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Want Some Torture With Your Peanuts? (Airline travel ID bracelet)
Washington Times aviation security blog ^ | July 1, 2008 | P. Jeffrey Black and Jeffrey Denning

Posted on 07/07/2008 10:55:14 AM PDT by Fizzie

Just when you thought you’ve heard it all...

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers.

This bracelet would:

• take the place of an airline boarding pass

• contain personal information about the traveler

• be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage

• shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

excerpt...balance of story here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlines; airlinesecurity; bracelet; fascism; homelandsecurity; taserbracelet; tsa
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The fact that an official at the Department of Homeland Security expressed interest in a proposal is frightening.
1 posted on 07/07/2008 10:55:14 AM PDT by Fizzie
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To: Fizzie

I didn’t have a huge problem with it until I got to the taser part.


2 posted on 07/07/2008 10:57:30 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Fizzie

Wasn’t this like the proposal of the ficticous immigration guy from “The Coneheads”??? IIRC the blew up if the person tried to cross the border again....Does this one Blow off your arm if you argue with the TSA????


3 posted on 07/07/2008 10:57:59 AM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: Fizzie

The last two items could be useful for Bob Filner D. San Diego,, who had trouble getting his luggage, and I think the ability to stun a passenger would of come in handy when he was shoving the baggage handler....


4 posted on 07/07/2008 10:58:39 AM PDT by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: Fizzie
shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

Question... who controls the button?

Suppose there was a brat sitting behind me that keeps kicking my seat and the parent does nothing... can I "shock" Mom or Dad?

5 posted on 07/07/2008 10:59:32 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Fizzie
Not if "frightening" has any connotation of "unexpected." He's a security bureaucrat. Environmental bureaucrats want to subvert liberty to enhance their power and secondarily to protect the environment, economic bureaucrats want to subvert liberty to enhance their power and secondarily for the sake of the economy, security bureaucrats want to subvert liberty for the sake of their power and secondarily to enhance security.

This is how it is going to be for the foreseeable future.

6 posted on 07/07/2008 10:59:48 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Fizzie

I don’t fly unless there is absolutely no way to avoid it.

If we don’t want terrorism, then face the facts about who conducts terrorism most of the time, and do something about that.

It’s like speed bumps on our roads. If people are speeding, write tickets. If kids are being hit in the street, then teach them to look both ways.

Don’t punish 100% of the public, because you refuse to address the real problems caused by a very few people.


7 posted on 07/07/2008 11:00:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I didn’t have a huge problem with it until I got to the taser part.

Hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about? That's what I hear, anyway.
8 posted on 07/07/2008 11:01:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Fizzie

And people are going to run right out and buy tickets to Disney World for the whole family with this sort of nonsense in place?

Bye bye, airlines.


9 posted on 07/07/2008 11:01:39 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: Fizzie

And people are going to run right out and buy tickets to Disney World for the whole family with this sort of nonsense in place?

Bye bye, airlines.


10 posted on 07/07/2008 11:01:46 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: Fizzie

Deadlock collars coming soon?


11 posted on 07/07/2008 11:01:54 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Fizzie
If you don't endorse this, it means you want the Terrists to win!

This is the sort of security which secures our freedumbs!

Plus, unless you are an EvilDoer™ (or a drugged out liberaltarian loserdopian), what do you have to worry about?

12 posted on 07/07/2008 11:03:31 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Fizzie
And of course all electro-mechanical devices are 100% fail proof. So what if a person happens to be a heart patient with an artificial heart and some nefarious electron triggers the device. Surely a few complementary tickets to the next of kin will set things straight, right?
13 posted on 07/07/2008 11:03:38 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Fizzie

If I can have Shana as my Drill Thrall Flight Attendant, I'm all for it!

14 posted on 07/07/2008 11:03:38 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Fizzie

All this will do is destroy our country’s airlines by discouraging even more people from using them.


15 posted on 07/07/2008 11:03:47 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Steely Tom
Bye bye, airlines.

They are doing a good job on their own with any help.

16 posted on 07/07/2008 11:03:49 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Fizzie

The DHS apparently wants to give us a just cause for a revolution.


17 posted on 07/07/2008 11:05:15 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("I will stand with the Muslims" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Fizzie
• shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

Well, it is unlikely to be tight enough to cut off circulation, so there will be room to shove something between it and the skin. Just shove an insulating sheet there, maybe with a surface between the contacts simulating skin's electrical resistance so the device can't detect the change.

18 posted on 07/07/2008 11:05:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: Fizzie
Want Some Torture With Your Peanuts?

What peanuts? ;)

19 posted on 07/07/2008 11:07:10 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: gridlock

I bet 200 quatloo that this bracelet never makes it into production ....


20 posted on 07/07/2008 11:08:06 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: DoughtyOne
If we don’t want terrorism, then face the facts about who conducts terrorism most of the time, and do something about that.

Given the iron grip that political correctness has on this country, there is no chance of that happening until we suffer a cataclysmic loss of American life.

MM (in TX)

21 posted on 07/07/2008 11:08:31 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Fizzie

We can trust our government officials and employees of our free enterprise system to use this device effectively to protect us all from terrorists. I think the only ones who would object to this are terrorists, their fellow travelers and other criminals and evil doers. If you don’t do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.


22 posted on 07/07/2008 11:08:44 AM PDT by FFranco
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I flew today for the first time in about a year and it was a miserable experience. If we were to sit down and try to deliberately create a system to treat human beings in the most bizarre unhuman fashion we could not come up with a system any more miserable than what we have now. I HAD to fly today for work reasons. If I had had more advance time, I would have driven. I absolutely despise flying. I loathe it. Flying for pleasure? That is an oxymoron.


23 posted on 07/07/2008 11:09:49 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Fizzie

By 2050 the slogan will be...”Tazelets: they’re not just for fliers anymore!”
By 2055, they’ll be mandatory implants.

Big Brother won’t just watch you.


24 posted on 07/07/2008 11:09:50 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: John123
Question... who controls the button?
Anyone with a uhf remote from an old tv...lol
25 posted on 07/07/2008 11:10:17 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Fizzie
Lovely ... just had a conversation with someone about how the American passenger is now the front line defense and no group of terrorists is safe from their wrath. Now TSA proposes to make it easy for the terrorists to take the passengers out of play with the push of a button.

NO NO NO

That will be the death of air travel.

26 posted on 07/07/2008 11:11:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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To: PeterFinn

don’t we have enough cause already? wake up people. logans run, next we will line up when it is time to report.


27 posted on 07/07/2008 11:11:59 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: MississippiMan

Well as we have seen, even that won’t work.

I am very troubled by our leaders’ inability to face up to their duty.


28 posted on 07/07/2008 11:12:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ditto to that post!!


29 posted on 07/07/2008 11:12:38 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Fizzie

Just cut it off with a pocket knife once you’ve boarded the plane. Oh wait...........never mind.


30 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:03 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

What if they hit the wrong button and zap an innocent passenger?


31 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:04 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Fizzie
This is the kind of stuff that Josef Stalin only dreamed about.

The fact that AMERICANS are being subject to such totalitarianism is a nightmare come true.

I have no interest in flying as it is, but this solidifies my theory that only a fool would fly under such Stalinist circumstances.

32 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:20 AM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: freekitty

We are suppose to accept whoever is doing the zapping?


33 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:38 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

Zzzzzzzackly.


34 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:50 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Fizzie

The day that law goes into effect is the day I quit flying.


35 posted on 07/07/2008 11:14:27 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Fizzie

If he works in the DC area he might well live not too far away. Maybe he would like to try this thing out - on himself of course - for several hours a day for a couple of weeks. I have plenty of time and would be quite willing to stop by each morning to do my shift.


36 posted on 07/07/2008 11:14:46 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: freekitty
What if they hit the wrong button and zap an innocent passenger?

You think they're going to waste a lot of time figuring out which passenger? If things get a little out-of-hand, they'll just hit the Big Red Button and shock the whole plane...

37 posted on 07/07/2008 11:15:50 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Such overbearing security for the airplanes yet a few terrorists could walk up to the ticket counters with suitcase bombs and create a tragedy.


38 posted on 07/07/2008 11:16:13 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Fizzie
Franky, I only fly twice a year for business, and my vacation flights have already gone to zero, from once or twice a year.

Flying is a sufficient pain already, if this happens, my business flights will go to zero as well.

This is bu77541t

39 posted on 07/07/2008 11:16:51 AM PDT by garyb
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To: DoughtyOne

Excellent comment. I agree.

I hate speed bumps. I could see having them in school zones if they could be raised during just the time when kids were coming and going to school, but not for the other 22 hours or so a day and summer, etc.

And why don’t the “greenies” and car haters ever figure out how much more pollution is caused and gas used by all the slowing and speeding up for these traffic control devices.

And further more,....why isn’t there MORE FREE PARKING to keep cars stopped instead of driving around in circles looking for parking? How about changing most stop signs in empty neighborhoods to slow and yield signs. How about every stop light being computer controlled so you don’t have to stop if there is no approaching traffic?

How about everybody becoming responsible for their own life and behavior? Too complicated?

And you’re right about punishing the majority because of just a few.

I’m sick of all the whining self appointed “victims” running our society.

So there!


40 posted on 07/07/2008 11:16:58 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Good grief! But, whatever you do, do NOT engage in passenger profiling.


41 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:06 AM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: Fizzie

Everybody knows that explosive neck collars work much better. That or high voltage stainless steel butt plugs.

“Coffee, tea, or YAAAARRRRGGHGGHH!!!”


42 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: freekitty
What if they hit the wrong button and zap an innocent passenger?

Better safe than sorry! For an added layer of security, they could randomly taze 5-10 people per flight and perform a cavity search while they are incapacitated. No inconvenience is too great for the security of the Motherland.

43 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:20 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Fizzie

You mean you can still get peanuts on flights?


44 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:26 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: Fizzie
"A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security"

Someone needs to name names. Does it really matter whether it is a foreign or a domestic oppressor anyway? This pantload needs to be fired for either being totally incompetent or negligent towards the Constitution he swore an oath to protect.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin

45 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:26 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Fizzie; Gabz; traviskicks

Pingeroo!


46 posted on 07/07/2008 11:17:42 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Natural Law

Wrong quote. Why do you guys keep persisting in using the “modified” version.


47 posted on 07/07/2008 11:18:57 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Steely Tom

If those become a part of standard practice, I would never fly with children. This may be the final straw. I would certainly hope so.

How do you know which person to shock? Are passengers going to be required to wear a great big numbers?

This would be pure nonsense if the government hadn’t already turned airport terminals and aircraft into little Eastern Block style oasises from the 1960s.

I’m just shocked we haven’t seen the barbed wire yet.


48 posted on 07/07/2008 11:19:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: gridlock
If I can have Shana as my Drill Thrall Flight Attendant,

It would be a very boring flight. Angelique Pettyjohn, the actress who played Shana passed away on 14 February 1992, of cancer. If she was alive, she'd be 65 years old.

49 posted on 07/07/2008 11:19:18 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Fizzie

Air travel was nice for a few years but those memories are fading fast.


50 posted on 07/07/2008 11:19:58 AM PDT by Portcall24
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