Got mine!
Posted on 07/09/2008 3:17:16 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
A coalition that represents fundamentalist Mormons has issued a statement objecting to the LDS Church's attempts to deny their claim to a shared Mormon heritage.
The Principle Voices Coalition, based in Salt Lake City, said that members "strenuously object to any efforts to deprive us and others of the freedom to name and describe ourselves by terms of our own choosing."
Two weeks ago, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints launched a media campaign aimed at distinguishing itself from the breakaway sects.
The church said its effort was primarily aimed at clarifying the difference between the LDS Church and the FLDS sect, necessary because of widespread coverage of Texas authorities' raid on the sect's west Texas ranch.
The LDS Church said a poll showed more than a third of those surveyed thought the sect was part of the Mormon Church based in Salt Lake City.
"It's obvious we need to do more to help people understand the enormous differences that exist between our Church, which is a global faith, and these small polygamous groups," said Quentin L. Cook, an LDS Church elder, in a statement issued June 26.
He also said that "Mormons have nothing whatsoever to do with this polygamous sect in Texas," reiterating comments made several years ago by former LDS Church president Gordon B. Hinckley that there is no such thing as fundamentalist Mormons.
But the coalition objects to any attempts to limit use of the term.
"Fundamentalist Mormons have been referred to by that name since the 1930s, often by the Church itself," the coalition said in its statement. "We are proud of our Mormon heritage. Plural marriage is only one of the tenets of our religion, the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through Joseph Smith."
The LDS Church has asked that media refer to those who follow the original beliefs set down by Joseph Smith as "polygamous sects," the group said, but "most of us are not (and do not refer to ourselves as) polygamists."
The coalition said the statement had been authorized by the Apostolic United Brethren, the Davis County Cooperative Society, The Work of Jesus Christ and numerous independent fundamentalist Mormons.
The statement was not signed by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days or several smaller groups.
The coalition said the LDS Church has experienced a similar problem with refusals of some Christian denominations to recognize Latter-day Saints as Christians.
"In many ways, we consider ourselves to be adherents to Mormonism (and Christianity) no less than were Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor," the coalition's statement said. "What distinguishes us from the modern, mainstream Church is that we have endeavored to observe the original, fundamental precepts of the restored Gospel, while the Church itself has, since the early 1900s, repudiated several of them.
Well, this is certainly interesting...!
Nuh-hunh, a bunch of Mormons on FR told me you weren't!
Hey, check this out!
Ooops...
Guess maybe the LDS should have at least kept the FLDS on the mailing list...
“FUNDAMENTALIST MORMON” IS THE CORRECT TERM CONTRARY TO LDS CHURCH CLAIMS
The Principle Voices Coalition has learned that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has sent a letter to media outlets asking that the term “fundamentalist Mormon” not be used. In the recent past, the Church has insisted that we instead be defined as “polygamous sects”, even though most of us are not (and do not refer to ourselves as) polygamists.
We strenuously object to any efforts to deprive us and others of the freedom to name and describe ourselves by terms of our own choosing. Fundamentalist Mormons have been referred to by that name since the 1930s, often by the Church itself. We are proud of our Mormon heritage. Plural marriage is only one of the tenets of our religion, the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through Joseph Smith.
Ironically, the LDS Church has been justifiably uncomfortable with repeated assertions by members of some Christian denominations that Latter-day Saints are not Christians. In many ways, we consider ourselves to be adherents to Mormonism (and Christianity) no less than were Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor. What distinguishes us from the modern, mainstream Church is that we have endeavored to observe the original, fundamental precepts of the restored Gospel, while the Church itself has, since the early 1900s, repudiated several of them.
The LDS church with HQ in SLC is the apostate church that Joseph Smith warned of. The fundamentalists are actually practicing what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught.
This calls for caramel popcorn.... :p
They are the ones sticking by Smith’s original teachings. They didn’t change their views on plural marriage or blacks when it became politically convenient to do so.
Popcorn ping
Which is the exact reason I don't believe Mormon prophets speak for God and that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
Ironic?
OK then, I guess it should be "plural marrige sects" instead of "polygamous sects". Big whoop!
Got mine!
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Here...or in heaven?
Or is there a difference?
You are totally allowed to believe what you will, it’s a free country.
I’m grateful to Joseph Smith and I believe he was a prophet of God. The LDS church answered many questions that I had, that no other church or organization was able to do. I believe the people living today, are loved by Heavenly Father as much as any other people who ever lived. I believe He cares for us, and loves us, and He reveals truth today. I’m grateful that Heavenly Father protects and guides us.
I believe God has revealed truth in the past, does so now, and will continue to do so into the future.
With Regards,
Yellow Roses
Same same same.
Big bucket ‘o popcorn ping at that...
Big bucket ‘o popcorn ping at that...
I, too, feel the same way. Thank you for your post, Yellow Roses!
I thought the LDS still believed in polygamous sex, but they’re saving it for later..............
Unfortunately, you have believed a lie from a counterfeit organization.
Just like “Catholics for Free Choice” are Catholic.
Don’t piss on your neighbors.
Joseph Smith was a Fundamentalist LDS
Oh man, this is toooo rich!
Make that buttered popcorn with extra butter. I liked this:
FLDS Mary Batchelor: “We have a lot of the same values, we may not have millions of members, so we don’t have the same reach, but we are not that different.”
Ironic it is, but another “onic” came to mind first...
(Great home page! ;>)
I’m grateful to Joseph Smith
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For what ???
For having courage to speak, when lots of others tarred and feathered him, sent him to court over 70 times (he was aquitted on all counts), and they caused the death of his children. He refused to back down to their mob rule, and remained faithful to his testimony that there is a living God, and His son Jesus Christ, two separate personages. Joseph paid for his testimony with his own blood... He had courage to stand up to evil, and refused to be dismayed.
I’m grateful for his faithful work. And I’m grateful he didn’t shrink from the work our Father in Heaven gave him to do.
Regards,
Yellow Roses
Unfortunately, you have believed a lie from a counterfeit organization.
It really is ok for you to label my bliefs what ever you want....
Regards,
Yellow Roses
they caused the death of his children
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Which children ???
Names, ages, occurances please ...
and remained faithful to his testimony that there is a living God, and His son Jesus Christ, two separate personages. Joseph paid for his testimony with his own blood...
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... Nol...
Smith had a shoot out at the jail where he was imprisoned for crimes he had committed...
He didnt die because of his beliefs..
Hate to break it to you, but Joe Smith was nothing more than a very disturbed individual, con man, and megalomaniac, who had a "zipper problem" (33 wives, at least!) and delusions of grandeur. He invented the Mormon "religion" to indulge himself, and killed two men during a botched jailbreak attempt in Carthage, Missouri before he was killed himself.
BTW, Smith was in jail because he had ordered his Mormon enforcers to trash the Nauvoo Expositor press after editor William Law published an expose on Smith after Smith had tried to talk Law's wife into a polyandrous relationship.
For having courage to speak
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Joseph Smith was a coward..
when lots of others tarred and feathered him
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Joseph Smith was tarred and feathered for raping Nancy Johnson...
In fact Dr Bennett was going to castrate him..
sent him to court over 70 times (he was aquitted on all counts),
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70 times, eh ???
Please list them all...
Joseph Smith committed a lot of crimes...
And he was not “aquitted” every time.....
The first time in 1826..he took off...”leg bail”
Other times he spent some time in jail..
or never had a trial..
Remember the guy who told Osama bin Laden to kiss his Royal Irish A$$ . . . he's from Rockaway.
Remember the three firefighters who raised the flag at Ground Zero in that famous picture . . . one of them is from Rockaway too.
I hope you viewed the video.
He had courage to stand up to evil
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Joseph Smith was a coward and never stood up to evil...
He started evil himself..
Others objected to the evil that Joseph Smith committed...
Among them his extremely wronged wife, Emma Hale Smith...
He was evil and a liaring false prophet..
He refused to back down to their mob rule
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Joseph Smith refused to live decently among Christian men...
And he denounced decent people who lived monogomous marriages as “evil”
How sick and unrighteous he was..
he didn’t shrink from the work our Father in Heaven gave him to do.
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The God in the Bible never called Joseph Smith to do the work of evil that he committed...
Dont lay such a charge at the feet of the God of Righteousness...
remained faithful to his testimony that there is a living God, and His son Jesus Christ, two separate personages.
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Joseph Smith was quite the fairy tale story teller...
But there is not “TWO PERSONAGES”...
There is ONE God...
The Holy THREE IN ONE...
The TRINITY...
refused to be dismayed.
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Claiming that if he didnt get to have sex with a young girl an angel would kill him with a sword is hardly the words of a happy, faithfulled man...
Joseph Smith claimed he was superior to Jesus Christ:
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408, 409).
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Some of Joseph Smith’s Failed Prophesies:
On Feb. 14, 1835 Joseph Smith said, “... go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the lord, which was nigh even fifty-six years should wind up the scene” (History of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 182).
“On the 14th of Feb. 1835, Joseph Smith said that God had revealed to him that the coming of Christ would be within 56 years, which added to 1835 shows that before 1891 and the 14th of Feb. the Savior of the world would make his appearance again upon the earth and the winding up scene take place” (Journal of Oliver Boardman Huntington, Vol. 2, pp. 128,129).
Joseph Smith said the moon’s inhabitants were of uniform height (about 6 ft. tall), dressed like Quakers and lived nearly 1,000 years (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. 3, p. 166 of typed copy at Utah State Historical Society and The Young Woman’s Journal, pub. by the Young Ladies’ Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion, 1892, Vol. 3, pp. 263,264.)
On April 17, 1838, Joseph Smith prophesied that David W. Patten would perform a mission for him the next Spring. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1). David Patten died before Spring came. (History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 171, 10-25-38.)
“And thus prophesied Joseph, saying: Behold, that seer will the Lord bless; and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded...” (2 Nephi 3:14). Joseph Smith’s enemies were not confounded, but successful when they killed Joseph Smith on June 27, 1844 in Carthage, Illinois.
Is a prophet allowed to make false prophesies? Let’s see what the Bible says: Deuteronomy 18:19-22 (New Living Translation):
19I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. 20But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ 21You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ 22If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.
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