitigated arrogance:

"If we see someone calling the police, then we target them," said Mario Garcia, 20, who describes himself as a former tagger trying to become a professional artist. "You are trying to stop me from what I live, what I believe in and what I breathe? We are not going to let no one get in the way."

12 posted on 08/02/2008 9:44:40 AM PDT by henbane
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To: RC2

Maybe we should make these ‘artists’ fair game 24/7. I wonder if City offials would give you a bonus for shooting 3 or more at one time?


13 posted on 08/02/2008 9:44:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I suggest a $25,000 dollar reward per graffiti artist.

Or $12,500 per ear.

14 posted on 08/02/2008 9:49:10 AM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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To: Stentor

I thought of that actually. The problem is, you’d have gang members bringing in the ears of innocents.

Here you actually have to prove the guy did the deed, then send him off to prison.

Even taking the ears of gang members would not prevent them from doing it again.

Of course you could take the ears after conviction, just before they go off to prison. I’ll have to give that some thought... LOL


15 posted on 08/02/2008 9:51:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: foutsc
"We live in the same community. We are all in this hellhole together."

Pretty good description of Los Angeles. A hellhole. It used to be paradise. Now it's a hellhole.

16 posted on 08/02/2008 10:05:45 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: foutsc

thanks for posting this. i read it in the morning paper. this kid thinks he has the right to be violent:

“You are trying to stop me from what I live, what I believe in and what I breathe? We are not going to let no one get in the way.”


17 posted on 08/02/2008 10:18:54 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: steveo
The freeways signs in L.A. have razor-wire on them in an attempt to keep them free of graffiti.

You see that in a lot of cities now.

Many of the overheads also have bullet holes in them. I've seen some with bullet patterns specifically similar to that of common machine guns.

Some areas of LA are clearly not safe.

18 posted on 08/02/2008 10:43:14 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Nea Wood
Pretty good description of Los Angeles. A hellhole. It used to be paradise.

That's not saying much for America, given the fact that Los Angeles has considerably less crime per capita than most all other major cities in other states.

19 posted on 08/02/2008 10:47:34 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: foutsc

Been lurking for a while, and had to register so I could comment.

They are not artists. They don’t deserve the title. They are POS vandals. The term “graffiti artist” really irks me. Its an oxymoron.

Okay, going back to lurk mode.


20 posted on 08/02/2008 10:49:38 AM PDT by cg56
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To: foutsc

cant we be tolerant of artists trying to express themselves?


21 posted on 08/02/2008 11:02:18 AM PDT by isom35
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To: isom35

Yes. When the “artists” express themselves with their own money and their own property.


22 posted on 08/02/2008 11:09:21 AM PDT by foutsc (-- Nietzsche is Dead)
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To: foutsc
Los Angeles County has battled graffiti for decades, spending $30 million a year to paint over or clean up the emblems, names and other images spray-painted on stores, concrete-lined riverbeds, rail lines, phone booths, buses, even police cars. On Wednesday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a law requiring convicted graffiti vandals to remove their scrawl.

Wow, talk about a law that will put the fear of God in taggers. < / s>

How about second time you get caught tagging, you spend 12 months breaking rocks with a hammer 8 hours a day in chains as long as you go to school the other 4 hours. If not liking the chance to educate yourself, you break rocks for 12 hours a day in chains Three decent squares a day, no TV, no A/C, just rocks and books

Of course there are solutions that work, the only thing stopping the authorities from implementing these solutions are the grit and backbone to endorse draconian laws to restore law and order

23 posted on 08/02/2008 11:13:45 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: henbane
They consider all physical surfaces their very own property by right of eminenct domain.They will kill to protect that right. If the auto mechanic had returned fire, his shop would have been torched to the ground.

There may come a point where civil war comes. At that point, anybody who looks like, or smells like, a gang banger will be targeted

24 posted on 08/02/2008 11:16:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: cg56
Been lurking for a while, and had to register so I could comment.

Welcome to FR.

You do know there is no going back after posting your first post....................................you are assimilated ( insert evil laugh track)

25 posted on 08/02/2008 11:18:35 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: dragnet2
That's not saying much for America, given the fact that Los Angeles
has considerably less crime per capita than most all other major
cities in other states.


True.
But there's more to that story for folks that haven't lived in
LA/SoCal.

During my tour of duty (1995-2005), it was interesting to find
that LA-area enclaves like Sherman Oaks and the home-base for
many LAPD personnel, Simi Valley, would sometimes go a year or two
with ZERO reported murders.

But, within 40 miles or so, you'd have messes in localized
areas of South Central.

When I first arrived in LA in 1995, living in a nice West LA area,
it was disconcerting to see TV news reports of say a shooting around
an LA public school...with all the nice, tidy houses, swaying palms...
in other words, a place that looked like it should be immune from
crime and gang violence.

LA/SoCal is nice place that flyover country should visit...
it mostly is a nice place...but like any other city there
a hot spots and places where some random act of violence can
send you to the morgue.
26 posted on 08/02/2008 11:20:27 AM PDT by VOA
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To: henbane
"You are trying to stop me from what I live, what I believe in and what I breathe? We are not going to let no one get in the way."

Hmmm, I believe that my domicile should be graffiti free, guess I should take his attitude and not "let no one get in the way". Fair warning.

27 posted on 08/02/2008 11:49:31 AM PDT by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: VOA
You bet.

From sprawling elite opulent, private country clubs, complete with fine china, high end art, and white gloved well spoken waiters, with parking lots full of Rolls Royce's and Ferrari's, to senseless murder districts that resemble a trashed third world ghettos.

It's all here.

I am intimately familiar with the LA area.

28 posted on 08/02/2008 12:02:51 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Starwolf
Make you wonder if subsonic .22 aimed at their spray cans would dissuade some taggers.

I would think tracers might make things more interesting, though I don't know if one tracer would suffice or if two would be necessary.

29 posted on 08/02/2008 12:07:40 PM PDT by supercat
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To: cg56
They are not artists.... The term “graffiti artist” really irks me. Its an oxymoron.

Even this guy?

30 posted on 08/02/2008 12:11:05 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Starwolf

re. your #8

I’m down


31 posted on 08/02/2008 12:21:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: Soliton

RE: “The cops know who they are. Hell, they have gang tatoos. The local government doesn’t want to solve the problem”

Yes, to a very large extent police know exactly who gang members are — I’ve been to police sponsored community meetings held to educate us about the various gangs and their methods and how to recognize members.

Gangs are surprisingly sophisticated, using the internet and even function well with those “outside” while many are in prison. It’s all elaborate and well organized, and some of their methods are not unlike the Mafia type gangs of earlier years.

We used to be able to paint out local graffiti ourselves with no repercussions at all, but now even what appears to be just tagger wannabee graffiti can in fact be gang-related. Many people have been injured or killed for taking matters into their own hands so we are strongly urged to just contact the graffiti paint-out crews ASAP so this scourage can be removed within a day or two of it’s appearance.

They even put it on peoples’ property like walls of their yards, vehicles, and occasionally on a house itself. And I’m talking decent neighborhoods as well as the barrios/ghettos. For the record, most of what we see around LA is Mexican/other hispanic gang graffiti though there is also Asian, black, and Armenian among others.

It’s a total nightmare and though response to requests for clean-up is pretty swift, way too much time and money is being spent and it’s far too dangerous out there now. These gangs must be stopped but the authorities’ hands are tied to a great degree because of the ridiculous laws protecting the gang members’ “rights.”

The kicker is that gang members know they will likely not live beyond age 30 but they don’t care, so threatening them with imprisonment and/or death doesn’t help.


32 posted on 08/02/2008 12:41:16 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: DoughtyOne
How about mandatory tattoo removal for all prisoners with monthly follow-up examinations.

No parole if you get a tattoo in prison after your initial tattoos are removed.

I understand that removal is much more painful than having them put on.

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33 posted on 08/02/2008 12:53:35 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: B4Ranch
You overlook just who the "City Officials" are. Good chance at least a few used to do the same crap a few years ago.

That's who runs L.A.

34 posted on 08/02/2008 1:24:53 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: LonePalm

My idea of what prison should be, doesn’t conform in the slightest way to what they are today.

Prisons are a vile place. I would change things drastically. When people came out, they would not have networked to become worse than when they went in.

There wouldn’t be anyone running things on the outside from inside.

There wouldn’t be any happy dance going in because it would make someone look tough.


35 posted on 08/02/2008 1:32:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: CaliforniaCon
We used to be able to paint out local graffiti ourselves with no repercussions at all, but now even what appears to be just tagger wannabee graffiti can in fact be gang-related.

How about passing a law stating that the painting of certain types of graffiti on private property may be regarded as a deadly threat and treated as such?

36 posted on 08/02/2008 1:54:38 PM PDT by supercat
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To: henbane
I had problems with that at my workplace. I painted over the graffiti every time. I painted over the graffiti only. A clean wall is like giving them a new canvas. Although it looked bad eventually they stopped.

They LA version of tagger looks a lot more militant. They won't be stopped unless the underlying gang culture is crushed. There are LA gangs going back generations. I do not see it happining.

37 posted on 08/02/2008 3:41:48 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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