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Seattle to proposed Styrofoam ban and 20-cent fee for paper or plastic bags
Seattle Times ^ | 7-8-08 | Sharon Pian Chan

Posted on 07/08/2008 5:55:53 AM PDT by NavyCanDo

Yoko Wang, owner of Toshio's Teriyaki in Rainier Valley, is not too worried about a possible ban on Styrofoam clamshells in Seattle. She's confident that biodegradable containers to keep her broiled, boneless chicken hot will be available by the time the city mandates the switch — in July 2010.

She was shocked, however, to hear the ban would extend to plastics, right down to each chili-sauce container and fork.

"Everybody is going to have to use chopsticks," Wang said after her Monday lunch rush. "I can give lessons."

Today, the City Council will hold a public hearing on Mayor Greg Nickels' proposal to ban foam at restaurants and grocery stores, and impose a 20-cent fee for each disposable paper and plastic bag used in the checkout line at all grocery, convenience and drugstores. Both are likely to gain council approval.

Even if it's costly, Nickels says shoppers, consumers and businesses need to do right by the environment.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agw; environment; govwatch; greens; plastics; seattle; taxes
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1 posted on 07/08/2008 5:55:53 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

A ban on paper or plastic bags?? I’m in trouble. I use both. I’m bi-sackual but it’s not my fault, I was born that way.


2 posted on 07/08/2008 6:02:08 AM PDT by BipolarBob (My eco-electric car is backed up by Soylent Green.)
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To: NavyCanDo
The foam popcorn that catalogue companies pack cartons with should have been banned years ago. The most aggravating stuff in the world.

Leni

3 posted on 07/08/2008 6:05:31 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginzburgization)
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To: BipolarBob

Yuck. How will they bring those leaky packages of chicken home with no plastic bags? Will they throw loose grapes into their politically correct re-usable bags?


4 posted on 07/08/2008 6:05:36 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: NavyCanDo
And what about Styrofoam’s cousin the rice cake?
5 posted on 07/08/2008 6:06:01 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Just a typical white guy: clinging to my guns, my religion, and my antipathy...)
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To: MinuteGal

I agree. Last week one of my neighbors put an open box full of that stuff out on a windy trash day. I’m still picking it out of my yard. You’d think they’d have a clue.


6 posted on 07/08/2008 6:07:00 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: BipolarBob

No, read again, its a 20-cent fee for paper or plastic bags. Its Styrofoam that will be banned all together.


7 posted on 07/08/2008 6:07:17 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

“Even if it’s costly, Nickels says shoppers, consumers and businesses need to do right by the environment.”....

I would not mind paying 20 cents for a plastic bag to put around Nickels head.....


8 posted on 07/08/2008 6:10:03 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NavyCanDo
The price of the chicken teriyaki, according to the sign on the wall, is $5.71.

That's weird pricing. Aside from that, does that mean that plastic forks and spoons will also be banned? How will people eat their food when they get it to go? Sure, you could use chopsticks for oriental food, but what about everything else?

This is really stupid.

9 posted on 07/08/2008 6:10:46 AM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: NavyCanDo
Is the 20 cents a deposit or a fee?
If it is a deposit, I will send people in the area lots of both types.
10 posted on 07/08/2008 6:11:15 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: alicewonders

“How will people eat their food when they get it to go?”...

This is what the libs want you to do....go back to the stone age and start eating with your fingers again...


11 posted on 07/08/2008 6:12:57 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NavyCanDo

I am now completely convinced that large amounts of overly sweetened coffee, grunge music and long periods of cloudy skies will actually fry one’s brain into mush...............


12 posted on 07/08/2008 6:13:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Red Badger

Seattle is whack left ground zero......


13 posted on 07/08/2008 6:14:43 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Red Badger

long periods of cloudy skies will actually fry one’s brain into mush...............

You bet!.....case in point, Patty Murray.


14 posted on 07/08/2008 6:15:52 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: MinuteGal

We, here at work, do business with the US and other governments. Styrofoam peanuts are verboten for shipping stuff to them. A new type of “packing material” is this stuff that is just like fluffy Cheetos except there is no cheese powder on it, so it’s white. You can actually eat them, but they are not tasty, just bland..............


15 posted on 07/08/2008 6:17:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: alicewonders

$5.71 plus 5% tax = $6.00 even. Just a hunch.


16 posted on 07/08/2008 6:19:08 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: NavyCanDo

I have a question. What do they actually ship styrofoam in?


17 posted on 07/08/2008 6:19:22 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: SoothingDave

Ok. I get it. I’ve just never seen that anywhere else.


18 posted on 07/08/2008 6:20:15 AM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I would not mind paying 20 cents for a plastic bag to put around Nickels head.....

I'd pay $20 to put a plastic bag over Nickels head...

19 posted on 07/08/2008 6:20:48 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Red Badger
You can actually eat them, but they are not tasty, just bland..............

Please, God, tell me they're not made from corn or rice, two foodstuffs the price of which are going through the roof...the poor starve so we rich can be environmentally correct.

If we don't eat the used ones, we can at least feed them to livestock or burn them to heat our homes.

20 posted on 07/08/2008 6:23:12 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Can we just go back to the middle ages and bring our own daggers to McDonalds so we can pick up our food by stabbing it?


21 posted on 07/08/2008 6:23:25 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: NavyCanDo

The 20 cent fee is just step one. Once they can get away with that, an outright ban is just a vote away.


22 posted on 07/08/2008 6:23:50 AM PDT by BipolarBob (My eco-electric car is backed up by Soylent Green.)
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To: alicewonders
That's weird pricing. Aside from that, does that mean that plastic forks and spoons will also be banned? How will people eat their food when they get it to go?

Have you ever watched a baby learning to eat regular food? Do as they are inclined to do. Dip right into the mashed potatoes with your fingers, Wipe your hands on whatever you are wearing and run your fingers through your hair to clean them.

23 posted on 07/08/2008 6:24:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: E. Cartman

Corn starch, I think.

Years back, they made biodegradable plastic bags out of corn starch.

Maybe still do.


24 posted on 07/08/2008 6:25:24 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: NavyCanDo
Can we give Seattle to Russia?

Nah, on second thought forget it. Putin isn't that dumb.

25 posted on 07/08/2008 6:25:50 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Salamander

Can we just go back to the middle ages and bring our own daggers to McDonalds so we can pick up our food by stabbing it?

Liberals would ban daggers.....fingers only!


26 posted on 07/08/2008 6:26:52 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Graybeard58

The really young babies don’t even use their hands. They just fall forward into their plate and eat like a puppy.


27 posted on 07/08/2008 6:28:16 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: NavyCanDo
She was shocked, however, to hear the ban would extend to plastics, right down to each chili-sauce container and fork.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

28 posted on 07/08/2008 6:28:47 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: E. Cartman

Yes, they are made just like the Cheetos you eat from Frito-Lay!.....................

http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1564&desc=Cornstarch+Biodegradable


29 posted on 07/08/2008 6:29:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: NavyCanDo
"Even if it's costly,"

In other words, too bad if you're not rich like us.

30 posted on 07/08/2008 6:29:52 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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31 posted on 07/08/2008 6:30:43 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NavyCanDo
consumers and businesses need to do right by the environment.

And those biodegradable containers would be primarily made out of cellulose products.

There go the trees.

These environ-mental whackos should be required to pay for impact studies. They failed to do that when the switch was made from cellulose -product containers (aka, cardboard) to styrofoam, from paper bags to plastic bag.

[Note how that, over time, we seem to go full cycle with all these trends and fads.]

[Wonder how long it will be before those mandated curly green fluorescent lightbulbs are discovered to be hazardous and must be replaced?]
32 posted on 07/08/2008 6:30:57 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: NavyCanDo

UGH... I don’t know how much more libtardism I can stand..


33 posted on 07/08/2008 6:31:22 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Condor51

Can we give Seattle to Russia?

Russia already has it. Just north of Seattle in wonderful, colorful Fremont is a thirty foot high cast iron or bronze statue of mass muderer Vladimir Lenin.....


34 posted on 07/08/2008 6:32:34 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Liberals would ban daggers.....fingers only!

You can still kill with fingers...those too will be banned in time...

When fingers are banned, only outlaws will have fingers!

35 posted on 07/08/2008 6:33:55 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Condor51

Can we give Seattle to Russia?

Just google “Lenin in Fremont”.....


36 posted on 07/08/2008 6:34:33 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: E. Cartman

When fingers are banned, only outlaws will have fingers!

You bet!....Liberalism to its logical conclusion.


37 posted on 07/08/2008 6:36:26 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: BipolarBob
The 20 cent fee is just step one. Once they can get away with that, an outright ban is just a vote away.

I dunno. How bad does the city need the money?

38 posted on 07/08/2008 6:37:23 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: E. Cartman

http://www.biobagusa.com/

http://puffystufftn.com/about.html

http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1564


39 posted on 07/08/2008 6:38:41 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: NavyCanDo

Okay... so when I empty my shredder, what do I put the contents in? Or do I just sprinkle it in my recycling bin?


40 posted on 07/08/2008 6:39:23 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Liberals are sissies.


41 posted on 07/08/2008 6:39:36 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: NavyCanDo

Here’s the ugly truth:
Foam packaging is very clean and enviornmentally “friendly” to manufacture-polystyrene is a petroleum (natural gas)derivative. It does not break down in land fills-contrary to the public’s misconception not breaking down in a land fill is a GOOD THING.
McDonalds went from foam clam shells to (coated) paper packaging in the late 80’s (George Bush had a white house ceremony to commemorate the event).
The paper that is used to package food-
IS BLEACHED (dioxins in water supply)
IS COATED (so it does not break down in land fills)
IS NOT made from recycled paper-it can not be recycled andused for direct contact with food.
Coated paper (which has replaced polystyrene) is WORSE for the enviorment than foam. AND IT TAKE MORE ENERGY TO MAKE PAPER packaging than foam.


42 posted on 07/08/2008 6:39:41 AM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

From Wikepedia.....

Fremont is considered a quirky artistic community, and like other statues in the neighborhood (such as Waiting for the Interurban), the Lenin statue is often the victim of various artistic projects, endorsed or not. A glowing red star and sometimes Christmas lights have been added to the statue for Christmas since 2004. For the 2004 Solstice Parade, the statue was made to look like John Lennon. During Gay Pride Week, the statue is dressed in drag. Other appropriations of the statue have included painting it as a clown.


43 posted on 07/08/2008 6:40:16 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: dfwgator
I have a question. What do they actually ship styrofoam in?

The styrofome peanuts comes in huge plastic bags which are a real mess to empty into a hopper.

44 posted on 07/08/2008 6:43:22 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: TomGuy

I think that they should just throw your burrito and french fires unwrapped and naked into your open car window, from now on.

At sit-down restaurants, they would just slide the food onto your table.

[this is going to present a problem if you happen to order a soda too, though]


45 posted on 07/08/2008 6:44:13 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: E. Cartman

“Please, God, tell me they’re not made from corn or rice”

I know Red Badger is one righteous dude but I *don’t* think he’s God....:)

[or....~is~ he??]


46 posted on 07/08/2008 6:46:17 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: BipolarBob
"I’m bi-sackual but it’s not my fault, I was born that way."

Not me--I only use plastic (but does that make me hetero-sackual or homo-sackual)??

47 posted on 07/08/2008 6:46:34 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: NavyCanDo

Ban Seatle


48 posted on 07/08/2008 6:47:27 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: mrmargaritaville

Like milk bottles, if you set them on fire they pretty much vanish entirely.

So what’s the problem, here?......:))


49 posted on 07/08/2008 6:48:58 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: BipolarBob
“The 20 cent fee is just step one. Once they can get away with that, an outright ban is just a vote away.”

What! vote away a 20 cent per bag fee? I am trying to imagine how many bags a year shoppers take away from merchants in Seattle each year. With a population of nearly 600,000 and then add all the visitors, and the numbers of shopping bags must be astronomical. Now imagine the city getting a 20 cent fee for each bag. WOW! what a cash cow. No wonder they are so eager to pass this into law.

50 posted on 07/08/2008 6:49:23 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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