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Barr: War with Iran would be a disaster
Istock Analyst/UPI ^ | 7/24/08 | staff

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:19:12 PM PDT by pissant

Bob Barr, the U.S. presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party, said the Bush administration's diplomatic engagement with Iran is "long overdue."

Iran appears to be years away from possessing nuclear weapons, giving time for diplomacy to work, Barr said in a release. He said that war with Iran would be a disaster.

"American troops in Iraq would be at risk. U.S. citizens would be targeted for terrorist acts," he said. "Tehran could retaliate against Israel. Oil shipments would be disrupted, causing energy prices to soar even higher. Allied states in the Persian Gulf would be vulnerable to attack. Chances for democratic change in Iran would be set back."

A former Republican, Barr represented Georgia in Congress from 1995 to 2003, serving on the House Judiciary Committee and was known for his commitment to civil liberties.

Barr became a critic of the Bush administration when he left Congress and endorsed the Libertarian candidate for president in 2004.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; aclu; bobbarr; bozo; foreignpolicy; iran; iraniannukes; libertarianparty; lp; sideshowbob; thirdparty
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When even Obama is more hawkish than you are Bob, it's time to give up politics and open up a bridal shop.
1 posted on 07/24/2008 12:19:12 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

This guy has gone waaaaaaaaaaay over the edge


2 posted on 07/24/2008 12:21:31 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: pissant

It’s nice when a candidate says something so clearly and concisely that I can look at it and say within a second, “Yeah, that’s why I won’t be voting for you.”

See Tag.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 12:22:23 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I've been waiting since 11/4/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: pissant

Bob Barr = Ron Paul with a funny mustache


4 posted on 07/24/2008 12:23:23 PM PDT by SolidWood (Obamarxislamism, the threat to our Republic!)
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To: pissant
I'm starting to wonder if the “Bob Barr” running for President is really Jemimah Wright impersonating Barr. This guy's liberal views are 180 degrees away from the conservative warrior Barr who spoke at freeper rallies a decade ago.
5 posted on 07/24/2008 12:23:37 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Support Operation Chaos!)
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To: pissant
Sounds like sour grapes to me.


6 posted on 07/24/2008 12:23:48 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: pissant

Barr should go into a very quiet retirement.


7 posted on 07/24/2008 12:24:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: pissant
Barr can send his new special ambassador Al Gore over there.
8 posted on 07/24/2008 12:27:47 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: pissant
When even Obama is more hawkish than you are Bob, it's time to give up politics and open up a bridal shop.... in San Francisco, catering to same sex unions. Call it Big Bob's Bridal Boutique. Maybe he can be business partners with RuPaul.
9 posted on 07/24/2008 12:28:12 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant

I’m not worried about what Iran might do by way of retaliation, but I AM worried that thanks to Clinton we may not have enough troops.


10 posted on 07/24/2008 12:28:25 PM PDT by mouse_35 (Vote Demorcrat for 2008! Lets do for Iraq what we did for Cambodia!!!)
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To: pissant

It’s a shame. This is a year in which Libertarians could really be a factor in the election. But Barr is more intent on pandering to the anarchist wing, rather than welcoming the more pragmatic libertarians that identify themselves as conservatives.


11 posted on 07/24/2008 12:30:05 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: pissant

It sure bothers me to see people I once respected melt down.

Yes, war with Iran would be a pain in the ass Bob. And a nuclear capable Iran giving nukes to terrorists wouldn’t be?

What choice do we have if Iran won’t listen to reason?

Every neighbor or Iran would be in jeopardy. No Middle-East states are going to want a nuclear Iran in the neighborhood.

And if folks like Barr and Obama think Israel is the only nation that’s nervous about it, they’re not using their heads.


12 posted on 07/24/2008 12:30:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Oh my coolaide has a fist name, it's B A R A K, my coolaide has a second name it's J U A N Y...)
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To: pissant
A disaster for Iran! I wonder how Shia Persians feel about the only place where Shia can vote for their own leaders is a place under U.S. “occupation”. By in large young Persians LOVE the USA and hate the mullahs.
13 posted on 07/24/2008 12:31:05 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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“. U.S. citizens would be targeted for terrorist acts,”

Yeah it’s not like US citizens were targeted before 911 or anything. What a dope.


14 posted on 07/24/2008 12:31:28 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: pissant

And his answer is to go over there and kiss their boots?


15 posted on 07/24/2008 12:33:37 PM PDT by RC2
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To: pissant

A word hasn’t been invented to describe how bad a Bob Barr presidency would be, so at the end of the day I’ll pretend this insignicant person didn’t say anything at all.


16 posted on 07/24/2008 12:34:12 PM PDT by libs_kma (NOBAMA. Keep the change)
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To: pissant

Bob, how precisely do you have normal, productive, meaningful diplomatic engagement over the long term with people who think it’s okay to kidnap your diplomats?


17 posted on 07/24/2008 12:35:23 PM PDT by RichInOC (Iran War 2008. Better Late Than Never.)
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To: SolidWood

Barr isn’t much like Paul.


18 posted on 07/24/2008 12:35:23 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: pissant

No question it would be tough. Oil would go through the roof and Americans would have to sacrifice, but it’s necessary. We sacrificed before in WWII, and we can do it again. But no rationing this time, let the market decide.


19 posted on 07/24/2008 12:35:48 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: pissant
War with Iran would be a disaster

By definition, war is always a disaster.

Whether or not a war is justified lies in imagining the world if the war does not take place.

WWII was a disaster. Fifty million people died! But it was far less a disaster than a global Nazi regime would have likely been.

20 posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:21 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: libs_kma
A word hasn't been invented to describe how bad a Bob Barr presidency would be

Carterial. kar teer eel
Adj.
Resembling or mirroring the presidency of a certain peanut farmer.

21 posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant
war with Iran would be a disaster.

It would be tough. Its something you do when the alternative is worse.

American troops in Iraq would be at risk.

Iran is already attacking Americans in Iraq. Talk to the soldiers there.

U.S. citizens would be targeted for terrorist acts

I think we are there now.

"Tehran could retaliate against Israel.

They've threatened annihilation several times over the last few years. Not once, several times. Their belief is that Iran can survive nuclear war and Israel can't. So they are looking forward to it.

Oil shipments would be disrupted, causing energy prices to soar even higher.

Iran attempted that before, and failed. They could try it again and fail again.

Allied states in the Persian Gulf would be vulnerable to attack.

They are right now and they know it. Talk to them. Don't take my word for it.

Iran appears to be years away from possessing nuclear weapons

How many years? And when they finally get them, what will be your policy toward them? I think once they get them, your policy will be the same as it is now. Appeasement. Right now you want to appease them because they don't have a nuclear weapon. Later you will appease them because they do. The common thread in your policy is appeasement. You aren't the Bob Barr I once thought you were.

22 posted on 07/24/2008 12:39:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: mnehrling

I’m sure that Bob Barr was jealousy from all the attention that Ron Paul got from the star trek and taco bell gang, so Barr is trying to catch the same wave. Since he already works for the ACLU, why not try and get the kook base from Ron Paul, generate some web interest, and get the donation pool going again since Ron Paul 08’ is pretty much stale bong water?


23 posted on 07/24/2008 12:40:15 PM PDT by lormand (Don't vote democRAT, from either party.)
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To: mysterio
Barr isn’t much like Paul.

Funny, Paul disagrees with you.

Bob Barr also disagrees with you

24 posted on 07/24/2008 12:40:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant

I think that the biggest blunder of the Iraq war is that it is a war in Iraq and not against the real enemy. I think Bush missed an enormous opportunity to deal with our enemies in the region in one campaign. Instead we are now left with having to deal with Iran in far worse circumstances with far heavier consequences. Too bad.


25 posted on 07/24/2008 12:45:50 PM PDT by scory
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To: mnehrling
Paul voted against the "patriot" act, Barr for. Barr has the voting history of a statist, Paul does not. Barr was a big time war on some drugs proponent, Paul was not.

Like I said, big differences.
26 posted on 07/24/2008 12:45:55 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

But now Barr agrees with Paul on all those things.


27 posted on 07/24/2008 12:47:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: lormand

You have insulted us star trek and taco bell fans..
GO TO YOUR ROOM...


28 posted on 07/24/2008 12:50:20 PM PDT by Robbin
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To: pissant
Yes!war with Iran could be a disaster.But an Iran allowed to possess Nuclear weapons would be an even bigger disaster because she will give them to her terrorist friends and they will use them against Israel and the United States.

Her government has been calling for the death of Israel and the United States for the last 30 years.

Its time we start to believe what they are telling us before its too late.

29 posted on 07/24/2008 12:55:54 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: lormand

He is also in favor of amnesty.


30 posted on 07/24/2008 12:57:04 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: mnehrling

I don’t believe that he does. If I rob your house each time you leave the door unlocked and then ask you to support my candidacy on a platform of putting all burglars in jail for life, do you believe me?


31 posted on 07/24/2008 1:00:57 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mnehrling; mysterio
You are wrong about Barr being like Paul.

Barr has a mustache and has never performed OBGYN exams.

Git your facts straight son.

32 posted on 07/24/2008 1:03:23 PM PDT by lormand (Don't vote democRAT, from either party.)
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To: pissant

..............................Oil shipments would be disrupted, causing energy prices to soar even higher...........

An even better idea as to why to:

DRILL HERE

DRILL NOW

DRILL DEEP

In a coupl’a years we can tell the ragheads, and Chavez:

“Go screw, We don’t need your stinkin oil!”


33 posted on 07/24/2008 1:04:23 PM PDT by aShepard (Loose lips Sink ships)
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To: pissant

“the Bush administration’s diplomatic engagement with Iran “

“Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Nice doggie’ whilst you find a rock.”
-———Attributed to Talleyrand


34 posted on 07/24/2008 1:06:28 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: pissant

Nah. It would be a cakewalk. Just like Iraq.


35 posted on 07/24/2008 1:06:28 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: dead
By definition, war is always a disaster. Whether or not a war is justified lies in imagining the world if the war does not take place. WWII was a disaster. Fifty million people died! But it was far less a disaster than a global Nazi regime would have likely been.

That's the best post I've seen for a looong time.

36 posted on 07/24/2008 1:06:49 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: pissant

Evaporating Israel, on the other hand.... no problemo.


37 posted on 07/24/2008 1:07:32 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ex-snook

We toppled the Baathist regime in three weeks. It was a cakewalk.


38 posted on 07/24/2008 1:07:59 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: scory
I think that the biggest blunder of the Iraq war is that it is a war in Iraq and not against the real enemy.

So, you would've attacked Iran -- instead of Afghanistan and Iraq -- post-9/11?

On what basis?

And have you perchance noticed which countries abut Iran on either side?

In addition, how many thousands of Islamofascists have been slaughtered in Iraq? Were they the "real enemy"? And where would you have chosen for a killing ground?

39 posted on 07/24/2008 1:14:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: mouse_35
...but I AM worried that thanks to Clinton we may not have enough troops.

I will point out that it's been 8 years and the current administration has done nothing to rectify that.

40 posted on 07/24/2008 1:16:09 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant

he’s either got a dead girl or a live boy in his FBI files.


41 posted on 07/24/2008 1:17:00 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: DoughtyOne
No Middle-East states are going to want a nuclear Iran in the neighborhood.

Then why not let them do something about it for a change?

Why must it always be our blood and treasure that must be spilt?

42 posted on 07/24/2008 1:19:36 PM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: ksen

Do you want a major army to be created in the Middle-East that could go up against Iran? I don’t. I want Iraq able to defend itself. Other than that, I’m not a big fan of Middle-East power.


43 posted on 07/24/2008 1:30:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Oh my coolaide has a fist name, it's B A R A K, my coolaide has a second name it's J U A N Y...)
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But now Barr agrees with Paul on all those things.

Bob Barr is full of $hit. He's just saying that.

44 posted on 07/24/2008 1:31:07 PM PDT by jmc813 (Scattered, smothered, covered, diced, chunked)
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To: ksen

Because like it or not, right now, about a third of our energy comes from the Middle East and it is in our interest to at least attempt to keep things stable.


45 posted on 07/24/2008 1:33:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: DoughtyOne
Do you want a major army to be created in the Middle-East that could go up against Iran? I don’t. I want Iraq able to defend itself. Other than that, I’m not a big fan of Middle-East power.

What I want is for their countries to start paying for their own defense. If they can't defend themselves against Iran too bad.

Maybe we cut a deal with Iran saying that as long as you leave Israel alone and keep the oil flowing you go ahead and do whatever you want in the Middle East.

46 posted on 07/24/2008 1:49:07 PM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: mnehrling
Because like it or not, right now, about a third of our energy comes from the Middle East and it is in our interest to at least attempt to keep things stable.

Yep, we're doing a bangup job of keeping the Middle East stable.

47 posted on 07/24/2008 1:50:28 PM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: ksen
Yep, we're doing a bangup job of keeping the Middle East stable.

Compared to how it could be, yep. Oil is still flowing, other than Israel, country's border lines haven't changed a whole lot in the past fifty years, none of the wars have escalated into an all out regional war, some nations like the UAE and Qatar are very US friendly. So yea, it isn't perfect, but it could be a lot worse.

48 posted on 07/24/2008 1:55:15 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: pissant
Now that's really good. Really:)
49 posted on 07/24/2008 2:04:25 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: mysterio
>> Paul voted against the "patriot" act, Barr for. Barr has the voting history of a statist, Paul does not. Barr was a big time war on some drugs proponent, Paul was not. Like I said, big differences. <<

True, back when Bob Barr was in office, his voting record was quite different from Paul's. Barr was not a libertarian back then.

However, since being defeated, Barr has official lost his mind and drunk the LP kool-aid. He has "adjusted" his views (after vowing he would not) and now agrees with Ron Paul. He has disavowed all his earlier conservative votes on marriage protection, war on drugs, war on terror, etc.)

50 posted on 07/24/2008 2:07:31 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Support Operation Chaos!)
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