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Ex-Astronaut: Aliens Are Real and NASA Knows It
Fox News ^ | July 24th, 2008

Posted on 07/24/2008 2:27:45 PM PDT by Raineygoodyear

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To: Quix
Some abductees have reported seeing sizeable intergalactic zoos on some of the super huge mother ships far out in space.

LOL! Sorry, Quix. That's out there, even for you. Geez!
61 posted on 07/24/2008 3:43:44 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: txroadkill

Yep. Much of this does seem transparently aimed at increasing book sales among UFO cultists.


62 posted on 07/24/2008 3:44:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Raineygoodyear
Why do scientists believe life formed on Mars as microbes then somehow came to Earth on a meteorite and started life but yet don't believe in UFO’s?
63 posted on 07/24/2008 3:44:39 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

I also saw an astronaut of the female persuasion on TV once giving an interview. She had been a commander of a recent mission, I think.

The interviewer asked her some throwaway question about why she was an astronaut and she started hyperventilating and exclaiming something about, “Overpopulation! Pollution! War and poverty! We just HAVE TO GET OFF THIS PLANET!!”

It actually was sad.


64 posted on 07/24/2008 3:48:05 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: dragonblustar
Why do scientists believe life formed on Mars as microbes then somehow came to Earth on a meteorite and started life but yet don't believe in UFO’s?

If there are any bacteria on Mars, we put them there with our unmanned probes.
65 posted on 07/24/2008 3:49:05 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: sig226
they would be killed in flight.

Flight...Ha! You earthlings and your anachronistic ideas...

66 posted on 07/24/2008 3:49:44 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can never be obvious enough.)
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To: dragonblustar
"Why do scientists believe life formed on Mars as microbes then somehow came to Earth on a meteorite and started life but yet don't believe in UFO’s?"

I don't know of any scientists who've actually stated that this is their belief; as I understand it, it's simply been speculated upon as a possibility. See:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=did-life-come-from-anothe

As for UFOs, the reason mainstream scientists don't believe that they're of extraterrestrial origin is that when UFOs are investigated they invariably turn out to be either fakes or misinterpretations.

67 posted on 07/24/2008 3:55:39 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: DCPatriot
An alien talking to a non leader?

68 posted on 07/24/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: ZX12R
If there are any bacteria on Mars, we put them there with our unmanned probes.

Possibly. There also might be extremophile bacteria under Mars' surface such as endoliths. Until we do further research, there's no way to know one way or the other.

69 posted on 07/24/2008 3:59:23 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: rosenfan; machogirl
RV was actually part of SRI and the CIA did a little investigation, as they heard the Soviets were doing some work in this area and were making progress.

The program was around for about 20-yrs and cost about 20M (actually, that is pocket-lint for the USG).

“Ground truth” is how to measure effectiveness of the program and the viewers. That means, the tasking would come into the program, sealed and with no indication as to who was tasking or what was being asked to remote view.

The unit would then do RV and , in the early stages when RV protocols were run dogmatically and with real training, they found about an 80% hit rate.

Well, as with most things that get passed around the government and Army, they slacked off a bit and hired idiots like Ed Dames.

Soooo. . .accuracy fell off and eventually the “giggle factor” took over and it was eventually turned over to the CIA.

The CIA examined the last two years of the program and found it wanting.

Understood, as it was by that time, failing.

However, according to Dr Utts, a participant in the CIA review, if you reviewed the data in-toto, from program inception to the end, there were indications that something worked.

Full disclosure: At one time a few years ago, early 90, I was approached for the program. I listened with skeptics ear, was given “the tour” and found it interesting but was not actually convinced it was something I wanted to get into. The guys were great, Paul Smith was an exceptionally honorable man (www.rviewer.com, he has a great book that reviews the entire program, read it).

Sooo. . . .I turned them down and remained friends with a few of the “old” REAL RVr’s.

The RVr’s hold conventions (www.rvconference.org. . . I think) and while about 80% of the attendees are certifiable nut-cases, about 20% remain disciplined and are trying to figure out how it works-—when the protocols Ingo Swann established are adhered to.

Anyway, not sure I believe in it, but I won't discount it all-together.

Why?

Because I saw some stuff associated with the program that gives you pause, and the fact “they” recruited me because of my agnostic belief in the phenomena. They did not pursue hardcore skeptics, that is a given, but they also avoided the “Miss Cleo” types that were ardent believers of no skeptic mind at all.

Again, who knows the truth of it all, but the “truth is out there” and it is yet to be discovered.

70 posted on 07/24/2008 4:03:02 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: rosenfan
Until we do further research, there's no way to know one way or the other.

That would be a very interesting discovery. But we should also not lose sight of the fact that to date, no hint of life past or present has been found on Mars or anywhere else.
71 posted on 07/24/2008 4:06:05 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Hulka
Again, who knows the truth of it all, but the “truth is out there” and it is yet to be discovered.

Please see the illustration from post #55 :-)

72 posted on 07/24/2008 4:06:23 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: rosenfan

LOL. . . .good one. . . .


73 posted on 07/24/2008 4:07:38 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: rosenfan
"there isn't the slightest evidence that such a spacecraft has ever visited us"

The Fermi Paradox: The extreme age of the universe and its vast number of stars suggest that if the Earth is typical, extraterrestrial life should be common yet it is not.

Hence there is no extraterrestrial life.


74 posted on 07/24/2008 4:12:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

Slight correction: The Fermi Paradox concerns the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial civilizations, not extraterrestrial life.


75 posted on 07/24/2008 4:18:59 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: rosenfan
Thanks for the correction, and I don't feel slighted!

76 posted on 07/24/2008 4:24:31 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: rosenfan; ZX12R

......extremophile bacteria ......

A more likely possibility is an unknown life form that evolved in the isolated Martian enviroment and is dissimilar to any of our simple life forms.


77 posted on 07/24/2008 4:26:49 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Raineygoodyear
does it look like this?


78 posted on 07/24/2008 4:32:07 PM PDT by RightWingTeen (Caution: homeschooled teen with a Brain that works - LIBERALS you can't control me!!)
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To: I see my hands

Why do you draw a box around the words you write?


79 posted on 07/24/2008 4:32:28 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: bert
A more likely possibility is an unknown life form that evolved in the isolated Martian enviroment and is dissimilar to any of our simple life forms.

My money is on "Graboids".

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80 posted on 07/24/2008 4:33:14 PM PDT by ZX12R
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