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1 posted on 07/25/2008 6:39:43 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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“Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept. Among the very liberal the support was only slightly less enthusiastic - 28% said they favored such a right. Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.”

I’m in favor of letting liberals secede.


2 posted on 07/25/2008 6:40:53 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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Perhaps we should translate the Constitution into Spanish. /sarc


3 posted on 07/25/2008 6:41:17 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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Gee, I wonder where they got that idea...

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary to dissolve the political bands which have connected them to another...."

4 posted on 07/25/2008 6:46:08 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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To: DemonDeac

I’ve seen this movie, and while it has a great ending it’s full of violence and trouble. Even though I know how it ends I don’t care to sit through it again.


6 posted on 07/25/2008 6:48:10 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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Obama will be the anti-Lincoln and allow the nation to crumble.


7 posted on 07/25/2008 6:48:21 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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If you don’t want to be part of the US, then leave.


8 posted on 07/25/2008 6:50:19 AM PDT by ljco (I think the best possible social program is a job. - The Gipper)
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“Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%)

Obama voters


9 posted on 07/25/2008 6:52:20 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: DemonDeac
The question was settled over a century ago.

By force of arms.

But settled nonetheless.

11 posted on 07/25/2008 6:54:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: DemonDeac

The States have no such right...

on the other hand, the People do.

jw


12 posted on 07/25/2008 7:00:12 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: DemonDeac
No surprise, probably that many who can't name the Vice President of the United States or their U.S. senator or think there are 57 states in the U.S. etc.
13 posted on 07/25/2008 7:00:48 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for McCain because he's white - credit Jeff Chandler)
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Sure a state can peacefully secede, all they need do is pass a Constitutional amendment that says they are no longer part of the Union! No problemo.
16 posted on 07/25/2008 7:05:12 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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I wonder how many of these people even know what the word “secede” even means? I bet they thought the states have the right to “succeed” in taking your money and giving it to them.


18 posted on 07/25/2008 7:09:24 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the opposite of anything is holiness)
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To: DemonDeac

Ah, public education and latin american history. Such a potent combination...


20 posted on 07/25/2008 7:12:51 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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This will rear its ugly head in about 30 years (fewer with Obama in charge) when an overwhelming Hispanic majority in California votes to secede.

South Carolina tried it in 1861. But America was populated with Americans then.

Don’t think the USA can’t dissolve overnight in this day and age? Ask the Soviet Union.


22 posted on 07/25/2008 7:17:05 AM PDT by oldbill
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Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%).This is exactly why McCain needs to wake up on border security. The Hispanics that want the border open are radicals and are simply using McCain to take over territory. American Hispanics aren't going to vote for McCain when they can get much more from a liberal. McCain is operating under the false assumption that these Hispanics want to become American or will respect American generosity.
25 posted on 07/25/2008 7:25:21 AM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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Reminds me of this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela,_Massachusetts


26 posted on 07/25/2008 7:26:44 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks
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Not factually accurate, but I fervently believe that it SHOULD be so. How can one say that they support freedom and liberty on one hand, and yet disallow (and promote armed aggression against!!!) those in a region who simply do not wish to be a part of a nation any longer.

Of course, the required support would have to be at least a super-majority, and other issues would need to be addressed... but to say that such a region or population has, as its ONLY recourse, armed insurrection seems anathema to a just and righteous nation. IMHO.

27 posted on 07/25/2008 7:29:42 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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That’s down from 55 percent 150 years ago . .


28 posted on 07/25/2008 7:33:43 AM PDT by WilliamReading
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Some want a new Mexico just as corrupt as the original, but with themselves on the receiving end of the wealth transfer. It's more a lack of vision than anything else - they don't understand how a democratic republic can work for everyone's benefit and thus they fall back on the familiar, with different players in charge.
31 posted on 07/25/2008 7:39:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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They do. They just can’t do it unilaterally. Or so the Supreme Court found in 1869.


32 posted on 07/25/2008 7:42:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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I find it amazing how many posters on this thread have cited the Constitution. Perhaps they can show me where the Constitution:

Where the government can take your land to build shopping centers.

Where the government can try someone in multiple courts because they don’t like the ruling that one court comes out with.

Where the government can require you to fill out census papers including information that is none of their business(not just the 10 year census but anytime they feel like it) or threaten you with jail time.

Where the government can take your money or property and give it to anyone it feels is more deserving.

Where the government can tell you who you must or must not hire or fire in your own business.

Where the government can tell you who you must or must not rent your own property to and how much you can charge.

Where the government can tell you what you can and cannot say within 90 days of an election.

Where the government can take your children away from you if they do not agree your method of discipline or child rearing.

Where the government can require you to pay to have your children indoctrinated with ideas that are foreign to your own beliefs.

Where the government can increase sentences and penalties because you were ‘thinking’ improperly when you acted.

Where the government can enslave its people by taking any amount of their earnings that they see fit.

Where the government can tell you what you can or cannot build on your own private property because you may be causing pain to some toad.

Were the government ............. you get the idea.


34 posted on 07/25/2008 7:56:34 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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It all depends on who’s in charge when the attempt is made.


35 posted on 07/25/2008 8:18:27 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably secede."

I guess because Hispanics and Northern Urban Blacks have never really felt the sting of Sherman, or its aftereffects.

37 posted on 07/25/2008 8:39:43 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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Actually Texas does have that right. When we became part of the United States we were a sovereign republic. One of the conditions of our joining the USA was the right of succession and the right to break the state up into 5 separate states if we so desired.
40 posted on 07/25/2008 9:41:07 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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It would be better to just kick a few states out.. and better yet just a few city's or county's here and there ...
44 posted on 07/25/2008 10:36:07 AM PDT by tophat9000 (:[....)
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“Zogby:One in Five Americans Believe States Have the Right to Secede (43% of Hispanics)”

I wonder how many Americans know if this issue has ever come up before?


45 posted on 07/25/2008 11:36:33 AM PDT by Spok
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I say we let all 50 states secede. Once they are all individual sovereign states, they can then be loosely tied to one another by a document which will limit what the federal government can do. Maybe we can add an "amendment" that would give any rights not specifically enumerated in this new document to the states.

I am just throwing ideas out off the top of my head.....

46 posted on 07/25/2008 11:57:28 AM PDT by nitzy (Take your pick: Globalism OR Limited Government)
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