Fat Lady practicing her aria Ping.
Posted on 07/28/2008 3:13:43 PM PDT by hocndoc
Five indicted FLDS members have turned themselves in.
The men, sought since they were indicted Tuesday on a series of charges relating to alleged sexual abuse at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' Schleicher County ranch, turned themselves in to the Schleicher County Sheriff's Office about noon today, said Texas Ranger Capt. L.C. Wilson.
According to the Texas Attorney General's Office, the five men are:
* Raymond Merril Jessop, 36, the alleged husband of a 16-year-old daughter of Warren Jeffs, is charged with one count of sexual assault of a child. * Allan Eugene Keate, 56, is charged with one count of sexual assault of a child. * Michael Gorge Emack, 57, is charged with one count of sexual assault of a child. * Merril Leroy Jessop, 33, is charged with one count of sexual assault of a child and bigamy. * Lloyd Hammond Barlow, 38, is charged with three counts of failure to report child abuse.
All the charges except failure to report child abuse - which is a misdemeanor - are first-degree felonies, punishable by up to life in prison.
The four men charged with felonies are held in lieu of bonds of $100,000, while Barlow's bond was set at $5,000.
Sect leader Warren Jeffs also was indicted on one count of sexual assault of a child, but he is already in jail, awaiting trial in Arizona.
Lloyd Hammond Barlow, 38, is charged with three counts of failure to report child abuse.
Why him, in particular?
Thanks for posting the article.
I should be studying for tomorrow’s ACLS class - usually I clean house or something when I’m putting off studying. This counts as something.
Thanks.
This is the proper way to do it...charge individuals based on their own individual actions.
Thanks for the update.......
Follow actions by the Grand Jury and the Feds will most likely bring additional indictments but we’ll have to wait to see. Meantime the scrutiny continues and CPS has begun parenting classes for some of them whatever that means.
He’s the doctor from the cult compound
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/30/sects-doctor-mum-about-ranch-clinic/
Isn’t the the YFZ Ranch ‘doctor’?
The one who stated the he would know if there were underage girls bearing children, or child abuse.
Seems he lied.
Got it - that makes perfect sense.
Or he was willfully ignorant - we shall see what the jury says.
oops... I meant to send the THANKS to you!
The FLDS are not Mormons! *
* Despite the fact the FLDS have the same sacred scripture (Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine & Covenants), the same founding prophets, the same temple ceremonies, and are following the teachings of Mormonism as proclaimed by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
Barlow also named 4 wives on the “Bishop’s List.”
What do you mean, named them? He dilivered them as babies, then named them?
Thanks Doc
Bookmarking so I can read the defense of these men from those who think that it is perfectly fine for a sixteen year old girl to be “married” to a man who is thirty-three (that was the youngest man charged, right?). Sheesh, I don’t care how old your grandma was when she got married seventy years ago. In America in 2008, it is creepy and disturbing. (And, no, I am NOT fussing at you, hocndoc! :)))
Fat Lady practicing her aria Ping.
Waiting for the first FLDS defender to post “The charges will be thrown out! They know they will be free in days! TX sucks!”
Perhaps she hasn’t seen the thread yet ...
I am so sorry for your loss.
Is Allen Keate the supposedly monogamous guy who appeared on tv with his wife? That said in one interview how worried they were about their daughter, than in the next interview said they only had sons?
No, that was Rulon Keate.
Thank you - I couldn’t remember the first name.
I understand . . . so many people, so few last names. It’s not hard to get confused.
I don’t think there’s much difference between lying when you know, and pretending you don’t know.
Michael Gorge Emack, 57, is charged with one count of sexual assault of a child.
He brought his child bride and her son to the ranch but left 3 wives and 11 children to fend for themselves back in Short Creek . . . I wonder if they are "bleeding the beast"?
It is, however, a more difficult problem in court.
How about a 17-yo? Is that legal?
They all (well, most - the worthy) have multiple wives, why was he the only one with a bigamy charge?
Hmmmm.
I can see just about anyone BUT the YFZ RANCH DOCTOR not knowing the age of the women who he delivered children for, or that he personally examines.
He is the ONE person that WOULD know, and would have ‘records’ of.
To be fair, though, there are differences, most having to do with the fact the LDS are more ashamed of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young than the FLDS.
“They all (well, most - the worthy) have multiple wives, why was he the only one with a bigamy charge? “
I think he is the only one ‘legally’ married to two different women, in different states.
His list contains the names of four females designated as “wife” under the “relationship” column.
I agree - as a DR, he should have records of every birth, and shold be able to reference those records, when a child he delivered delivers a child.
And failure to report abuse is against the law, pretty much everywhere in the US, I think.
EG, look at the actions against PP, where they never report abuse.
Technically, aren’t they actually ‘concubines’?
Why do they call it ‘planned parenthood’ when it really involves ‘unplanned parenthood’?
So you mean, he implicated the fathers, when you say, “named them.”
Actually, it should be called “planned murder for profit.”
Who owns the abortion clinics?
Well, a seventeen-year-old bride might be legal, and I am sure that there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence to “prove” that a marriage between a seventeen-year-old and and guy in his mid-to-late thirties can be highly successful and congenial. Heck, I’ve even heard of this arrangement. I can still find it unsettling and creepy. The good thing for those who want to practice this behavior is that I am not some type of all powerful dictator who gets to tell everyone what they can and can’t do based on my emotional responses.
My mom told me, as a fourteen-year-old high school freshman eager to date a cute senior boy, recently turned eighteen, “Any guy who is a legal adult that would want to date a little girl is either a pervert or is scared of women his own age.” Now, in my experience, it seems that once we pass into our early twenties, everything seems to balance out, and large discrepancies in age seem trifling. However, when one of my teenaged girlfriends was dating an adult male that was five or more years older than her, I just saw a loser that was scared of women his own age.
For full disclosure; I have recently turned thirty-five, and look pretty good for my age, so I am not just disgruntled that men like young nubile girls. I felt that way when I was a young nubile chickie myeself! Also, my sister is very happily married to a man twelve years older than her (they met when she was in her thirties, not teens), and am not screaming about age differences being a big deal past the twenty-one or -two mark.
But, yeah, I have a big (personal, emotionally driven as opposed to biological/legal) gut-driven “EWW, Gross, PERV ALERT” feeling about men dating/marrying/sleeping around with teenaged girls. Again, I don’t make the rules, so it certainly doesn’t affect anyone but me, either way.
“Lloyd Hammond Barlow, 38, is charged with three counts of failure to report child abuse.”
It seems your question (from the other thread) was answered.
A big factor in this is DID the 17 year old girl WANT to be a ‘concubine’ to a 37 year old man?
What choice was the 17 year old allowed in the matter? (the answer is none)
Not a legal wife, but a concubine.
I am not advocating old men raping little girls - Not at all.
In fact, I am not advocating anything.
This topic is too dangerous.
Thanks.
This is what happens after an indictment, not a whole lot of news, other than the specific charges.
Sure wish they would have done this four months ago.
“And failure to report abuse is against the law, pretty much everywhere in the US, I think.”
Makes one wonder, how many ‘broken bones’ did he not report, or record?
Did he only send the cases that weren’t abuse to outside agencies?
Or just say, ‘they fell down the stairs’?
(which is, more or less, what he told the press)
As I agree with you completely, all I can add is that our educated guess is that these girls (or, “young women” if that makes it easier to swallow) didn’t have a lot of say-so in their concubinage, it just raises my personal, “NASTY OLD PERV” feelings to the nth degree.
I’ve known a lot of females in my life, and haven’t known a single one who was willing and eager to be one of a number of bed partners for one fellow. Now, maybe it’s just because I don’t hang around with gals with no self-esteem, and maybe out there is a huge number of women who like being second (or third, fourth, fifth, etc.) best, and I just haven’t run into them. Groupies, for example, who might not mind being a notch on a bed post. But, even I can see the difference between a sordid fling with a rock star and “wife” number five for an unattractive fifty-year-old. Neither is remotely appealing to me, but one is a million times less appealing, and it ain’t the rock star! ;)
BTW, I think that whole “broken bones” thing was nonsense.
Lots of folks posted, they had never broken a bone, etc.
Well, I have - I broke the same leg twice, all three of my kids have had broken arms, my wife fell down the stairs and broke here leg in about five places,...
Oh, and I broke my arm, falling off a jungle gym, when I was about six.
It proves absolutely nothing.
And farming, measured by injuries to kids, is the most dangerous occupation in the US.
For the record, it didn’t cross my mind that you would be advocating the rape of anyone!!! I am not going to assume that anyone of FR is getting close to thinking that rape is something to be admired or even accepted.
I agree with you about this being a dangerous topic. I hope I didn’t frame my response in a way that seemed like I was accusing you, personally, of anything! I am just trying to explain why I am interested in those who DO think that there is nothing exceptional about a teenaged girl having sex with men twenty or more years older than they are. In 2008, with maternal mortality rates very low during childbirth, and so many people living in our country giving people a much larger pool of potential mates, men seeking teenagers to mate with grosses me out, and makes me wonder what psychological reasons motivate them.
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