It has a big cab on top and a huge bucket. Tires instead of tracks. Big friggin deal.
Israeli loader with terrorists blood
Bull dozer
Posted on 07/06/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by ml/nj
On Wed. July 2, 2008, an Arab started trying to kill people on a very packed busy street in Jerusalem with his work vehicle, a caterpillar type of huge bulldozer. He just drove it onto the adjacent packed street and started trying to crush cars. One of the first cars he attacked was ours.
In our car were my husband in the front passenger seat, me the driver, and 3 of our girls in the back; we were on our way to meet visiting friends.
As we drove toward the place, we were on the packed street called Sarei Yisrael, when suddenly, several workmen suddenly ran into the street gesturing vehemently that we should clear out. This was really impossible with the very packed traffic! And anyway, just behind them came a huge bulldozer at an impossible-seeming speed. In the first seconds as he bashed into a car to the left of us, it was not entirely clear whether the vehicle or driver was out of control. But then after flattening car #1, he crushed a second car next to us, and turned his attention to us, as I was already trying to reverse our car, as the only direction possible to attempt to distance ourselves from him, hoping that the drivers behind me would also back up.
So there we were stuck in our car, staring into the face of this man determined to kill us. He was around 30, looked somewhat overweight, with a fixed, purposeful look on his face, but unbelievably was using his bulldozer as a deadly weapon. I still feel how bizarre this was - a bulldozer! I have read since then, that later he was screaming Allah is great, but at the moment he was staring at us, determined to crash into us next, he was unsmiling and silent, with only what I thought was a look of determination and concentration on his face.
He crashed his dozer into the front of our car 2 or 3 times after having successfully crushing the 2 near us with one blow each. Those 2 other cars I saw which he attacked before us were pancaked but amazingly the drivers were able to escape since he couldn't crush the drivers' sides quickly enough and noone else was in those cars. One driver was the woman whom he had diabolically motioned to proceed and then bashed into her car and as she dashed out of her destroyed car he tried to run her down! A second vehicle, a taxicab was flattened next. The 2 drivers both escaped from their cars virtually unscathed. The woman who was dressed unreligiously and we stayed together into the hospital - she declared that God must exist here after all. At any event, within seconds we were attacked.
We were immobilized in our car by his repeated violent crashing into us. Was he frustrated that our car didn't collapse with his first blow like the first 2 and yet it was full of people to kill? Over the next period of what was probably really only a minute or so, he bashed the front of our car repeatedly and bashed our roof with the shovel at least once, all to no avail!!!. Unlike the 2 other cars he had attacked first, our car would not crush. He then drove ONTO the roof of our car trying to crush the 5 of us in the car with the full weight of the dozer. This is truly a miracle - our inexpensive Mazda 5 minivan still did NOT collapse. The sides of the frame were so distorted that we could barely open only 1 door, the front of the car was crushed, and the front window in smithereens but the roof only a little caved in! I was the driver and as the bulldozer rammed us, I put the car into reverse - no other direction to go. His ramming pushed the car back against the one behind me but at least that movement absorbed some of his impact that might otherwise have further crushed the car with us in it.
Since I was unable to do anything at the moments of his attacking us, I don't think now that my thoughts were really prayer. They consisted of just a realization that when we can do nothing, then everything is in HaShem's hands. We couldn't try to get out until he stopped ramming our car. Then as we tried to open the doors, we discovered that the front passenger door was the only one that could be opened by my husband, but 1 of my kids had her window completely open so we all got out in the 2 ways quickly. We wondered whether we should have tried to escape while he was still attacking the car but he had already tried to crush another driver as she got out of her car [his first intended victim] and later we were told that he had a pistol which he used to try to kill others. It was hard to get out as fast as maybe we needed to because we were trembling so much. It took me a few minutes to be sure my legs wouldn't buckle under me if I tried to stand up. One of my kids has a bruised arm but it is a miracle that we were otherwise unscathed. Is this a recommendation for the Mazda 5? I don't know, our air bags NEVER opened :-) But they would not have helped us and the sturdiness of the frame did! Does Mazda design the minivan 5 to withstand a dozer driving into and over it? My brilliant husband had picked that car as the safest and best model for the money for us. We walked away from the attack!
We feel so glad to be alive. After his rampage including our car, he continued on to other cars, pedestrians, and at least 1 full bus behind, having finally given up trying to destroy us in our car. After driving over us, he apparently killed a new mother and rammed at least 1 bus effectively and turned it onto its side. 3 people were killed before a policeman and I think a soldier were able to jump into the dozer's cab and grapple with him. I think that is when he started shooting. Another man grabbed the gun of the policeman fighting the Arab [because he couldn't take his hands off him to reach his own pistol] and shot him and killed him.
For what it is worth, the perp was a 30 year old Arab, a citizen of Israel, had a well paid job with good government benefits, lived in his own house, and was married with children.
So we've received lectures about how we are going to have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. One person told us that we had to recount our ordeal at least 100 times in the first day to avoid PTSD. Another told us to immediately get psych counselling from an expert. So far we are all too numb to do more than go through our days on auto-pilot. My kids were called by everyone in their school, kids and teachers, by now I think they have retold their experience 100 times. Most of our friends and neighbors have found out we were at the terror scene and called us too. I broke out some chocolate for the kids that I usually save for Shabbat and the kids put on a funny movie. One of the girls' friends had come over but didn't inform her mom who finally calmed down when she tracked her down to our home.
What has so far been the most effective means of staving off PTSD is our neighbor Miriam's chocolate chip cookies. She brought over a freshly baked batch. We have always thought they are probably the best in the world even when one isn't trying to fend off PTSD. We know that we have to start counselling ASAP but are still too numb to initiate it yet.
Thursday is the first day of the new month, and with the Jewish calendar, also the new moon, a traditional holiday especially for women, so we will all be praying especially thankfully. We went to pray at the Wall. I have already started wondering why G-d made a miracle for us so that our inexpensive car somehow withstood the terrorist's REPEATED blows while other cars were flattened at once [that would have killed all 5 of us]. We happened to have donated generously over the past year to Victims of Terror, but among the killed was a dedicated teacher of the blind and a warm wonderful early childhood teacher who had recently had a baby after years of fertility treatments. I think that our past mitzvot cannot measure up to this miracle saving our lives. HaShem clearly needs us to still do things - mitzvot here so we are needed to live.
Rochelle Eissenstat, Beit Shemesh
ML/NJ
So yu pulled out your handgun and blasted him right?
ML/NJ
ML/NJ
This poor thing needs a brain transplant.
Coming to a city near you if Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the Liberal morons in DC continue their policy of appeasement.
It was NOT a bulldozer. Most folks could run away from a bulldozer.
She sounds pretty healthy to me.
Wouldn’t it be neat if this person knew it was a front end loader and all the journalists didn’t. Unfortunately, Rochelle is as ignorant as all the jpournalists when it comes to heavy equipment.
If it was at bulldozer speed birds would have built nests on murderer long before he could have hurt anyone.Front end loaders are much faster.
ML/NJ
I suppose you have some different interpretation of the Constitution given that you can use the wrong word as you please.
So, let's start with "infringed".
I can't see the similarity. Those folks are WRONG. Happens all the time, especially with 'rats (think "assault gun", "extremist" "VRWC", etc.).
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It has a big cab on top and a huge bucket. Tires instead of tracks. Big friggin deal.
Israeli loader with terrorists blood
Bull dozer
This reads like an ad for Mazda. And againt Islam.
Two police officers jumped up on the bumper of the FEL and were attempting to ARREST the terrorist without harming him (during which time he managed to crush another victim to death), when an 18-year-old kid, just recruited into the army, jumped up alongside the LEO, unholstered his handgun, and douple-tapped the perp.
It is a big deal as it is a difference of kind rather than degree. If they don't know the difference, give it a more generic name: "large construction vehicle", etc.
Sexist...
Makes me want one.
Front end loader, Roger. But I’ve seen bigger ones than that. I can’t imagine anyone trying to jump on a moving D-7, D-8 or D-9. It could have been a lot worse.
This woman is a genius at product placement. She'll have advertisers lining up at her door.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/D9R_rpg-armor06.jpg/260px-D9R_rpg-armor06.jpg
She should eat the chocolate chip cookies and send the PTSD counselors packing.
I would like some of those cookies when I look at the state poll numbers
> I can see how many would consider it a bull dozer.<
Front end loaders are used for loading dump trucks and dozers are used to cut and push dirt at ground level. Front end loaders have a bucket tool on the front end that facilitates the loading by lifting the material high in the air. Yes, there is tracked loaders, similar to bulldozers but they too have this one difference. A bucket tool on the front end, for lifting. Not a blade, for cutting.
Perhaps if someone had no idea what the differences are I too can see how they would consider a front end loader a bull dozer. The rubber tires should be an excellant clue though. That’s something that no bulldozer has.
Something just occurred to me. Are you a journalist?
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You guys are picking the wrong fight here IMHO
. The article is clearly the point of view of a mother who was attacked with her children, not a journalists trying to skew the truth .
Sometimes genius hopefully you will see you have to actually read the article before you start showing everyone your level of stupidity by blubbering about something you know nothing about.
You are embarrassing yourself and FR to anyone who is reading your continued childish rants.
I agree it could have been much worse but there arent many larger, in fact the larger ones are actually dozers with a bucket! I cant imagine jumping on the tracks of a d8 and up!
> in fact the larger ones are actually dozers with a bucket!<
Would you be good enough to post a picture or the url of one of these?
Now...if you cant see how a woman with no exposure to this would confuse it with the rubber tired one with the same size bucket then you;ve lost the respect I was showing you.
Uhmm www.Caterpiller.com http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=180682&x=7 “wheeled dozer”.
McCain=Hussein in your world cause I say so?. You keep it up. Up is down.
It would seem that the business end governs the naming. What the woman saw was a loader not a dozer. Quit digging while you're not yet buried.
A common misconception.
A D9 in top gear can do more than 40 MPH
Chinese imitation bulldozer.......
In 31 you said, “> in fact the larger ones are actually dozers with a bucket!<”. Now, a dozer is not a loader. Dozers push the dirt. The largest ones cannot lift their blade 5 feet off the ground. A Wheel Dozer is a dozer. They have blades on the front, not buckets.
Only loaders have buckets. It doesn't matter if it is a tracked or a wheeled machine. They also have the ability to lift the bucket high in the air to load dump trucks.
Often, a tracked loader will have a 4-in-1 Bucket which allows usage as a lifting device for picking up poles or long oversized objects.
I can not imagine. Thank you for the ping. So nice that there will not be a trial. Justice was served.
You’re correct. 46.3 liters of black smokin’ Diesel would be fun to try. I liked the video of the office trailer getting bailed between two of the machines.
Im impressed with your knowledge of construction equipment. The way you guys have dissected this incident reminds me of watergate. /snort
Snorting can lead to brain damage.
Who gives a shit whether it was a bulldozer? What difference does it make except to you? How in the world is that worthy of you argueing about the misconception by the victims? Im not digging a hole, Im point blank showing you how one looks like the other to a layman and your looking foolish. The high cab, the color, both very powerful, made by the same company on and on. Find something important to argue about. Hell even Caterpillar calls rubber tired bulldozers “wheeeled dozers”. They definitely look like the a big loader. I might could see your pissing about the difference in a backhoe/front end loader and a dozer but not her describing that big loader with a dozer.
Asked and answered.
ML/NJ
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