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T. Boone Pickens' 'clean' secret
LA Times ^ | 29 July 2008 | Anthony Rubenstein

Posted on 07/29/2008 4:06:53 AM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: gridlock
" Actually, Pickens has been very up-front in stating that without subsidies, his plan makes no sense. So it is a raid on the treasury masquerading as an energy program, as far as I am concerned.

Why do we, as a country, want to invest in expensive technology when good, cheap, well developed energy sources are available in abundance and without subsidy, if we just lift the restrictions? This is madness!

The government should just get the Hell out of the way and let the markets take care of this. If Pickens can make a buck on CNG and windmills, he should. If he can't make a buck, he has no business doing it."

ding, ding, ding... we have a winner...

This needs repeating.

Thanks Grid.
jw

21 posted on 07/29/2008 6:17:07 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: gridlock
Until all subsidies are abolished, would you agree that wind and other renewable energy sources should be able to receive subsidies?

Please note that subsidies for Pickens' plans come AFTER he has invested multi $billions of sweat equity.

22 posted on 07/29/2008 6:19:10 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shrinkermd
Pickens only worries about how to cash in, not about what the 'country needs' are. He's a snake-oil salesman.

Follow the money and where it will go.

23 posted on 07/29/2008 6:24:00 AM PDT by Pistolshot (NO B.O.)
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To: shove_it
Until all subsidies are abolished, would you agree that wind and other renewable energy sources should be able to receive subsidies?

So your argument is that since that guy has a hand in my right pocket, you should be permitted to pick left pocket? The appropriate response is to get all hands out of my pockets but my own...

Please note that subsidies for Pickens' plans come AFTER he has invested multi $billions of sweat equity.

Pickens is quite up front is telling us that the purpose of his plan is to realize the gains from the subsidies. We should believe him when he says this. The reason for this work is to get paid by the government.

24 posted on 07/29/2008 6:24:24 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: gridlock; All
“We should believe him when he says this. The reason for this work is to get paid by the government.”
>>>>>>>>>...............
;all this moralizing is smoke..Picken is a Business man making money..why is it wrong for him to have recognized that Government is his customer in this socialized country?
Producing energy is his business - he is smart enough to see that Politics out way normal economics - I say bravo MR Picken..bravo..he makes money on providing a product that we all need and that the government has stopped due to politics. If you are an eco nut or an capitalist this is a win win for all..Mr Picken is very smart so lets vilify him for doing what we all wish we could do. produce clean energy here in America at a profit.
25 posted on 07/29/2008 6:34:42 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: gridlock

Anthony Rubenstein is a competitor (he has a clean energy venture with China) of T. Boone Pickens and his article is a hit piece from the LA Times.

Anthony Rubenstein’s Summary

Tony is a business development and communications strategist with an in-depth knowledge of Clean Energy. Tony is currently co-founder and Managing Partner of SinoTransPacific Ventures, a cross border investment advisory firm focused on CleanTech opportunities in China. SinoTransPacific is currently engaged with a major Chinese State-Owned Wind Turbine manufacturer in the creation of a foreign investor joint venture for the purpose of value growth through technology acquisition, global business development, and mergers & acquisitions leading to a planned IPO in 2011.

Tony is the former Chairman and founder of Californians for Clean Energy, the force behind the 2006 Proposition 87, the largest Clean Energy referendum in U.S. history. Tony recruited and led the group of renowned scientists, businessmen, environmentalists and others who formulated Prop 87’s policies, headed a $54 million fundraising effort, and recruited leaders in the Clean Energy sector including the Solar Energy Industry Association, the Renewable Fuels Association, and the American Council on Renewable Energy. Among noteworthy supporters of Prop 87 were Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Google’s Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, tech entrepreneur Elon Musk, venture capitalists John Doerr and Vinod Khosla, and Lawrence Bender, academy award winning producer of “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Tony was a Boardmember and Director of Corporate Development for the non-profit L.A. Works, Los Angeles’ largest community service action center. Tony designed and executed community service programming for Fortune 500 clients that resulted millions of dollars worth of charitable value delivered to inner city public schools and non-profit agencies.

Tony holds a B.A. from the University of San Francisco and an MBA from the UCLA Anderson Graduate School of Management.
Anthony Rubenstein’s Specialties:

Corporate communications, Strategic communications, Business
Development, Finance, Coalition Building, Fundraising, Extensively Media Trained, Pursuasive Communication. Project Management, International M&A, China National Business practices especially in clean tech (including Solar and Wind).


26 posted on 07/29/2008 6:36:05 AM PDT by Amadeo
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To: gridlock
It is illegal to pick your pocket. What is Pickens doing illegal? He is playing the game by the rules now in effect.
27 posted on 07/29/2008 6:36:29 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Amadeo

Good find! Got a source?


28 posted on 07/29/2008 6:39:49 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shadowgovernment

I have no doubt that Mr. Pickens will make a profit on this venture. However, the only reason he will make a profit is because the government is going to shovel my money into his bank account. The windmill is just the window dressing used to sell the whole scam.

Now, forgive me if I don’t give a rousing cheer as my money and the money of millions of ordinary Americans is used to pad the bank accounts of Billionaires. I know this happens already, but that does not mean I have to approve as it happens to me again.


29 posted on 07/29/2008 6:46:24 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: gridlock
Actually, Pickens has been very up-front in stating that without subsidies, his plan makes no sense.

Then his plan makes no sense.

30 posted on 07/29/2008 6:54:08 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: CharacterCounts

You got that right!


31 posted on 07/29/2008 6:55:15 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: MrB

Actually, natural gas is inexhaustable. Everything that eats produces it, and everything that rots produces it. It is being produced whether we use it or not, AND methane is much worse than co2 as a green house gas. To top that off, when you burn methane in an engine, in many cases the engine exhausts cleaner air than it drew in.


32 posted on 07/29/2008 6:56:52 AM PDT by weezel
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To: shove_it; Amadeo
Here's the source: http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=50482982

This profile was automatically generated using 60 references found on the Internet. This information has been verified by Anthony Rubenstein

33 posted on 07/29/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: gridlock
I would like to make a basic proposal: Economics 101 should be a required course before posting on economic thread is permitted.

The free market will always be the superior method of picking winners and losers.

34 posted on 07/29/2008 7:02:12 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: gridlock; All
“I know this happens already, but that does not mean I have to approve as it happens to me again.”
>>>>>>>>>.....................
I will try to be kind to you, and take this little advice..
do not decry the success of others..emulate them as best your abilities allow ..sour grapes is not becoming of a conservative.
PS mr picken has risked billions on this effort (his own money) when you have no skin in the game it is easy to find faults.
35 posted on 07/29/2008 7:03:05 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: shadowgovernment

If Mr. Pickens ideas are so great, he should invest a little more of his skin and less of mine. There is never a loss of investors for truly great ideas.


36 posted on 07/29/2008 7:08:21 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: shadowgovernment
sour grapes is not becoming of a conservative

Neither is advocating government solutions to private problems.

37 posted on 07/29/2008 7:09:55 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: CharacterCounts
“The free market will always be the superior method of picking winners and losers.”
>>>>>>>>>>...........................
sure sure , just like the “free trade” BS we are all fed
The US fed government was paid for by Tariffs prior to WWI-
not our income taxes.. As I have posted ave world tariffs on US made goods 20%+ our tariffs on imports under 3%..so much for free trade as an example for those who THINK there is a FREE MARKET.there is not one the USA..Any big infrastructure program must involve the government that is fact. (see construction of dams, railroads as example)
Mr Picken sees the world as it is not as we would like it to be..wake up econ 101 does not work in a socialist country that we have become.
38 posted on 07/29/2008 7:12:19 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: shadowgovernment
I will try to be kind to you, and take this little advice..

Oh, thank you for being so gentle with widdle ol' me...

do not decry the success of others..emulate them as best your abilities allow ..sour grapes is not becoming of a conservative.

I do not begrudge Mr. Pickens anything that he has earned in the oil business by the sweat of his brow or by taking risks with his money. That is the American Way, and it benefits us all.

PS mr picken has risked billions on this effort (his own money) when you have no skin in the game it is easy to find faults.

Mr. Pickens is now risking his money to get subsidies, not energy. The place to drill for energy is over an oil field, not in Washington DC or Sacramento. The purpose of his plan is to exploit an irrational subsidy policy in order to fleece the taxpayer. Mr. Pickens has seen an opportunity created by flawed public policies, and he is moving to expoit it. Unfortunately, this in the New American Way, and it benefits nobody except the person getting paid.

As for having no skin in the game, I pay taxes like everybody else. That is the money Mr. Pickens is angling for, so I most definitely have some skin in this game. And since I have comparitively less skin than Mr. Pickens, every bit of mine is more dear to me.

39 posted on 07/29/2008 7:14:29 AM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: shadowgovernment
The free market will always be the superior method of picking winners and losers.

If you do not believe that basic principle, you are on the wrong site.

40 posted on 07/29/2008 7:17:18 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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