Posted on 07/08/2008 2:20:39 PM PDT by Maelstorm
"Rep. Barr and the ACLU disagree on many other issues, but we have no doubt that a strange bedfellows collaboration between us will yield great things for informational and data privacy rights," said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office.
ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said that Barr's agreement to work with the ACLU "demonstrates how deeply concerns about personal privacy cut across partisan lines." He noted that the ACLU has "no permanent friendsand no permanent enemies, just permanent values."
"We look forward to working with Congressman Barr in our fight to protect data and information privacy," Romero said.
(Excerpt) Read more at aclu.org ...
Why are you posting 6-year-old news without specifying so into the headline?
11/25/2002 is specified. Barr is still consulting for the ACLU at last check. Receiving money from the devil himself must be an interesting position to be in.
The 2nd Amendment, for one. Issues don't get any bigger than that one. So why would Barr choose to jump in bed with a bunch of gun-grabbing liberal scum?
Exactly right. That was my thinking. It isn’t that the ACLU is just a little off and Barr was rushing to help correct their missteps. This is an organization that has made it a goal to eradicate every religious icon and religious expression in the public square, it has defended monsters and monstrous ideas and has at its core an what most moral people who perceive to be an evil ideology.
The values of Marx, Gramski, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Chávez, Ahmadinejad, et al -- and Obama!
No thanks !!
When it comes to the 2nd, the ACLU is kinda quiet..
That is the question he should be asked. I personally don’t care. Bob Barr will never be President not even if I wanted it . He is indeed a conservative but he has become rather peculiar over the years. I don’t know the game he is playing but if that game is going to put Barack Obama in the White House then that is a game I’m going to help rain on. Anyone who mentions Barr as a Presidential option the first thing I’m going to say “Oh I don’t know about him, he works for the ACLU “. lol
The ACLU has made their position on the 2nd Amendment quite clear.
"Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right."
The ACLU was founded specifically to defend Communists who got in trouble with U.S. authorities. They then followed the rest of the Left into Cultural Marxism—a systematic attempt to undermine traditional Western culture, aimed at ultimate victory of the Left. At the very least, Barr is being a useful idiot.
As we thought when it comes to Barr and the ACLU it’s really all about the “bedfellows” part eh!
Barr and all of his supporters are just plain nuts.....
Likely for some of the same reasons McCain has earned an F on occasion from GOA.
The McCainiacs must be getting worried. Trotting out six year old articles that pale in comparison to their candidate’s treachery over the years shows how much. I’m not planning on voting for Barr or for McCain, though Barr might actually have a chance of receiving it. McLiberal will not.
Yeah McCain the Conservative.. LOL!
I can promise you this. McCain and the ACLU have more in common than Bob Barr. Please quit with trying to pretend McCain is a conservative. He is a Sell out at best.
Ever since the Phoenicians allegedly invented money, the answer to similar questions has usually been:
Moolah, dinero, dollars. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Liars and frauds, all of them. And Barr is just as worthless as the ACLU.
Yeah McCain the Consercative. LMAO!!! Let’s examine the record. Shall we???
This is what we should reward and vote for??? Snowball chance you know where.....
1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote) See here and here
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including the Carbon Cap-and-Trade system. See Here
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Wants to moderate or soften the Pro-Life plank of the GOP Platform. See Here and Here and Here. 8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C grade from NRA.
11. 65% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on their applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.
15. Wants to implement a socialist Health Care proposal that includes providing tax-coffer monies (your tax dollars) to the states to provide Health Care Insurance for those who either refuse to pay for it, or are unable to afford it (mostly illegal aliens).
16. Divorced his wife after he got back from Vietnam. The same woman who remained true to him and raised his kids while he was imprisoned.
17. Refuses to drill in ANWR. See here and here
18. Agrees with Democrats that our Foreign Policy has been arrogant and we need to be more humble.
19. Thinks and states that Pharmaceutical companies are evil
20. Has accepted funding from Soros and Teresa Heinz-Kerry for his institute
21. John McCain’s Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts
22. “I think the Democrat Party is a fine and I have no problems with it, in their views and philosophy”
23. Strongly against Same Sex Marriage Ban Constitutional Amendment
24. Voted for Pro-Abortion Bill and Here.
25. Voted against bill that would impose sanctions against foreign governments and companies that invest more than $20 million in Iran’s energy sector until the president certified to Congress that Iran had dismantled its weapons of mass destruction Here and Here
26. Voted against repealing the death tax.
27. McCain-Edwards-Kennedy (Many Democrat inspired bad rules included in this monstrosity
Bob Barr’s nomination would offer conservatives a choice.
Neocons and statists in the Republican ranks have attacked Mr. Barr for joining Congressman Dick Armey (ACU record 97%) in working with the ACLU in defending the Fourth Amendment. Even one of the smartest and most conservative talk show hosts to grace the air waves recently made the totally ridiculous statement that Congressman Barr isn’t a “real” conservative because he has sided with the ACLU in that fight. Yet it is interesting that some, maybe even most, of those who have attacked Mr. Barr for working with the ACLU on protecting the Fourth Amendment and the rule of law had no qualms about siding with the ACLU themselves to fight the McCain-Feingold attack on free speech.
These hypocrites generally neglect to mention that Mr. Barr was not just siding with the ACLU in this effort to protect the Fourth Amendment. He was also siding with groups like the American Conservative Union, Americans for Tax Reform, the Free Congress Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation, and other solidly conservative groups. Nor do they mention that bedrock conservative groups like the Christian Coalition, the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, the National Association of Manufacturers, the Family Research Council, the Southeastern Legal Foundation, the Business-Industry Political Action Committee, the National Right to Life Committee, to name just a few, have also worked with the ACLU to protect a Constitutional right.
Of course, it’s easier to attack one man than to attack scores of groups with millions of members and the resources to counter attack. It is easy to demonize an individual true conservative, but very risky to attack groups with millions of conservative members. Attacking every conservative leader or group who ever sided with the ACLU on an issue would immediately expose these hypocrites for what they are. Some of the talk show personalities, bloggers, columnists and talking heads, who have attacked Congressman Barr as not being a conservative because he works with the ACLU defending the Fourth Amendment and the rule of law, by their own reasoning must not be “real” conservatives either, since they sided with the ACLU defending the First Amendment.
The truth of the matter is, if Bob Barr gets the Libertarian Party’s nomination, he will be the only conservative in the race. His candidacy will offer conservatives a choice of voting their convictions by voting for a man with an unblemished track record of supporting classical conservative positions, or voting for the lesser of two evils.
Barr, a former Member of Congress, has served with the U.S. Department of Justice and Central Intelligence Agency. He continues to serve on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association and works with such groups as the American Conservative Union Foundation and the ACLU on issues related to privacy and national security and also serves as the Chairman for Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances.
I am one of those “Constitutionalists.”
I do not believe in Nation Building Wars.
I am not an isolationist neither am I an interventionist in foreign affairs.
I believe the Federal governments powers are few and well defined by the U.S. Constitution and nothing in those documents allow for a Patriot Act...or the Clean Air Act or any such laws as those. I do not believe in preemptive wars based on U.N. Resolutions nor do I believe that the Just War theory emcompasses such a policy whether or not it is practiced by a Clinton or a Bush.
I wish to abolish the I.R.S. and nearly every other alphabet agency in the Fed. I believe in “The land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Not in the land of “everything changed after 911” and the Home of “pee our pants in fear at the mere mention of terrorism” that this country has become.
I believe the Church builds the moral foundation of a country not the Federal Courts. Bush was right about abortion...it will not end until peoples hearts have been changed. Failure of our Church’s to instill a collective morality on the people in no way justifies the governments efforts to do so instead. There should be a law forbidding the FEDERAL Courts from having any say in such matters...One such law was written but found no support within the GOP.
I believe a politician should obey his oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. I believe that if the Federal Court rules that gun ownership is not an individual right that 30 million gun owners should march on Washington D.C....armed.
These are only a few of the conservative principals that I believe in that have been abandoned by both political parties...
It was much to my dismay that I found that a Party that I thought held dear these same principals as I do actually do not, and in point of fact...believe me and those who believe as I do to be KOOKS.
Elect Bob Barr.
Eject the neocons.
Barr has a lifetime 98% ACU rating.
McCain’s lifetime ACU record is 82% but his 2006, the most recent year for which ratings are available, ACU record was 65%. Among Republican Senators only Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter had worse voting records.
Barr led the Clinton impeachment hearing in the House and Bob was adored at this site untill the asendency of the neo and theo conservatives who started posting here beginning around 2003.
This Statement used to adorn the home page of FR
Free Republic has sponsored several rallies at our nation’s Capitol. The first was the nationally televised “March for Justice” on October 31, 1998, where Congressman Bob Barr called for the impeachment of President William Jefferson Clinton. The enthusiastic crowd of 4,000 FReepers also enjoyed rousing speeches by Alan Keyes, Larry Klayman, Gary Aldrich and other great conservatives. The MFJ was a moving experience for all.
Congressman Barr called the FReepers back to Washington on December, 5th, 1998, for the “Judgment Day” rally, held on the Capitol steps. He and many other conservative speakers urged the Congress to vote for impeachment. According to Barr and several other Congressmen, these rallies, coupled with ads we ran in the Washington Times, and the resulting surge of grassroots activism, helped to move some of the reluctant Congressmen to vote for impeachment.
We were cosponsors with the Free Congress Foundation for the “House Managers Tribute” rally and dinner honoring the House Managers on May 4th, 1999, at the Washington Hilton and Towers. All thirteen House Managers, plus Congressman Tom DeLay and many other conservative notables attended. Henry Hyde and Steve Forbes were our keynote speakers. Alan Keyes, Larry Klayman, Congressmen Bob Barr, James Rogan and Chris Cannon and many other conservative leaders spoke at the rally.
That was then.
I now expect the new brand of (?)conservativism which posts here these days to try and trash this fine conservative man. But back then we sure appreciated his contributions to our cause.
I guarantee you all these McCain people bashing Barr thought he was the cat’s meow when he was smacking down Clinton on a daily basis. Cognitive dissonance is depressing.
Collaboration. That sure is the right way for it. As in collaborating with the Marxist insurgency. Barr is such a scumbag.
I am not a "McCain person", and I still think Barr is a vile louse for raising money for and giving cover to a Marxist front group whose stated goal is to impose Communism on America. Why did we like him when he was smacking down Clinton? Because he was slapping down Clinton! And we had no other reason to think he would lose his soul.
Although they did oppose McCain on McCain-Feingold.
Ah, the contortations of the new "progressive" brand of conservitism. I will be glad to see this "new brand" of conservative regulated to the dustbin of history after this election.
Fascist neoconservatism will be repudiated in November by all freedom loving Americans.
Precise philosophic ideas prompted certain individuals to gain influence to implement these plans. The neoconservatives—a name they gave themselves—diligently worked their way into positions of power and influence. They documented their goals, strategy and moral justification for all they hoped to accomplish. Above all else, they were not and are not conservatives dedicated to limited, constitutional government.
Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is “hard Wilsonianism.” In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.
More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss’ books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavelli’s philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss. Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.
The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.
More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:
They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.
Various organizations and publications over the last 30 years have played a significant role in the rise to power of the neoconservatives. It took plenty of money and commitment to produce the intellectual arguments needed to convince the many participants in the movement of its respectability.
It is no secret—especially after the rash of research and articles written about the neocons since our invasion of Iraq—how they gained influence and what organizations were used to promote their cause. Although for decades, they agitated for their beliefs through....
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm
So you promise you won't be joining this "if Obama wins, this country will cease to exist" nonsense choir? I'm seriously close to taking on this attitude (bad language warning).
And I suspect that when McCain gets thumped in the election and the neocons get purged from the political process, you will sound even more like this then you do now.
“Cognitive dissonance is depressing”
LOL! Well said...
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