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In-flight Torture
The Washington Times ^ | Jeffrey Denning

Posted on 07/08/2008 10:21:52 AM PDT by Tazzo

Want some torture with your peanuts? Aviation Security POSTED 2:18 PM BY P. JEFFREY BLACK & JEFFREY DENNING

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By Jeffrey Denning

Just when you thought you’ve heard it all...

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers.

This bracelet would:

• take the place of an airline boarding pass

• contain personal information about the traveler

• be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage

• shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

The Electronic ID Bracelet, as it’s referred to as, would be worn by every traveler “until they disembark the flight at their destination.” Yes, you read that correctly. Every airline passenger would be tracked by a government-funded GPS, containing personal, private and confidential information, and that it would shock the customer worse than an electronic dog collar if he/she got out of line?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; bigbrother; dhs; fascism; tsa
This is NOT satire
1 posted on 07/08/2008 10:21:52 AM PDT by Tazzo
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To: Tazzo

The Bible becomes more relevant to me every time I read the news. Craziness.


2 posted on 07/08/2008 10:23:25 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: Tazzo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2041943/posts

Want Some Torture With Your Peanuts? (Airline travel ID bracelet)
07/07/2008 10:55:14 AM PDT · by Fizzie · 121 replies · 1,891+ views
Washington Times aviation security blog ^ | July 1, 2008 | P. Jeffrey Black and Jeffrey Denning


3 posted on 07/08/2008 10:23:36 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: Tazzo

Heck, if you’re not doing anything wrong, what have you got to worry about?


4 posted on 07/08/2008 10:24:09 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Tazzo

I see a big opportunity here for general aviation.


5 posted on 07/08/2008 10:26:02 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Tazzo

Didn’t they try this on the Running Man with the neck collars:) Mick Fleetwood had a bit part with the governator.


6 posted on 07/08/2008 10:28:03 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Tazzo

I’ll take the bracelet, on both wrists and ankles, on full amperage versus some obnoxious, self-absorbed ass yacking endless inanities into their precious cellphone.


7 posted on 07/08/2008 10:31:54 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Tazzo

Imagine the litigations! An angry flight attendant having a bad day zapping a passenger. Or a drunk pilot. Etc.

What is wrong with this country?


8 posted on 07/08/2008 10:37:10 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: Tazzo

Whenever I fly US domestic airlines, I feel like I’m experiencing in-flight torture.


9 posted on 07/08/2008 10:40:38 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Wolfie

Some muslim getting ahold of the buzzer and taking control of the plane...... while being able to incapacitate everyone else


10 posted on 07/08/2008 10:43:37 AM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: Tazzo

This was done by Star Trek a long time ago...

However if we also put the Star Trek guys in charge of the recruitment and uniforming of Flight Attendants, I would be willing to consider a package deal.

I would probably get shocked a lot, though...

11 posted on 07/08/2008 10:43:57 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Tazzo
My grandmother will be flying to Massachusetts this month for my niece's wedding. Grandma is 103 years old. Can you imagine her being forced to wear one of these, let alone the possible effects if it were somehow triggered? Some might say that people that old should not fly, but it is a loss of freedom for someone whose independence is precious to her. If we had any decency it would be precious to the rest of us. At one time, we respected the very aged in this culture. Now, they are expendable in the name of bureaucratic power and so is anyone else who objects to being treated like unruly livestock. This proposal is bat-s**t crazy.
12 posted on 07/08/2008 10:46:11 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I think I saw something like this on Eureka...


13 posted on 07/08/2008 10:46:11 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Tazzo
Flight Attendent: Captain, Passenger 14321 is out of control, ZAP HIM!

Captain: Roger! 14312 is Zapped!

Passenger 14312: AAARRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

FA: Negative Capt. 14321.

Captain: Roger! 13412 is Zapped!

Passenger 13412: AAARRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

FA: That's a negative again Captain. Let's try this one more time........

14 posted on 07/08/2008 10:51:07 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: Tazzo

This is a perfect way to implement the national identification program . No card , just an electro shock device with satellite telemetry . Instant negative reinforcement when one of your fellow citizens phones in a report of your misdoings . You should have 5 days after each shock to file a written appeal .(libertarian sarcasm)


15 posted on 07/08/2008 10:51:44 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Please do not use my “nom de freep” in a derogatory way.

Bat Guano

16 posted on 07/08/2008 10:52:53 AM PDT by BatGuano
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To: kbennkc

Maybe this is why the Boulder police were keeping a database of people who were reported to have made “insensitive” remarks? (Wish I had a link)


17 posted on 07/08/2008 10:53:40 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Wolfie

In the best circumstances, someone threatens the plane and the pilot hits the “taze all” button. If you have a pregnant wife like I do, she gets tazed too and possibly loses the baby. And what about the elderly? Grandpa’s pacemaker probably won’t appreciate the undeserved jolt. So you’re going to kill some of the passangers to avert something that the passengers themselves may have been able to stop if given the chance. As someone else said, it’s also possible for a well-planned terrorist to use the device to stun the passengers and assure their success. Overall the point seems to be that they don’t trust the “unwashed masses” to stand up and defend their own lives in the event of an in-flight emergency. A gun or tazer in the hands of a pilot can be directed specifically to the real threat and is much less likely to be used by the attacker before the good guys have a chance to stop him.


18 posted on 07/08/2008 10:57:20 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: BatGuano
Will I have to answer to the Coca-Cola company if I do?
19 posted on 07/08/2008 10:57:44 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Tazzo
GAWD! I'm soooo glad I hung up my spurs and don't have to fly anymore. I spent twelve years in constant international travel status, being abused by the flight attendants of every air carrier known to man. I began one week after Lockerbie, and ended it one month after 9/11. We've gone from “Fly the friendly skies” to “Attention prisoners of war! Be happy in your work!” I threw away my B-4 and decided if I can't drive there, I'm not going.
20 posted on 07/08/2008 10:57:53 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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To: Tazzo

How many people are in an airliner at any one time? How would a device be able to indiviually identify each wearer of this bracelet?


21 posted on 07/08/2008 10:59:55 AM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: Tazzo

How many people are in an airliner at any one time? How would a device be able to individually identify each wearer of this bracelet?


22 posted on 07/08/2008 11:00:10 AM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: saminfl
"How would a device be able to individually identify each wearer of this bracelet?"

Zap them all, let Homeland Security sort them out.
23 posted on 07/08/2008 11:01:14 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Just say NO... to Hillary and O'Bama)
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To: saminfl
How would a device be able to individually identify each wearer of this bracelet?

"Good morning Mr. Traveler. Your seat assignment is 28C. Here is your assigned bracelet. Please enjoy your ride in our pressurized metal/carbon composite tube."

24 posted on 07/08/2008 11:04:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Tazzo

“Thank you for Frying with United!”


25 posted on 07/08/2008 11:09:45 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Tazzo

This bizarre idea has no prayer of ever being approved by any bureaucrat or voted for by politician who hopes to keep his/her job. It does tell us that the bureaucrats at the DHS are growing increasingly out of touch with reality.


26 posted on 07/08/2008 11:10:30 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Tazzo

Paul S. Ruwaldt
Project / Program Lead
Department of Homeland Security,
Science and Technology Directorate,
Office of Research and Development,
Protection Branch
William J. Hughes Technical Center
Atlantic City International Airport, NJ 08405
Telephone # - 609 -813-2725
E-mail - paul.s.ruwaldt@faa.gov
paul.ruwaldt@dhs.gov

paul.s.ruwaldt@tc.faa.gov
(609) 364-0112


27 posted on 07/08/2008 11:12:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Tazzo

Stand up in your seat to go to the can when the light is off, and you get tazed. Stand up to stop a terrorist from storming into the cabin and you get shocked.
There is too much power in the government’s hands already. The person who proposed this should be forced to watch Rosie O’Donnel shows for 5 days continuously.


28 posted on 07/08/2008 11:17:03 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: kbennkc

Actually, “Sneek and No-Squeek” orders would be best. The agent who designates you for torture would be able to write his own order, and no one would be allowed to tell you or anyone else that you were selected for “redirection.” Until cleared by the Court, you would be required to keep the action secret, also, even when asked.
http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/37patriot.html


29 posted on 07/08/2008 11:27:22 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Tazzo

If this were to happen, every airline in the country would be gone in a week. The only thing left would be air freight.


30 posted on 07/08/2008 11:27:35 AM PDT by scooter2 (The greatest threat to the security of the United States is the Democratic Party.)
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To: Tazzo

Notice how it’s named: “Electronic ID Bracelet”. Sounds harmless.
Judging from the sometimes fatal tazings of citizens by police, and the refusal of police to take responsiblity for the murder, it’s a good bet that the government will not take responsibility for the murder of elderly passengers or pacemaker-wearers who are killed by this device.

Grandma and grandpa electrocuted by the government, to cover up the fact that the government refuses to do what it needs to do to keep passengers safe.


31 posted on 07/08/2008 11:29:49 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Very good! Thanks for the link too. One of the greatest movies. I flew B-52s 1963-1967 and have a tender spot for “DR”. Just might watch it now that the thunderstorms are overhead here in Florida.

Do you remember GA Gov. Lester Maddox using the term “long-haired, hippie PREverts”? He must have stolen it from that scene.

I won't tell Coca Cola.

Regards,

32 posted on 07/08/2008 11:41:14 AM PDT by BatGuano
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To: PowderMonkey
I'm right there with you.

I don't fly anymore. Too much silly stuff going on, way too many junior totalitarians, and rules that make a sane man's BS meter go off all the time.

I remember flying when it was fun and an adventure. I doubt if it will ever be that way again. If I cannot drive there, or get on a ship to get there, I don't need to go.

33 posted on 07/08/2008 11:41:37 AM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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To: Tazzo

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device

I like this idea, but not for paying airline passengers

I would be GREAT for taxpayer funded employees

congress-critters and senators would be subject to public approval votes after each legislative days “work”

some type of national telecast with shock/no shock phone numbers


34 posted on 07/08/2008 11:43:35 AM PDT by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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>> • be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage << Finally some use for my tinfoil hat.
35 posted on 07/08/2008 12:03:34 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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LOL! That’s a great way to put the airlines out of business! LOL!


36 posted on 07/08/2008 12:09:02 PM PDT by TheDon
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This is a device just made for a malfunction. I can imagine someone hacking into the operating system and putting the entire flight into stun.

I can see the stun function being used for trivial matters: “Sir, you have been in the bathroom too long. Will you come out now! Stun! I said come out now!”


37 posted on 07/08/2008 12:30:31 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Tazzo

This is the sort of tyranny that our forefathers fought against.


38 posted on 07/08/2008 12:33:34 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Tazzo
shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

Somebody explain to me why I can't use my cell phone on the plane because it might interfere with the navigation, but having 150 radio devices attached to the passengers waiting for a transmitter to activate them is okay with the navigation system?

-PJ

39 posted on 07/08/2008 12:53:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Wolfie
Heck, if you’re not doing anything wrong, what have you got to worry about?

1)that it functions properly, and

2) that the flight staff functions properly (i.e., isn't having a bad day and getting too free with the shock button, say after you've protested spending 4 hours on the runway without a bathroom break or drink).

40 posted on 07/08/2008 5:14:20 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Wolfie

I guess you forgot the sacrcasm tag.


41 posted on 07/09/2008 3:34:45 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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