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Valley group suing U.S. Border Patrol over document checks in an evacuation[from S. Texas hurricane]
MySA.com ^ | 07/09/2008 | Lynn Brezosky

Posted on 07/09/2008 11:49:04 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

SAN JUAN - A group of nonprofit agencies in the Rio Grande Valley said Wednesday they were suing the U.S. Border Patrol for clear answers on whether there would be document checks of residents fleeing a hurricane.

The lawsuit, to be filed Wednesday in federal court in McAllen, claims conflicting statements by U.S. Customs and Border Protection have brought fear and confusion to a region where many families are split between unauthorized immigrants and U.S. citizens or legal residents.

Those families have said they would not evacuate if there were reason to fear deportation as they board buses or pass immigration checkpoints north of the Valley.

There was a media storm in May after CBP agents were spotted rehearsing document checks during a mock evacuation and a spokesman said it would be “business as usual at the checkpoints.” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff later said their agents would not impede a safe evacuation, which local officials took as acknowledgement that agents would have to let up on document checks.

But the nonprofits, including churches and self-help organizations, say people are not going to risk deportation by trying to guess CBP’s plans.

“If CBP is allowed to create consternation and confusion, it could lead to catastrophic loss of life,” lawyers with Texas RioGrande Legal Aid say in the lawsuit.

Legal Aid attorney Eric Rodriguez said the Border Patrol’s ambiguity had “set in motion the waves for a perfect storm.”

lbrezosky@express-news.net


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; aliensillegals; cbp; immigrantlist
How about sending the illegals back home before the next hurricane?/naive
1 posted on 07/09/2008 11:49:06 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

Exactly. Although in fairness, in this situation, I could forgive them for bypassing document checks. If there’s a hurricane bearing down, it’s more important to just get the people the heck out of Dodge. Anything that slows that process up could cost lives.

The concept of showing proof of citizenship for various government services is one I wholeheartedly agree with. The concept of internal document checks during movement from point A to point B—”your papers, please”—doesn’t sit well with me.

}:-)4


2 posted on 07/09/2008 11:51:33 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Saul Alinsky tactics.


3 posted on 07/09/2008 11:53:41 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: CSM; RightSideNews; Grimmy; BradyLS; DeLaVerdad; YourAdHere; Be_Politically_Erect; Ultimatum; ...

Valle ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


4 posted on 07/09/2008 11:56:04 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: Steely Tom

This is just another example of our nation being nit-picked to death.


5 posted on 07/09/2008 11:56:26 AM PDT by unkus
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To: SwinneySwitch
Texas RioGrande Legal Aid should be allowed to proceed with their lawsuit... after submitting to a cavity search by the IRS to determine their true filing status.

Any discrepancies at all should send the officers immediately to the unemployment line or jail & their staffs packing back over their namesake.

6 posted on 07/09/2008 12:00:22 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SwinneySwitch
"..people are not going to risk deportation by trying to guess CBP’s plans.."

That's their perogative. Paranoia and fear is part of the price for committing crimes. It's not our government's job to allay the fears of lawbreakers.
7 posted on 07/09/2008 12:01:21 PM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Moose4

They can always evacuate to the west or south into Mexico.


8 posted on 07/09/2008 12:05:29 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch
“Those families have said they would not evacuate if there were reason to fear deportation as they board buses or pass immigration checkpoints north of the Valley.”

WHATEVER! Keep that inner tube you came in on fully inflated.

9 posted on 07/09/2008 12:09:04 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

<...many families are split between unauthorized immigrants and U.S. citizens or legal residents. Those families have said they would not evacuate if there were reason to fear deportation...>

We don’t want scofflaws in this country of ours. The breakdown of law and order always starts small. Next thing you know farmers and ranchers will begin to ignore environmental restrictions, and as for civil rights - what’s that?


10 posted on 07/09/2008 12:09:45 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: All

How about someone suing these America-hating Mex Klux Klan pressure groups? There would not be a problem if these people did not break the law in the first place


11 posted on 07/09/2008 12:20:12 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (John McCain Wants To Re-Educate...er Re-Train Me)
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To: SatinDoll
We don’t want scofflaws in this country of ours. The breakdown of law and order always starts small. Next thing you know farmers and ranchers will begin to ignore environmental restrictions, and as for civil rights - what’s that?

Civil Rights? It's for those who do not believe in our system of inalienable individual rights, as they prefer to have group rights trump individual rights.

12 posted on 07/09/2008 12:23:56 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Moose4

>>>The concept of showing proof of citizenship for various government services is one I wholeheartedly agree with. The concept of internal document checks during movement from point A to point B—”your papers, please”—doesn’t sit well with me.

I have to agree. Stopping every car and checking every person for proper identification (will all children have to carry their birth certificates with them as they evacuate to prove citizenship?) could end up costing the lives of many legal residents in an effort to catch a few illegals.


13 posted on 07/09/2008 12:58:44 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: SwinneySwitch

What a neat way to sneak in!


14 posted on 07/09/2008 1:06:24 PM PDT by devistate one four (H I V Homophobia Is Vindicated)
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To: NC28203

It’s kind of hard to have border security when you leave the highways open.


15 posted on 07/09/2008 1:32:55 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: NC28203
I have to agree. Stopping every car and checking every person for proper identification (will all children have to carry their birth certificates with them as they evacuate to prove citizenship?) could end up costing the lives of many legal residents in an effort to catch a few illegals.

Not every car is going to be stopped. Only the cars that the Border Patrol Agents suspect are carrying illegal aliens are going to be stopped.

16 posted on 07/09/2008 2:03:23 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: NC28203

They ask me if I’m a US citizen at the checkpoints. I say, “Yes, sir”, then salute when they tell me to drive on.


17 posted on 07/09/2008 3:27:51 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: devistate one four

There are always a few who try to make it through during a hurricane. Loco!


18 posted on 07/09/2008 3:38:33 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: Ajnin

>>>It’s kind of hard to have border security when you leave the highways open.

I’m not opposed to border security, I just think that choosing to enforce the law when trying to relocate hundreds of thousands of people as rapidly as possible might not be the best timing.


19 posted on 07/09/2008 7:03:24 PM PDT by nc28205
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To: Ajnin

>>>Not every car is going to be stopped. Only the cars that the Border Patrol Agents suspect are carrying illegal aliens are going to be stopped.

That may be the case but the article did not say that there would be selective enforcement. Also, in south Texas I’m guessing a very large percentage of the population (legal and illegal, citizen and alien) is of Hispanic descent. If looking selectively for illegal Hispanics, that could mean stopping a lot of cars.


20 posted on 07/09/2008 7:06:38 PM PDT by nc28205
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To: nc28205
I’m not opposed to border security, I just think that choosing to enforce the law when trying to relocate hundreds of thousands of people as rapidly as possible might not be the best timing.

How long can it take to show proof of citizenship. How many days in advance people know there is a hurricane coming> They don't sneak up on you like an earthquake for heavens sake.I live on the Texas coast and we know days in advance.

21 posted on 07/09/2008 10:06:04 PM PDT by Texas Mom (Two places you're always welcome. Church and Grandma's house.)
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To: Texas Mom

>>>How long can it take to show proof of citizenship

I would think that properly reviewing the citizenship documentation of each passenger in a vehicle would take longer than paying a toll on a turnpike, yet it is common practice for states like Florida to suspend toll collections during hurricane evacuations to speed the process.


22 posted on 07/10/2008 6:14:45 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: nc28205
If looking selectively for illegal Hispanics, that could mean stopping a lot of cars

Well if they are illegal then that's a good thing. Of course that's probably not what you meant. Not every person of Hispanic descent is stopped. Working a Border Patrol checkpoint is a big pain in the ass. No agent wants to stop somebody they don't absolutely have to.

23 posted on 07/10/2008 8:08:40 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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