China Shuts Down 41 Illegal Mosques In Xinjiang Province

The Times of India ^ | 11July08 | Saibal Dasgupta,TNN

[bayouranger]

BEIJING: Chinese authorities have replaced top police and security officials in the Muslim dominated Xinjiang province, which is the hotbed of separatism and political violence. They have also closed down 41 "illegal" places of worship.

These places of worship were used as training ground for conducting a "holy war", Chen Zhuangwei Chen, the police chief of Urumqi, capital of the Xinjiang province, said.

[bayouranger]

Follow these links:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Terror_threat_to_Games_China_shuts_mosques/articleshow/3220173.cms

http://www.longwarjournal.org/

We should follow their lead if we plan on winning this war.

[bayouranger]

BUMP!

[KevinDavis]

Not gonna happen.. We do have this freedom of religion thingy... Plus we should not be like China..

[ought-six]

Terrorism against American citizens is often fomented and planned in mosques; they are breeding grounds of hatred and terror. That’s just simply a fact.

[doodad]

I wonder how long before rage boy marches on Beijing?

[KevinDavis]

Well until the law enforcement has the proof fine.. But just to shut down all mosques... It is not gonna happen..

[dfwgator]

If Rage Boy tried that, he’d find himself under tank tracks before he could say, “Allahu Akbar.”

[mad puppy]

Obviously China would not be included in a list of countries I would want to live in. Visit? Yes. Live there? No.

However, when it comes to dealing with REAL threats, such as the one posed by Islam, they kick a$$ and make no apologies for it. This trait is one I really wish ‘W’ would have emulated domestically. Some day in the not too distant future the US will either declare Islam a non-religion and shut it down, or the US will learn to bow toward Mecca 5/day after some clown yodels into a microphone.

[sarasota]

It’s important to note that the headline includes “Terror Threat To Games” which precedes the rest of the headline.

[Lokibob]

Not gonna happen..

 

We do have this freedom of religion thingy...

That darn Constitution, gets in the way of all the fun things. /sarcasm off

 

Plus we should not be like China..

Not sure we should condemn them just because they are "CHINA".  Condemn most of the government "China" things, but really not the people. 

You will note that they arrested corrupt police and public officials in this article.  That is a good thing we need to look at.

 

.....Bob

[bayouranger]

Spot on Bob.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"We do have this freedom of religion thingy..."

This is true. However there are limitations on freedom of speech (e.g, libel), therefore there can be limits on religion. For example, if I decided to create a religion today and under the tenets of my new religion I decide that a weekly human sacrifice must done every week and I alone must select anyone at random and stab them through the heart after I dance a little jig. Would I be allowed to exercise that right freely under the 1st Amendment? Of course not.

While we cannot define what the elements of a religion should be, we can define what they should not be. Let's say that we clarify under a Constitutional Amendment that a religion cannot violate the civil rights of people who do not share the beliefs of that religion. So if any religion *cough*Islam*cough* says that you as a follower of the religion you must kill nonbelievers, that religion is not recognized as one under U.S. law (and therefore not afforded any special privileges such as tax-free status).

Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea?

[blam]

If they killed all the Muslims, I wouldn’t care.

[cla62]

One thing a government like Chinas will control is out of control radical idiots like these muslims. They’ll just blow the f@@@@@ mosques up. They can give a crap about religious freedom. Have to admit, it’s one way to control the mice isn’t it? The muslims can’t play their pathetic religious card over in China. LOL
Strange way of achieving your goal, but heh, I kind of like it in this case!!

[Dutch Boy]

Freedom of religion is one thing but terrorist training camps are another. If a mosque is converting peaceful people into radicals it is no longer a place of worship.

I am torn between liking radicals getting stepped on and hating a brutal government.

[OldNavyVet]

Let's say that we clarify under a Constitutional Amendment that a religion cannot violate the civil rights of people who do not share the beliefs of that religion.

Your's is a GREAT idea. All we need now is a thorough debate on how to word it.

[Citizen Blade]

These places of worship were used as training ground for conducting a "holy war", Chen Zhuangwei Chen, the police chief of Urumqi, capital of the Xinjiang province, said.

Maybe they were. But I'm not going to take the word of a Communist party functionary on this.

[isrul]

Islam is not a religion. It's a racist, murderous ideology masquerading as a religion. Has been since its birth.

[ought-six]

“.. But just to shut down all mosques... It is not gonna happen..”

And nowhere in my post did I suggest such a thing. (Though, in all candor, I’d be thrilled if every mosque in the US just simply disappeared.)

[isrul]

I would prefer they be de programmed. But I agree about not really caring.

[Lokibob]

Let's say that we clarify under a Constitutional Amendment that a religion cannot violate the civil rights of people who do not share the beliefs of that religion.

 

I certainly agree that any religon that trains terrorists should be dealt with, but, for example:

 

What would you do with the Westlake Baptist Church, that violate the rights of grieving family members of soldiers?

 

Or the FLDS?

 

Would the Waco burning be declared policy?

 

I could even see it taken to a ridiculous extreme, where a military chapel could be declared a terrorist training camp.

 

It is a fine line you are walking.

 

....Bob

 

 

[eastforker]

We do have this freedom of religion thingy..........................Yes we do...........unless it conflicts with local or federal government..............Koresh, FLDS leaders and others may not agree with you.

[doodad]

If Rage Boy tried that, he’d find himself under tank tracks before he could say, “Allahu Akbar.”

The Rachel Corrie Brigade of Jihad

[Dick Bachert]

No, we should be like Tehran — and, thanks to political correctness, soon will be.

Political Correctness:
”A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority,
and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

[jmc813]

I am so sick of the yahoos who are so reflexively anti-Islam that they cheer on the freaking ChiComs.

[warsaw44]

A point worth debating however there would be one immediate problem if implemented: homosexual lawsuits against any Christian church. The Catholic church in Massachusetts is already preparing for the eventual lawsuit from gays in regard to marriage.

[Convert from ECUSA]

I double-triple-dog are all the howling raging mohammedaniacs to protest, riot, burn Chinese embassies, etc., etc., etc. I quadruple dog dare them to do exactly to the Chinese what they’ve done for years to Israel and the USA. I quintuple dog dare them. ‘Cause unlike the West, the PRC doesn’t give a hoot about political correctness and would come down on them like stink on yesterdays’ fish sauce and commence to hurt ‘em real bad.

[Carry_Okie]

We do have this freedom of religion thingy...

Oh, I see. Do you really think that if an Islamic majority ever came to power in this country that they would respect religious freedom? Really?

The Constitution is a social contract Islam has no intention of respecting. Therefore their participation in that contract is void.

[BooksForTheRight.com]

China has been around a long time. China is not going to give up its identity any time soon. Those who enter the country with the intention of destroying it can leave.
I don’t agree with China on many issues, but here I’m glad they are showing something which is severely lacking in this country’s government.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"A point worth debating however there would be one immediate problem if implemented: homosexual lawsuits against any Christian church. The Catholic church in Massachusetts is already preparing for the eventual lawsuit from gays in regard to marriage."

Excellent example however just because the Bible forbids homosexuality, we as Christians are not called upon by God's word to force homosexuals into compliance with it or to slaughter them if they do not comply. Their civil rights are not being violated just because the Bible says "no to crack."

God has given us free will; Islam is a forced religion with consequences written in the Koran for those who refuse to submit. And when the followers carry out those written orders and start slicing the throats of "infidels" then they have violated the civil rights of those murdered in the name of Islam.

[Hardastarboard]

under a Constitutional Amendment that a religion cannot violate the civil rights of people who do not share the beliefs of that religion

Then liberals will decide that the homos have special rights. Boom! There goes every Christian church in America.

[FortWorthPatriot]

Thank you for your service, sir!

[sport]

Or an AK Round in the head. The Chinese know how to treat them. The United States doesn’t and will pay in blood for its ignorance or stupidity.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"Then liberals will decide that the homos have special rights."

They will certainly try but it doesn't mean it will happen. I don't give them too much credit.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"I certainly agree that any religon that trains terrorists should be dealt with, but, for example:

What would you do with the Westlake Baptist Church, that violate the rights of grieving family members of soldiers?"

Not trying to be confrontational, but how exactly is Westboro violating the family's civil rights? Are the family's lives being threatened? Are the family's liberties being impeded in any way? Not that I have recalled (and I may easily be wrong). Basically these idiots just stand on the side of the road and act like, well... idiots. Other than that I don't think they have violated anyone's civil rights.

"Or the FLDS?"

During the 46 years I've been on this earth I've not ever had a Mormon try to kill me because I did not agree with what they preach and teach. Yes, they knock on my door and try to convert me and that is a nuisance but I hardly think my rights are being violated.

"Would the Waco burning be declared policy?"

Only in the eyes of the Clinton administration.

"I could even see it taken to a ridiculous extreme, where a military chapel could be declared a terrorist training camp."

I understand what you are saying and I think that it is good that these points are brought up so that they can be discussed.

[warsaw44]

Certainly I agree with you in regard to Christianity. The idea of forcing people to believe as we do is an abomination.
My only point was that any amendment that states a religion needs to consider everyones civil rights in order to operate would greatly harm true Christian Churches.
Now that homosexuals of every stripe have been given the green light to consider themselves a legitimate “ minority group “ on par with blacks, asians etc. they'd have legal recourse to sue any church which did not allow them to marry. The homosexuals in Massachusetts are just looking for an excuse to go after the Catholic church to allow them to marry inside the church. Just recently in Massachusetts the legislature killed off a 1913 law which would have prohibited gays from other states to marry here. Now, any gay couple in America who wants to get married can do so.
The official position of the Catholic church is that such filth will never be allowed. But if given the opportunity with a constitionional amendment gays will try to force this on all Christian Churches.
All this being said - I really have to admire the Chinese for doing what needed to be done.

[Lokibob]

RE: Westboro Granted they are not violating CIVIL rights but I would that the right to grieve is as much as a civil right (if not more) than their right to protest. They are idiots, have you ever watched interviews with them? RE:FLDS They do not go door to door. The FLDS is the sect that keeps people in their cult via mental pressure, kicks the young boys out, so the old farts can marry the young girls and do not let the young girls out of the sect (violation civil rights). Now we are taking action against them, but only because they are violating civil laws regarding polygamy. I would think a civil rights prosecution would bump right up against religious freedoms. RE:Waco Waco probably is as infamous as Tinamin square in terms of civil rights violations. Military Chapels: I was being stupid. BTW, appreciate the discussion instead of a flame war. .....Bob

[John Williams]

“Then liberals will decide that the homos have special rights. Boom! There goes every Christian church in America. “

Then liberals will turn around and decide that Muslims have special rights. The homo crowd won’t be too pleased with that decision.

[itsahoot]

Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea?

Get ready for a Libertarian $hit storm.

[itsahoot]

It is a fine line you are walking.

The line gets really fine under Sharia Law, willing to go there? Apparently England is inching toward that already.

[CRBDeuce]

Yep...Islam is a religion like Scientology is a religion...you have your cult leader and cult followers and a wacko book, with wacko teachings and wacko schools. Pretty much sums it up.

[CRBDeuce]

the enemy of your enemy is your friend...

[CRBDeuce]

Excellent point. Unlike our multicultural mess, China is a ONE Culture (the Han) country. No other cultures need apply! That includes christians, jews, mohammedans, hindu, buddhists, shinto, etc. May have to visit just to see what a burning mosque smells like!

[CRBDeuce]

Oops....got a little carried away...Han Buddhists of course are welcome thruout China, unless you’re a Buddhist Monk from Tibet!

[kinghorse]

Ouch with the mice comment. This is a no winnah.

[kinghorse]

and it’s all fun and games unless you happen to be the mouse.

[Alex Murphy]

46 replies and not one person questioned the government's pre-eminent authority to declare them to be illegal at the outset.

[hsalaw]

“Illegal mosque.” I like it. Those should be shut down everywhere in the world.

[pharmamom]

I love your tagline and intend to steal it to use on my blog.

We do need to take a page from the Chinese playbook in that they take the Islamists seriously—they have no intention of allowing a slow Islamization of their culture. Meanwhile, we are smiling as they saw through our jugular.

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[FortWorthPatriot]

"BTW, appreciate the discussion instead of a flame war. .....Bob."

You bet. Good talking with you.