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UK: Golf 'ruining our green and pleasant land'
The Telegraph ^ | 7/6/2008 | Patrick Sawyer

Posted on 07/05/2008 4:38:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The spread of golf courses threatens Britain's traditional landscapes, a report from the leading conservation authority will warn this week.

The sport's growing popularity has led to dozens of important parks being turned into 18-hole courses, leading to what English Heritage claims is "irreversible damage to the historic environment".


Grounds for concern: Rudding Park as it used to be before it was converted into a golf course

The warning comes as the organisation prepares to launch the first comprehensive register of the country's neglected historic treasures this week.

Its "Heritage at Risk" report will identify listed buildings, monuments, churches, battlefields and even shipwrecks that it believes are in jeopardy, and discuss what can be done to preserve them.

The survey, the first document of its kind to include parks, gardens and landscapes, will warn that golf courses are frequently being imposed on the landscape in an "alien and insensitive" way.

English Heritage found that:

** 116 historically important parks in the South East alone have been converted into golf courses since the 1980s
** Golf course developments are damaging scheduled monuments, archaeological remains and the setting of listed buildings
** The gardens and landscape of stately homes and country houses are particularly at risk.

The warning comes amid the row over a plan by the American billionaire Donald Trump to build a £1 billion golf resort on one of the most unspoilt stretches of Scottish coastline. This are the subject of a planning inquiry.

English Heritage says that some settings can never be suited to the intensive building and landscaping necessary to build fairways, tees, bunkers and clubhouses.

Among the examples given is Rudding Park, near Harrogate. The park and gardens were created in 1788, when Lord Loughborough commissioned Humphry Repton to

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: environment; golf

1 posted on 07/05/2008 4:38:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Sad—but better building golf courses on historic land than “housing estates” (what the British call public housing).


2 posted on 07/05/2008 4:42:28 PM PDT by ottbmare
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To: ottbmare
Sort of precious, considering they are worried about basically landscaped gardens and estates of various muckymucks and not pristine wilderness.
3 posted on 07/05/2008 4:49:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bruinbirdman

I recall reading where a Scottish King back around 1600 banned Golf because the men were wasting their time playing it instead of training for war.


4 posted on 07/05/2008 4:51:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: bruinbirdman

Protect them Bugs, they may be next...

5 posted on 07/05/2008 4:53:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bruinbirdman

I didn’t realize Moslems played golf that much.


6 posted on 07/05/2008 5:12:25 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: bruinbirdman
STHU and tee up! The Brits love their "heritage" although they will soon lose it to the Muzzies who already own most of the land and buildings there.

I once stayed in a nice hotel in London and soon found I was one of a few "heretics" in the place. The hotel was owned by very wealthy Kuwaitis. Most residents were muzzies too and and room service meant they would get a daily cart load of barbecued chicken delivered to the females of the tribe. The ladies' outings were to Harrods and other $$$ posh places and they went in a parade of Rolls Royce limos. The young guys drove Ferraris and they all gave me my quota of dirty looks.

Shortly after, we saved Kuwait from the nasty Saddam. Go figure! Gee, I wonder if Kuwait is now showing their gratitude by sending us some cheaper oil? The media and the RATs all told us so. Naaaahhhhh! I thought that the Iraq war was all about oil. If so, where's our cut?

7 posted on 07/05/2008 5:17:22 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: bruinbirdman

Was it Mark Twain, who said,
“Golf is the one thing, which can ruin a good, long walk.” ?

Okay, I forgot where I was going with that quote. Sorry.


8 posted on 07/05/2008 5:23:16 PM PDT by gourmand
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To: bruinbirdman

$65 for round of golf or a tank full of gas...hmmm......

sorry, my golfing days are just about over.

It is a sport for the rich anymore.


9 posted on 07/05/2008 5:34:45 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ve been advocating for years now that our cemeteries get converted into golf courses. I’ve always felt that cemeteries are a waste of space and most cemeteries would make excellent golf courses as they already have those little narrow strips of road that are perfect for golf carts. Just remove all those unsightly gravestones, plant some grass seed and viola! Instant golf course.


10 posted on 07/05/2008 5:36:41 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 29 days away from outliving Vicki Sue Robinson)
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To: ottbmare

Taking property that was paid for and belonged to the public and giving it away to a private developer is the modus operandi of the internationalists whose specialty is looting domestic economy and infrastructure from the public. They come in and corrupt local officials who then forsake the law and ethics to provide them with the properties they are seeking.

If it is a public/ private partnership to develop these properties, well then that is unabashed fascism at work.

Let’s not defend these crooks and their corruption, let’s put them in jail instead, eh?


11 posted on 07/05/2008 5:47:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: SamAdams76
I’ve always felt that cemeteries are a waste of space

Although they are deeply important to the vast majority of the people, and for the study of the history of people. So live and let live, so to speak. Don't try to force Christian people and townspeople who created these cemetaries to give up something so human and so important.


12 posted on 07/05/2008 5:51:22 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Taking property that was paid for and belonged to the public and giving it away to a private developer is the modus operandi of the internationalists whose specialty is looting domestic economy and infrastructure from the public.

Agreed, but is that what is happening here? I had rather formed the impression that this trend was the responsibility of people who owned large tracts of land, could not get subdivisions and other developments built on it, and did not want to pay taxes on what was basically just a lot of decorative grass, so they decided to make the big house into a hotel or club. Am I wrong? I have seen this happen quite often in the UK.

13 posted on 07/05/2008 7:11:16 PM PDT by ottbmare
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To: bruinbirdman

“Carl, I want you to kill all the gophers on the golf course!”
“Correct me if I’m wrong, Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they’ll lock me up and throw away the key.”
“Not golfers, you great git! Gophers! The little brown, furry rodents!”
“We can do that. We don’t even need a reason.”
“Aye! Well do it, man!”
“OK, but why don’t we do the same thing, but with gophers?—It’s not my fault nobody can understand you.”


14 posted on 07/05/2008 7:33:29 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: bruinbirdman
I swear the British government just wants to destroy everything.

Tax the old families until they can't afford to keep their historic properties. The problem with "soak the rich" is that old country houses immediately pass out of private ownership. Either that, or they're razed to avoid paying taxes.

John Harris was discovering abandoned country houses all over Britain as early as the 40s. People just walked away.

The few that survived were taken over by the government or purchased to turn into tourist attractions. (There was one enterprising soul, the Duke of Bedford, who turned his own mansion into a tourist attraction, complete with safari park and lord knows what else. But he kept it. He must be dead now, and I have no idea what happened to the ownership of the place.)

NOW they're complaining about "spoiling" the estates, when the government did more to destroy them than any private owner could.

The only way you could make a place like Rudding Park pay enough to keep it up would be by turning into something -- and a golf course with its expanses of green lawn is NOT that far off a Repton landscape (he liked the open views with clumps of trees).

15 posted on 07/05/2008 7:37:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: gourmand

“Golf is a good walk spoiled,” I believe, is the quote.

I kind of agree with him. I remember the complaints about the Japanese building a bunch of golf courses in Hawaii too.


16 posted on 07/05/2008 8:10:59 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: bruinbirdman
The spread of golf courses threatens Britain's traditional landscapes, a report from the leading conservation authority will warn this week.

Britain will need that land for all the new mosques.

17 posted on 07/05/2008 8:47:57 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama's idea of trickle-down economics is to piss on business.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I love chasing that little white ball around a well landscaped tract of land. Pure serenity to me. I played twice at the Hyatt in Cambridge, Md and 3 times in Telluride, Co just in the past twelve days. Life sucks doesn’t it...Telluride could use a little more oxygen though:-)


18 posted on 07/05/2008 10:12:01 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Skywalk

Right you are, sir. Much better and 100% more accurate. Thx.


19 posted on 07/05/2008 10:20:34 PM PDT by gourmand
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